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A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

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To: Jim Robinson

Is there ANY way that you can get this thread back on its topic?


461 posted on 10/25/2006 10:46:31 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
It was just a joke. :(

I am a libertarian, and in some people's opinion mightily damned. What do I get for being a retread?

462 posted on 10/25/2006 10:47:31 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: nopardons
You Got That Right!
463 posted on 10/25/2006 10:48:07 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Liberal Classic

Do you know what was on the page? Perhaps it was offensive, huh?


464 posted on 10/25/2006 10:48:51 PM PDT by Howlin (Why Won't Nancy Pelosi Let Louis Freeh Investigate the Page Scandal?)
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To: wyattearp; Texasforever

The evidence for ID is all around you and science itself depends on and uses it; it's the order and complexity of the universe.

There are plenty of cases in the world around us where order and complexity are known to be the direct result of intelligence; but nowhere can it be shown that order and complextiy can arise with out an intelligent source, or to put it another way, where the source is known and shown to be non-intelligent. The best science can do is state that they can't tell if there was intelligence or design behind the order and complexity.

To use nature itself, like snowflake or crystal formation, as evidence that order and complexity can arise from natural or non-intelligent sources, presupposes that there was no ID behind the universe to begin with and that's what you're trying to establish. You can't assume the conclusion to prove it.

If order and complexity are not evidence for intelligence or design, then science has nothing on which it can be based and there's no reson for anyone to consider that what goes on in science labe is either intelligent or designed, either.


465 posted on 10/25/2006 10:49:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Texasforever

Sorry, but sometimes people just don't get it, or don't want to, I was being as basic as possible in order to make it easy for you to understand, if it seemed condescending, I apologize.


466 posted on 10/25/2006 10:50:14 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: dread78645
> He said that to andysandmikesmom, for crying out loud.

>>OMG, he did?

Nope. It was to me.

I didn't think he cared. (wipes tear)

I'm sorry. And I'm sorry that I got that wrong. People get banned for no identifiable reason, and that... that... whatever he is, doesn't get so much as a time-out? Amazing. Sad, but amazing.

467 posted on 10/25/2006 10:50:22 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: Howlin
Do you know what was on the page?

Actually, yeah.

Perhaps it was offensive, huh?

No, nothing inappropriate for mixed company.

468 posted on 10/25/2006 10:51:10 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: nopardons

I think the author of this article has been smoking way too much crack. How's that for getting back to the actual topic?


469 posted on 10/25/2006 10:51:12 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Beagle8U
That's funny, but only because you were able to make it so.

This entire thread, IMO, is just a bandwidth wasting, senseless flame war, over a useless topic less than two weeks out from a VERY important election.

Thread hijacking has become disgusting and disturbing; not to mention rampant, lately.

470 posted on 10/25/2006 10:51:16 PM PDT by nopardons
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471 posted on 10/25/2006 10:52:31 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Liberal Classic
If it was a joke, it went over like a lead balloon and was neither funny nor obviously a "joke".

Are you a RETREAD? Are you confessing, right now, to being a RETREAD?

472 posted on 10/25/2006 10:54:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
What has been hijacked is this thread! Instead of it being about the article posted at the head of this thread, it is FR's Darwinists V. Creationists.

Take it up with JR. It is his forum, he can do with it as he pleases, and this was apparently his pleasure this evening.

473 posted on 10/25/2006 10:54:40 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: metmom
I am an agnostic all the way around on this issue. However my education and background make me very skeptical of a discipline that brooks no challenge in academia.
474 posted on 10/25/2006 10:54:47 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: nopardons
I tried several times to get it back on topic, no luck.
475 posted on 10/25/2006 10:54:54 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: Fiddlstix
THANKS! :-)
476 posted on 10/25/2006 10:55:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: SoldierDad
I think the author of the article is out of his teensy mind!

Many thanks for getting back to the thread topic. :-)

477 posted on 10/25/2006 10:57:26 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Are confessions made under duress valid? ;)


478 posted on 10/25/2006 10:57:43 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: wyattearp
I took it up with Jim...right here on this thread. Do, please, at least try to keep up.
479 posted on 10/25/2006 10:58:48 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: grey_whiskers
Wyatt, did it ever occur to you that living creatures are themselves open systems?

Yep, and it starts with the solar influence. Plants make sugars via photosynthesis, and everything else eats those sugars in some fashon or other (that is a very basic description). Apparently none of that has ever occurred to Mom MD, despite all of her schooling in biology. Take it up with her.

480 posted on 10/25/2006 10:59:24 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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