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A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

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To: Jim Robinson

Good night Jim. Looking forward to Saturday.


451 posted on 10/25/2006 10:40:25 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: wyattearp
(Sigh).

Wyatt, did it ever occur to you that living creatures are themselves open systems?

Hint: Murray Gell-Mann pointed this out in person at a seminar I once attended...

Cheers!

452 posted on 10/25/2006 10:40:28 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: nopardons

Libertarians are passé. :)


453 posted on 10/25/2006 10:40:31 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Dimensio; Mom MD

So even if she kills herself to *provide evidence to support her assertion*, how are YOU going to know if it's valid? Do you have the level of education that she does? Do you have the level necessary to understand and analyze any and everything she might post? Then what? You're going to sit in judgement and tell her it's not good enough after all? Or is she going to be expected to back up with more evidence the evidence she's already provided, as infinitum?

Why should she answer to you anyway? Who are you that can go around demanding answers to the same questions you pose everybody you have a discussion with? *Please provide evidence to support your assertions*. Do YOU ever do it? I don't really ever recall you reciprocating in kind.


454 posted on 10/25/2006 10:40:49 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Texasforever

What do you mean, dodge?

Evolution says nothing about the origin of life, because without life, there can be no evolution, so evolution states nothing, as far as how life came to be.

If a theory cannot exist before an event, that event will not be explained by the theory.

I hope that explanation was basic enough for you to understand.

The beginning of life could have been aliens from outer space, it could have been a cometary collision whcih had the proper amino acids on it, it could have been God reaching down with his glass chemical rod and swishing it into existence. It really does not matter to the theory of evolution, because without life, evolution could not exist, therefore the origin of life is of no consequence to the theory.


455 posted on 10/25/2006 10:41:53 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: jennyp

Actually, I only vaguely remember the incident. Chances are, I probably had them all on ignore which is probably better than banning the whole lot.


456 posted on 10/25/2006 10:41:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: wyattearp

I agree that evolution does not address anything other than what happens during the animation cycle of an organism. It does not address how that organism came to be animated. If Evolution is that limited then science is left with a gaping hole and maybe it should be addressed. If science can reproduce "creation" in the lab then ID or Creationism is forever discredited.


457 posted on 10/25/2006 10:42:10 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Jaguarbhzrd
I hope that explanation was basic enough for you to understand.

Yes I am just an ignorant old engineer. That is a prime example of an evolutionist showing rabid religious condescension to a challenge to his dogma.

458 posted on 10/25/2006 10:44:48 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Liberal Classic
And what's THAT supposed to mean?

Are you a damned retreaded Libertarian?

459 posted on 10/25/2006 10:45:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
"What has been hijacked is this thread! Instead of it being about the article posted at the head of this thread, it is FR's Darwinists V. Creationists."

Near as I can tell...The Scientists dropped in with the theory that Darwin was a Libertarian, and it just evolved from there./ sarc.
460 posted on 10/25/2006 10:45:52 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Is there ANY way that you can get this thread back on its topic?


461 posted on 10/25/2006 10:46:31 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
It was just a joke. :(

I am a libertarian, and in some people's opinion mightily damned. What do I get for being a retread?

462 posted on 10/25/2006 10:47:31 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: nopardons
You Got That Right!
463 posted on 10/25/2006 10:48:07 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Liberal Classic

Do you know what was on the page? Perhaps it was offensive, huh?


464 posted on 10/25/2006 10:48:51 PM PDT by Howlin (Why Won't Nancy Pelosi Let Louis Freeh Investigate the Page Scandal?)
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To: wyattearp; Texasforever

The evidence for ID is all around you and science itself depends on and uses it; it's the order and complexity of the universe.

There are plenty of cases in the world around us where order and complexity are known to be the direct result of intelligence; but nowhere can it be shown that order and complextiy can arise with out an intelligent source, or to put it another way, where the source is known and shown to be non-intelligent. The best science can do is state that they can't tell if there was intelligence or design behind the order and complexity.

To use nature itself, like snowflake or crystal formation, as evidence that order and complexity can arise from natural or non-intelligent sources, presupposes that there was no ID behind the universe to begin with and that's what you're trying to establish. You can't assume the conclusion to prove it.

If order and complexity are not evidence for intelligence or design, then science has nothing on which it can be based and there's no reson for anyone to consider that what goes on in science labe is either intelligent or designed, either.


465 posted on 10/25/2006 10:49:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Texasforever

Sorry, but sometimes people just don't get it, or don't want to, I was being as basic as possible in order to make it easy for you to understand, if it seemed condescending, I apologize.


466 posted on 10/25/2006 10:50:14 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: dread78645
> He said that to andysandmikesmom, for crying out loud.

>>OMG, he did?

Nope. It was to me.

I didn't think he cared. (wipes tear)

I'm sorry. And I'm sorry that I got that wrong. People get banned for no identifiable reason, and that... that... whatever he is, doesn't get so much as a time-out? Amazing. Sad, but amazing.

467 posted on 10/25/2006 10:50:22 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: Howlin
Do you know what was on the page?

Actually, yeah.

Perhaps it was offensive, huh?

No, nothing inappropriate for mixed company.

468 posted on 10/25/2006 10:51:10 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: nopardons

I think the author of this article has been smoking way too much crack. How's that for getting back to the actual topic?


469 posted on 10/25/2006 10:51:12 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Beagle8U
That's funny, but only because you were able to make it so.

This entire thread, IMO, is just a bandwidth wasting, senseless flame war, over a useless topic less than two weeks out from a VERY important election.

Thread hijacking has become disgusting and disturbing; not to mention rampant, lately.

470 posted on 10/25/2006 10:51:16 PM PDT by nopardons
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"Second Law of Thermal Documents" placemark


471 posted on 10/25/2006 10:52:31 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Liberal Classic
If it was a joke, it went over like a lead balloon and was neither funny nor obviously a "joke".

Are you a RETREAD? Are you confessing, right now, to being a RETREAD?

472 posted on 10/25/2006 10:54:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
What has been hijacked is this thread! Instead of it being about the article posted at the head of this thread, it is FR's Darwinists V. Creationists.

Take it up with JR. It is his forum, he can do with it as he pleases, and this was apparently his pleasure this evening.

473 posted on 10/25/2006 10:54:40 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: metmom
I am an agnostic all the way around on this issue. However my education and background make me very skeptical of a discipline that brooks no challenge in academia.
474 posted on 10/25/2006 10:54:47 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: nopardons
I tried several times to get it back on topic, no luck.
475 posted on 10/25/2006 10:54:54 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: Fiddlstix
THANKS! :-)
476 posted on 10/25/2006 10:55:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: SoldierDad
I think the author of the article is out of his teensy mind!

Many thanks for getting back to the thread topic. :-)

477 posted on 10/25/2006 10:57:26 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Are confessions made under duress valid? ;)


478 posted on 10/25/2006 10:57:43 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: wyattearp
I took it up with Jim...right here on this thread. Do, please, at least try to keep up.
479 posted on 10/25/2006 10:58:48 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: grey_whiskers
Wyatt, did it ever occur to you that living creatures are themselves open systems?

Yep, and it starts with the solar influence. Plants make sugars via photosynthesis, and everything else eats those sugars in some fashon or other (that is a very basic description). Apparently none of that has ever occurred to Mom MD, despite all of her schooling in biology. Take it up with her.

480 posted on 10/25/2006 10:59:24 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: nopardons

Your welcome. I felt your frustration from afar. This author has been reading his own press clippings way too much.


481 posted on 10/25/2006 10:59:49 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Texasforever

There is plenty of challenge in Academia for the Theory of Evolution, not the basic theory itself, because it has been pretty well as proven as it can be, it happened.

The specifics are what are being debated now, and they are debated very thoroughly and in some cases very hotly.

The DNA evidence has become overwhelming, but there are a few mysteries still to be solved, there are more and older fossils coming in, and where they fit is also hotly debated.

The Theory of Evolution itself is beyond debate, the specifics are what are being questioned, and will be for some time, as new evidence comes to light.


482 posted on 10/25/2006 11:00:00 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: Beagle8U

Thank you! Maybe you and I and a few others could try again, to get it all back on track and if THAT fails, have our own internal chat about nothing. LOL


483 posted on 10/25/2006 11:00:04 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Liberal Classic

"Are confessions made under duress valid? ;)"

Valid or not, it still gets you 3-5 at Gitmo.



484 posted on 10/25/2006 11:01:32 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: metmom
Do you have the level of education that she does?

I can't speak for Dimensio, or Mom MD for that matter, but I do know that Mom MD just applied the 2nd law of thermodynamics to an open system to support her argument, and that is just plain wrong. It is freshman physics for crying out loud!

485 posted on 10/25/2006 11:02:11 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: Liberal Classic
Are you in a state of "duress"? Have I water boarded you, or tortured you in any way?

I take it that you ARE a retread, then; a cowardly one, who was banned for good reason, but crept back under a new nic. Okay, so now that we have THAT all settled, what was your nic here, before you were banned?

486 posted on 10/25/2006 11:03:12 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

"What has been hijacked is this thread! Instead of it being about the article posted at the head of this thread, it is FR's Darwinists V. Creationists."

I agree.


487 posted on 10/25/2006 11:03:41 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: SoldierDad

You are not only a true empath, but intelligent! :-)


488 posted on 10/25/2006 11:04:28 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: SoldierDad

Wow, look at that, we agree.

The authors of this article, suffer from what is called delusional wishful thinking, and must have been smoking vast quantities of illegal substances to actually write it up as if it were true.

As President Bush said, they are already measuring for curtains, and they haven't even had the loan approved.

They are jumping the gun, and the more snide and confident they get, the more the American electorate is going to turn on them.

Just thinking about a house leader Pelosi gives me the creeps, and her spouting off the first 100 hours in power had to be one of the most idiotic things she has ever done.

Then again, the Dims have never been very intelligent, they lie to get into power, but she spouted the truth, whoops.


489 posted on 10/25/2006 11:04:54 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: takenoprisoner

Will you help bring the thread back into the fold, so to speak, with me, now?


490 posted on 10/25/2006 11:05:58 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

We'll, at least not a complete moron (like the idiot in this article). Two more weeks and we'll know how it all shakes out.


491 posted on 10/25/2006 11:06:15 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Jaguarbhzrd
The Theory of Evolution itself is beyond debate, the specifics are what are being questioned, and will be for some time, as new evidence comes to light.

That's funny since I see a LOT of debate within the great unwashed. Ya'll may be leading but who is following? If evolutionists are limiting their science to the process between "creation" and death then there is a gaping hole in potential knowledge. Today's evolutionists are using brute force through the courts and schools to validate their view of this issue. That is a sure sign of insecurity in their own ability to educate those that come to their classes with strongly held beliefs.

492 posted on 10/25/2006 11:08:59 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: SoldierDad
However it shakes out it 2 weeks, you can be sure that Libertarians weren't much of a factor in determining it.
493 posted on 10/25/2006 11:09:23 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: Jaguarbhzrd
Yep, that "first 100 hours" garbage, said by Pelosi, was enough to turn everyone's stomach for a week.

Methinks that the Dems have not only much over played their hand, but have made so many gaffs, that even Mr. and Mrs. I DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO POLITICS UNTIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE ANY ELECTION, have been really turned off.

494 posted on 10/25/2006 11:09:30 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Texasforever
I agree that evolution does not address anything other than what happens during the animation cycle of an organism. It does not address how that organism came to be animated. If Evolution is that limited then science is left with a gaping hole and maybe it should be addressed.

Evolution can only address what it was meant to address. Specifically, it is imperfect replication and a change in alleles in a population over time. It only deals with living organisms. It cannot, and does not, deal with non-life. I agree that I would like a theory that would explain that, but that would be another theory entirely. Right now there is not enough evidence to go beyond the hypothesis stage.

If science can reproduce "creation" in the lab then ID or Creationism is forever discredited.

Actually, I've had that discussion with others. Creationists will not consider ID or creationism discredited in those circumstances. I believe that the exact response was "get your own dirt". Meaning, do it without any atoms to work with. It never ends.

495 posted on 10/25/2006 11:09:33 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: Jaguarbhzrd

So, there is hope after all. Common ground. I have nightmares about Pelosi being Speaker. I also fear that the dims will leave our troops out to dry if they get into power (as they work extremely hard to pursue their impeachment agenda against Pres. Bush). The people of this country had better be awake on election day, or we are all in deep trouble.


496 posted on 10/25/2006 11:09:54 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Beagle8U

Never have, never will.


497 posted on 10/25/2006 11:11:01 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: nopardons
Are you in a state of "duress"? Have I water boarded you, or tortured you in any way?

This whole thread is pretty tortuous.

I take it that you ARE a retread, then; a cowardly one, who was banned for good reason, but crept back under a new nic. Okay, so now that we have THAT all settled, what was your nic here, before you were banned?

No, actually, this is my one and only account. I signed up in early '01, six months before 911. Does this change your perception of me at all? I've been on several freeps, including a solo freep of Castro-loyal Cubans at a socialist gathering, and one where two handfulls of us freeped an anti-war crowd of 3,000. Here are some pictures. I'd like to think I'm among friends.

Sorry, I was just trying to make a joke. I posted in libertarian threads back then, too. I was just trying to say libertarian bashing threads are old hat.

498 posted on 10/25/2006 11:11:16 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: wyattearp
Plants make sugars via photosynthesis, and everything else eats those sugars in some fashon or other (that is a very basic description).

Did the first cells engage in photosynthesis?

Seems like you're skipping a couple of steps.

Cheers!

499 posted on 10/25/2006 11:12:14 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: SoldierDad
Yes, the time grows short; doesn't it. LOL

I can hardly wait for all of the Dems and the MSM and even some of the supposed "conservatives" to awake with so much egg covering their sickly wan faces, that you can't discern egg white from skin tone.

We are going to lose NEITHER House!

500 posted on 10/25/2006 11:12:30 PM PDT by nopardons
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