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A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

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To: Virginia-American
Ms. Coulter destroyed her credibility with her idiotic statements about science (yes, evolution is a study within the science of biology). I no longer feel confident quoting any claims from her previous books unless I have researched them myself. I seriously doubt I will ever buy another one of her books.

I'm certain that she will miss the income. And the study of polywater was within the science of chemistry.

701 posted on 10/26/2006 8:41:53 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Jim Robinson

Is every site not yours anti-Freeper?


702 posted on 10/26/2006 8:43:28 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Virginia-American; Dimensio

I think you Creator deniers are forgetting where you are. This is NOT Darwin Central. Keep your insults to yourself.


703 posted on 10/26/2006 8:43:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: stands2reason

No, just those that engage in antiFReeping activities.


704 posted on 10/26/2006 8:44:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: stands2reason
I have been reading the site ,it is anti-Freeper.Some of the names surprise me and make me sad.
705 posted on 10/26/2006 8:47:19 PM PDT by fatima
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To: fatima

Anyone who is not an evofundie who has spent even a minimal amount of time on the evo/crevo threads will know that the evofundies delight in the worst excesses of loathesome speech, specializing in the lowest insults towards any religious believers.

I've seen stuff I would never have believed if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. That's why I pretty much stay off those threads.


706 posted on 10/26/2006 8:53:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: grey_whiskers
"The Republican Party can still be reformed from within, the Democrats have passed the point of no return."

Since the early 90s, I have regarded the Democrats as a quasi-criminal enterprise, akin to the Mafia. Just look at the conduct of most of their members. To be fair, the Democrats weren't always so. Zell Miller, Patrick Moynihan, and some others were the last of a breed that gave respectibility to the Democrat party.

The scary part is with respect to the attempt of the Rockefeller Republicans to turn the Republican party into a caricature of what it was once regarded--a bunch of chubby dudes in suits smoking cigars in a backroom looking to stick it to the average person.
I would not be surprised, as some others have noted, if a populist party does raise in the US--nature abhors a vacuum.
Side note: re: my post 168 with respect to the conduct of certain individuals and the intervening posts. Your honor, the evidence is overwhelming. I rest my case.

707 posted on 10/26/2006 8:55:32 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Tench_Coxe
quasi-criminal enterprise?!

You're being generous.

708 posted on 10/26/2006 8:59:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

I have never read them but I did read the links Jim put on this thread.That is what I am talking about Friend and if they are serious about what they say they are trying to do they should stay on topic and delete that which is not.


709 posted on 10/26/2006 9:00:16 PM PDT by fatima
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To: fatima
I have been reading the site ,it is anti-Freeper.

Nah.

You're not that important.

710 posted on 10/26/2006 9:01:07 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Your right but I can read.


711 posted on 10/26/2006 9:02:37 PM PDT by fatima
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To: fatima

Buncha people just got tossed over the side of the FR boat. Now they're venting a bit. Are you surprised? I'm not.


712 posted on 10/26/2006 9:03:37 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

I'm not but why were they?I am reading back 3 and 4 months.


713 posted on 10/26/2006 9:05:44 PM PDT by fatima
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To: fatima

What makes you think they were surprised? Disappointed, maybe, but surprised? Seems unlikely.


714 posted on 10/26/2006 9:06:59 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: fatima; Senator Bedfellow

He's wrong. You are THAT IMPORTANT!!


715 posted on 10/26/2006 9:09:20 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
"Buncha people just got tossed over the side of the FR boat. Now they're venting a bit. Are you surprised? I'm not."

Unlike some other instances in the past, I think its more like what would have happened if the passengers of the Achille Lauro deciding that they've had enough of the hijackers and their demands, and threw them over the side instead of being polite and watching Leon Klinghoffer getting thrown over.

Dissembling behavior is unbecoming, BTW.

716 posted on 10/26/2006 9:09:55 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Did I say surprised.I have nothing in this fight except what I read.You can start a website to share ideas but to talk about another website?


717 posted on 10/26/2006 9:10:07 PM PDT by fatima
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To: SoldierDad

LOL.


718 posted on 10/26/2006 9:10:13 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Jim Robinson

"Science is political. It doesn't have a choice."
--- Stanley Aronowitz, Marxist academic.

"All science is political."
--- Anne Norton, leftist pomo academic. University of Pennsylvania.

"Science is political. No scientist, however pure his or her research may appear to be, can escape the political setting in which science operates - or its political power in setting public agendas."
--- Nicholas Hildyard, left-wing environmentalist.
"All knowledge, including science, is political."
--- Sandra Harding, leftist feminist.

And here's one more to add...

"There's nothing more political than science. Any science, at any level."
-- Jim Robinson, ????

Who is the Marxist tool again?


719 posted on 10/26/2006 9:10:19 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Tench_Coxe
Unlike some other instances in the past, I think its more like what would have happened if the passengers of the Achille Lauro deciding that they've had enough of the hijackers and their demands, and threw them over the side instead of being polite and watching Leon Klinghoffer getting thrown over.

No doubt, but then again, I don't care what you think.

720 posted on 10/26/2006 9:11:08 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: stands2reason

LOL. I stand by my words.


721 posted on 10/26/2006 9:12:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: fatima
You can start a website to share ideas but to talk about another website?

It was the thread about cats that put us over the top, wasn't it? I told them people to leave it alone, already, but you know how folks can be sometimes...

722 posted on 10/26/2006 9:12:37 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
"No doubt, but then again, I don't care what you think"

Gee. That's disconcerting. I do believe I'll shed a tear.

723 posted on 10/26/2006 9:12:48 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Tench_Coxe

Doubtful, but whatever.


724 posted on 10/26/2006 9:13:55 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Then control if you are in charge if you expect respect.


725 posted on 10/26/2006 9:14:19 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Texasforever
When it comes to the complexities of nature is it unreasonable to look at it and ask how so much could have been accidentally brought into being? Is that not a worthy area of scientific inquiry? Why limit yourselves the mechanics?

Because if they didn't they just might end up concluding that there was some kind of Intelligence or design to the universe. They HAVE to stop at manmade things.

726 posted on 10/26/2006 9:14:49 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: little jeremiah

Insults like "evofundie?"


727 posted on 10/26/2006 9:15:36 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason

I have been fighting against the Marxist "everything is political" (art, science, cooking, etc.) for more than ten lustrums. It's sad (but not surprising) to see that such an idea has taken hold with Conservatives.


728 posted on 10/26/2006 9:16:24 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: fatima
"Did I say surprised.I have nothing in this fight except what I read.You can start a website to share ideas but to talk about another website?"

The truth points to itself. I personally could care less about the crevo foodfights. What I can't abide is misrepresentation (okay, for some reading this, out and out lying--except for some, who appear to be legends in their own minds), which is what is what is occurring, and has occurred for some time.

729 posted on 10/26/2006 9:19:18 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Doctor Stochastic

My stomach dropped when I read that post.

It was science, skepticism, logic and reason that brought me to the right in the first place.

Now I'm being told that I made a mistake. :(


730 posted on 10/26/2006 9:19:39 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: fatima
Then control if you are in charge if you expect respect.

The people who run this site don't appear to have had much luck telling those folks what to say; what makes you think I'd do any better?

In any case, I answer to them, and no one else, and therefore someone else's respect just don't enter into the equation. Sorry.

731 posted on 10/26/2006 9:20:10 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: stands2reason

You didn't change, they did. I blame the Nixon Southern Strategy.


732 posted on 10/26/2006 9:20:34 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Unlike some other instances in the past, I think its more like what would have happened if the passengers of the Achille Lauro deciding that they've had enough of the hijackers and their demands, and threw them over the side instead of being polite and watching Leon Klinghoffer getting thrown over.

Dissembling behavior is unbecoming, BTW.

No Dissembling for you. Let's look at what you just said. You just drew an equivalence between the terrorists on the Achille Lauro and some people who have been banned from FR, implying they would have engaged in murder if they hadn't been. BTW, many of these people that have been banned are hard working scientists... one of whom is currently engaged in research to thwart terrorists. Ironic, isn't it? Do you have any idea how what you wrote comes across? And do you even give a d*mn?

733 posted on 10/26/2006 9:20:58 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: stands2reason

That's not an insult, it's a neutral descriptive term of those who adhere religiously to the TOE.


734 posted on 10/26/2006 9:21:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: ml1954

Oh the irony of writing "scientists are Marxists" on a modern computer and sending it into cyberspace.


735 posted on 10/26/2006 9:23:14 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Senator Bedfellow; fatima; All

fatima prays for my son, my nephew, and a close friends daughter over the airwaves, so as far as I'm concerned she is very important. Your opinion means little to me on this issue.


736 posted on 10/26/2006 9:23:29 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: stands2reason

LOL. Are you seriously claiming the left does NOT use "science" as a political tool?


737 posted on 10/26/2006 9:23:38 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: stands2reason
All one has to do is read the *Other Sites* forum at DC to come to the conclusion it's anti-FR. It should more appropriately be labeled *Other Site* - singular- as it appears that there is only one that is trashed discussed.
738 posted on 10/26/2006 9:24:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: little jeremiah

That's a load of crap.

So you don't mind being called a Bible-fundy?


739 posted on 10/26/2006 9:24:10 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason

Uh, I think you're projecting.


740 posted on 10/26/2006 9:24:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Tench_Coxe
So your an anti-freeper.If you have a science website do science.Don't talk about another website.It will pull you down.
741 posted on 10/26/2006 9:24:45 PM PDT by fatima
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To: SoldierDad
I would hardly expect it to be any other way. Why should any of you care what I think?

Conversely, of course, why should I care what any of you think?

742 posted on 10/26/2006 9:25:10 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: stands2reason

I'm a Hindu who reads the Bible. Try to fit me into a box, I dare you!

;-)


743 posted on 10/26/2006 9:26:00 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Jim Robinson

The Left has constantly used science, art, etc., as political tools to the detriment of science, art, etc. It's sad to see the Right attempt to do the same. Or maybe it's the Triangulation Strategy?


744 posted on 10/26/2006 9:26:04 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: stands2reason

The ones I have seen are. And if YOU can't figure that out, then you need a good remedial reading course. One in logic would also help. ;^)


745 posted on 10/26/2006 9:26:10 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
What are you talking about? I was in the bookstore a while back and sat down and read about half of Godless while I was waiting on my wife. I've enjoyed Coulter's polemics in the past, but her latest book was crap. It exemplifies everything I've been saying on this thread about making the conservative movement hostile to modern science. Surely you are not say that giving her latest book the thumbs down is the same as destroying freedom of worship?

You're just flat wrong on this issue. Evolutionary theory is foundational to our understanding of biology. It is part of science's toolkit for understanding the physical world. It is no more hostile to Christianity or Judaism than a hammer or inclined plane. I mean, come on. The ACLU uses math. Does that mean algebra is part of the homosexual agenda?

746 posted on 10/26/2006 9:26:46 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: little jeremiah

The word "evofundy" is neutral???

Would you swear to that in a court of law?

You are going to sit there and blatantly lie like that?

Damn. I should stop being shocked by you people's lies.


747 posted on 10/26/2006 9:26:54 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: ml1954
BTW, many of these people that have been banned are hard working scientists... one of whom is currently engaged in research to thwart terrorists.

Care to name names? As to your antiterrorism points, I work on the B-1B. We drop bombs on terrorists.

748 posted on 10/26/2006 9:27:04 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Senator Bedfellow
It's not luck it called leadership.You have an anti-freeper website.
749 posted on 10/26/2006 9:27:50 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Senator Bedfellow; fatima

A lot of the *venting* is coming from people with the same screen names as active FR accounts. It's not just a matter of banned FReepers blowing off steam. It's backstabbing by current freepers.


750 posted on 10/26/2006 9:28:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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