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A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

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To: dixiechick2000
This thread is funny at this point.Are they dead yet Jim:)scientist yet or so called.
961 posted on 10/26/2006 11:44:01 PM PDT by fatima
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To: dixiechick2000; Jim Robinson; Dimensio; nopardons; ml1954
As I posted before, the problem with Crevo threads is that they always end up like this:

I'll leave it to each poster to decide which of the cre's / evo's side is Calvin, and which is Hobbes.

G'night all.

Cheers!

962 posted on 10/26/2006 11:44:52 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Senator Bedfellow
I hardly ever drink alcoholic beverages, but evidently you imbibe heavily and too often. That explains a lot.

Please spare us all from sordid details about what else the two of you engage in.

963 posted on 10/26/2006 11:44:58 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ml1954
Whaddaya mean? We're having a battle, by gum.

Oh, well - I'm gonna retire back to the rear echelons there and put my feet up for a while. This battling thing wears a fella out, ya know.

See you on the flip side, ML :)

964 posted on 10/26/2006 11:45:04 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

And here I thought FR was some kind of intellectually oriented site.


965 posted on 10/26/2006 11:45:09 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: ml1954
Only on your side.

Me? I'm laughing, uproariously, at your fatuousness.

966 posted on 10/26/2006 11:46:34 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ml1954

How bout over there-Yer Majesty~

You have every right to be angry.

Just this: You are no liar.

You've been betrayed.

FR and the Republican party left YOU.

The fault and shame is theirs.


967 posted on 10/26/2006 11:47:07 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Nobody here cares about any of that.

Get thee to an AA meeting. :-)

968 posted on 10/26/2006 11:48:19 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ml1954
Actually, you haven't. But as usual, lousy try on your part. Keep it up....you've almost got enough points for a cupiedoll; sugar.
969 posted on 10/26/2006 11:49:38 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: dixiechick2000

Pleasant dreams.................... :-)


970 posted on 10/26/2006 11:51:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ml1954; Senator Bedfellow

How nice of you to finally admit to what the two of you have been trying to pass off as scintillating wit.


971 posted on 10/26/2006 11:52:23 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: grey_whiskers
Truthfully, the ridiculous, banal, inane, and all too pointless crevo/enviro threads and arguments bore me silly. I frankly couldn't care less about this topic, if I tried for the next 1,000 years. As far as I'm concerned, they can all beat up one another until the end of the world. I just wish that they'd go off and do it in their own space, stop hijacking POLITICAL threads, and leave the rest of us alone!

Good night and pleasant dreams.......................

972 posted on 10/26/2006 11:56:55 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

nopardons,pretty sad to debate people in highschool for a science forum with people I used to respect.


973 posted on 10/26/2006 11:57:49 PM PDT by fatima
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To: A CA Guy
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. We haven't always seen eye to eye, you and I, but I'll try to return the favor.

I wouldn't say "fall apart" so much as to say our models become inaccurate close to the beginning of time. No one in science declares answes with the same kind of certainty and authority that a pastor or rabbi does. This is not to say that scientific answers aren't authoritative, only that scientific language is always qualified. The language of faith, on the other hand, is typically absolute.

The way I see it, science fills is what we can learn, and faith helps us find those answers that we can't learn (or maybe have a hard time learning) on our own. Science is good at hows and where, while faith answers why. I don't believe there is any conflict between science and faith, because I've worked with too many scientists and engineers who have it. The theological position of the mainstream of Christianity and Judaism is that the Lord exists beyond scientific scrutiny.

One thing I've been trying to say on this thread is that it is not only the Dems that want to drive a wedge between religious conservatives and secular conservatives. There are likely elements of both that are repelling each other. I have represented myself as a libertarian for a long time on these threads, and I have often spoken of the need for fiscal and social conservatives to close ranks. The Dems want to see us tear outselves apart. (They have their own internal pressures, too, but that's for a different therad maybe.)

One of the things I've been driving at for the past couple nights is need to recognize that there are some cranks on FR who would be plenty happy to see pro-science people like me banned and gone for good. I'd like to think I am not an outsider here, but a member in good standing.

My purpose for posting has been to get Jim and other readers of this thread to realize that it is not the mainstream Christians causing problems. What we have are some cranks who believe in things like the moon landing was faked, and doctors can't cure disease, and crop circles, and alien abductions, and geocentrism, man walked with dinosaurs, oil doesn't come from fossils, the earth used to orbit Saturn, man was created on another planet, far out stuff. Once you get a couple of nutballs they attract each other like a magnet attracts iron filings. They clump together. They have cloaked themselves in the mantle of mainstream Christianity, and are leading the charge against "evilutionism" and by playing on people's religious sympathies, hope others will join in. These nuts are driving good posters out, and ultimately playing into the hands of the Dems by driving a wedge between religious conservatives and secular conservatives.

974 posted on 10/27/2006 12:03:01 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: fatima

I think that you need to explain THAT, in private. Something got very lost along the way.


975 posted on 10/27/2006 12:03:54 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Liberal Classic
A+Bert thought/thinks that the moon landing was staged and not real. He was banned long ago. Through the years, there have been other such tinfoilers on FR.

All of us KNOW that there have been and still are KOOKS posting to FR. Give it up............you aren't serving any function at all. Your "news" is "news" to NOBODY!

Oh, and BTW, you can't be "an outsider" here, as well as "a member in good standing"; that's an oxymoron.

976 posted on 10/27/2006 12:11:16 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: fatima

Hi Fatima. Thanks so for the hello.


977 posted on 10/27/2006 12:20:47 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Hi FRiend,nice to so you.Can we calm things down here?


978 posted on 10/27/2006 12:22:20 AM PDT by fatima
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To: Liberal Classic
The biggest problem I see with some people are they think like whining children.

They want something now, their way and if they don't get it they think wisdom dictates some form of election punishment as a lesson.

The problem with that is it is totally counter productive. It has been proved in the past to only get the fire breathing Democrats in power and sets back our efforts a year or more with the little punishing hissy fits.

Regarding science and evolution, I have no problem with them in general.
Problem I have is first off the TEACHER'S UNION who keeps trying to get religion and conservatism out of the classroom and leave liberalism & a form of humanism in.

As a Christian person, I have no problem in believing that part of the creation job of God was what we call evolution as creation moved forward. Steps if you will of creation adapting as life moved forward.
The public schools want to acknowledge some possible function of creation, but deny the Creator completely.
That I have a problem with.

So OK, they say not in public school, well then there should be vouchers that give us back our tax money so we can use it to a school that meets our approval.

Why should there be a collection of all our education money for a monopoly in public school education? Especially since it fails people and doesn't satisfy many parents with varied belief systems.

So, I have no problem with evolution as a part of creation, but have a problem with how creation is not acknowledged at school at all.
I also think we don't punish Republicans to teach ourselves some lesson that gets the fire breathing Democrat into power. That is total idiocy IMO.
979 posted on 10/27/2006 12:24:31 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ml1954; Senator Bedfellow
... but to directly say someone is lying is a serious accusation.

Go cry to mommy Charlie!


980 posted on 10/27/2006 12:35:57 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!)
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