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Macabre Photos Disgrace German Military
Der Spiegel ^ | 2006-10-25

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:39:15 AM PDT by cartan

Five photos threaten to stain the German military's reputation just as the country debates its role in international security operations. The images, showing German soldiers posing with a skull near Kabul, have sparked outrage from the government and may increase public reluctance to keep troops abroad.

The photos are unmistakably crass, ranging from a shot of a skull mounted over the headlight of a jeep to a close-up of a soldier holding his penis in his left hand and the skull next to it in his right. These are just two of five photos published Wednesday by the German daily Bild, showing members of German security forces in Afghanistan desecrating human remains evidently found while on patrol near Kabul. Two other photos show the skull affixed to a metal pole—a “cable cutter”—that extends vertically like a flag mast from the jeep's front bumper. Another shows a German soldier holding the skull and grinning.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan
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Germans once more proving their moral superiority to the world…


1 posted on 10/25/2006 11:39:16 AM PDT by cartan
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To: cartan

What is it about Germans....??


2 posted on 10/25/2006 11:41:35 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: cartan

This the normal GI stuff, big deal.


3 posted on 10/25/2006 11:42:04 AM PDT by ansel12 ( sin holds a sway over their lives to the point where boldness begins to be craved.)
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To: cartan
Shhhhhhhhhh....don't tell Shakespear!


4 posted on 10/25/2006 11:42:05 AM PDT by Fighting Irish (Béagán agus a rá go maith)
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To: cartan

Just following orders?


5 posted on 10/25/2006 11:42:11 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to islam since 1959)
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To: cartan
a close-up of a soldier holding his penis in his left hand and the skull next to it in his right

Bush's fault. They're just emulating Skull and Bones.

6 posted on 10/25/2006 11:44:04 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: cartan

Are they schocked that he was holding a skull or that he was holding his own penis?........


7 posted on 10/25/2006 11:44:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (CONGRESS NEEDS TO BE DE-FOLEY-ATED...............................)
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To: SlowBoat407

Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him well.


8 posted on 10/25/2006 11:45:09 AM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Caesar Soze

LOL!


9 posted on 10/25/2006 11:45:44 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: cartan
Wonder when they are going to print a photo of a partial birth abortion...?
10 posted on 10/25/2006 11:46:08 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Oh spare me.

You go to war. Scum tries to kill you. You kill the scum. You diminish the scum as people (like calling them scum) both as a coping mechanism and because they f***ing are scum.

It's called war. Its not a game and it isn't played in a nice civilized western society. If you think you can do better then join the f*** up and show the world how civilized you are.

Interesting but I have observed that those who squeal the most about brutality are usually the most unreasonably bloodthirsty when they get backed into a corner.

11 posted on 10/25/2006 11:49:46 AM PDT by bluetone006 (Peace - or I guess war if given no other option)
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To: cartan
What on earth is it with Germans?


12 posted on 10/25/2006 11:50:34 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: cartan

Over the last 60 years or so, Germans have had a knack for being proudly photographed with skeletal remains and piles of bodies.


13 posted on 10/25/2006 11:51:46 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: cartan

I'm pretty sure that young soldiers have been playing around with enemy body parts for several thousand years. It may be tasteless but it's hardly shocking.


14 posted on 10/25/2006 11:52:50 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: cartan
Was it a red skull? Call Capt. America!

15 posted on 10/25/2006 11:53:13 AM PDT by evets (Just kidding.)
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To: Gingersnap
I agree, but it's all over the news over here. Quite amazing…
16 posted on 10/25/2006 11:53:54 AM PDT by cartan
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To: cartan

No doubt, the ultra-liberal media in Germany and/or Europe will have a stroke over this event.


17 posted on 10/25/2006 11:56:07 AM PDT by Paradox (American Conservatives: Keeping the world safe for Liberalism.)
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To: cartan

Alas, poor Yasim! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy."


18 posted on 10/25/2006 11:57:10 AM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: cartan
American soldiers in the Pacific during WW II kept the skulls of Japanese soldiers as souvenirs. Life magazine during the war published a full-page photo of an attractive blonde posing with the skull of a Japanese soldier she had been sent as a "souvenir"---the photo was presented merely as human interest, with no condemnation of the soldier's act. A Baltimore Sun article of 1943 publicized the fact that a GI's mother had asked her son fighting in the Pacific for the ear of a Japanese soldier so that she could nail it to her front door. US marines made a speciality of collecting Japanese soldiers' ears. American generals voiced concerns in their diaries about abuse of enemy remains by US troops.

There's no reason for you to single out Germans, if gathering war trophies from enemy corpses is worthy of condemnation.

US Navy lieutenant lets Japanese skull have a smoke

19 posted on 10/25/2006 12:01:12 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cartan
In 1944 Life magazine ran an article about a Marine that sent his fiancee the skull of a Japanese soldier killed in the fighting over some Pacific Island.

Big full page spread -- had the smiling girl with the skull on her desk at work. I remember that the office staff had nicknamed the skull "Tojo."

The article did not disapprove, either. It ran it as an example of the healthy overexuberance of our boys oversees fighting an inhuman enemy.
20 posted on 10/25/2006 12:01:15 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: No Truce With Kings

It was definately a different time back then.


21 posted on 10/25/2006 12:01:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cartan

If they were French soldiers, they would have surrendered to the skull.


22 posted on 10/25/2006 12:04:14 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: cartan

Folks, this is what liberals do. Some soldiers took some wacky photos, so the liberals say the nation's entire foreign policy should be called into question. Huh??? What the hell does one even remotely have to do with the other? If you need to punish some soldiers for a photo, go ahead. You don't abandon your foreign policy commitments.


23 posted on 10/25/2006 12:07:54 PM PDT by Williams
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To: ozzymandus; All

Being from balkans, and knowing what SS troops did to my people and rest of Europe, im not surprissed what I saw on that photo from Afghanistan.

Never liked Germans never will.


24 posted on 10/25/2006 12:09:11 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org and www.kosovo.net Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: Map Kernow

Some folks are racist ... It's just that simple.

Some racists hate XXXXXXXX (insulting word fo people with dark skin)

Some racists hate XXXXXXXX (insulting word for descendants of Abraham)

Some racists hate XXXXXXXX (insulting word for people of Teutonic ancestry)

etc...


25 posted on 10/25/2006 12:09:17 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: cartan

Is this the same media that show snipers killing "LIVE" US soldiers?


26 posted on 10/25/2006 12:11:07 PM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: dfwgator
No, humans were the same then we just weren't listening to the leftists. My reaction to the reaction to the German photos was "Grow Up". They send young men far away to kill or be killed but then want to be outraged over a guy holding his penis and a skull. Big deal. If there is a punishment give it out. The left is trying to use this to get Germany out of the war on terror.

I say we need a few more troops who want to show off a skull, and a few less mindless leftists who will get millions of innocent people killed. Our troops did nothing wrong in WWII on this, either.

27 posted on 10/25/2006 12:12:12 PM PDT by Williams
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To: cartan

I'm cool with it, just as long as they didn't put panties on the skull.


28 posted on 10/25/2006 12:13:54 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Fighting Irish

29 posted on 10/25/2006 12:14:40 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: kronos77

I am proud of my German ancestry.


30 posted on 10/25/2006 12:15:16 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: kronos77
Troops from anywhere, in the thick of killing and being shot at, are going to dispense with Sunday School niceties. I remember that when we were being blown up in Lebanon, one of the groups tried kidnapping a Soviet. The Soviets got the terror leader, cut off his penis and sent it back to the group. They never messed with the Soviets again.

I hear soldiers swear and drink, too, and they have been known to go with prostitutes. It's a war they are killing and being killed.

31 posted on 10/25/2006 12:16:12 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Joe 6-pack

Or handle a Koran without gloves. Now that would be an outrage. Lets recap:

Skulls and penis's, no problemo.

Gloveless infidel hands on a Koran, reason to behead, riot, and be outraged.


32 posted on 10/25/2006 12:16:35 PM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: cartan

1943 Life magazine photo of woman contemplating skull of Japanese soldier sent by her fiance in the Pacific

33 posted on 10/25/2006 12:17:41 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cartan

Soldier humor. This has been around since armies were invented.

So what.

Sheesh.


34 posted on 10/25/2006 12:19:26 PM PDT by roaddog727 (BullS##t does not get bridges built)
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To: cartan

Far be it from us to impose our own Judeo-Christian morality on others. That would be soooo judgmental. (sarc)


35 posted on 10/25/2006 12:19:52 PM PDT by Spok (He who bites the hand that feeds him will also lick the boot that kicks him.)
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To: ozzymandus

I ment German state politics, history and SS. Germans are decent people.


36 posted on 10/25/2006 12:22:15 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org and www.kosovo.net Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Some folks are racist ... It's just that simple.

Naah, it's probably just that the soldiers collecting Japanese skulls and ears in WW II were German-Americans---I think that explains everything... :P

37 posted on 10/25/2006 12:24:32 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bluetone006
This issue is beyond ridiculous. The only thing that is bothersome is the skull in one hand, penis in other. But that's not really a military issue, it sounds like a personal problem.
38 posted on 10/25/2006 12:25:05 PM PDT by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: Map Kernow

< Snort! > Of course they were! Silly me ... I should have thought of that.


39 posted on 10/25/2006 12:26:03 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: patton
Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him well.

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Drop the 'well' and you've got it, the start of it anyway. The next word is 'Horatio'...

40 posted on 10/25/2006 12:27:34 PM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: technochick99

Either he's p!$$!ng on somebody's grave, or he's more than a bit pervy.


41 posted on 10/25/2006 12:28:15 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: wtc911

I got my degree in math, not englisch, thankyouverymuch. LOL.


42 posted on 10/25/2006 12:29:34 PM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: cartan
“What kind of war do civilians suppose we fought anyway? We shot prisoners in cold blood, wiped out hospitals, strafed lifeboats, killed or mistreated enemy civilians, finished off the enemy wounded, tossed the dying into a hole with the dead, and in the Pacific boiled flesh off enemy skulls to make table ornaments for sweethearts, or carved their bones into letter openers.”

---Edgar L. Jones, Atlantic Monthly, February 1946

43 posted on 10/25/2006 12:33:27 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: patton

And I can't balance a checkbook, thankyouverymuch...


44 posted on 10/25/2006 12:38:13 PM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: cartan

Daisy is dead?! OMG, what horrible, front-page worthy news! But then this is Bild.

This is like Paris Hilton dying at middle-age, and then a year after her death her chihuahua's death makes the front page.


45 posted on 10/25/2006 12:40:00 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: wtc911

Neither can I. I SAID I got a degree in math...need to take off my shoes to count above 9.


46 posted on 10/25/2006 12:41:29 PM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: cartan

Indians collected scalps.


47 posted on 10/25/2006 12:43:27 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: Salamander; tx_eggman
You meant...


48 posted on 10/25/2006 12:46:13 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (Islam... if ya can't join 'em, beat 'em.)
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To: SpinnerWebb

Shakespeare is great.... for me to POOP on!


49 posted on 10/25/2006 12:47:09 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (Islam... if ya can't join 'em, beat 'em.)
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To: cartan


During the Korean War, the Turks found that a little engineer tape to mark a boundary and a single impaled North Korean displayed for all to see was far more effective than triple concertina barbed wire, guards in towers and minefields at keeping out the unwanted.
50 posted on 10/25/2006 12:50:40 PM PDT by OESY
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