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Macabre Photos Disgrace German Military
Der Spiegel ^ | 2006-10-25

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:39:15 AM PDT by cartan

Five photos threaten to stain the German military's reputation just as the country debates its role in international security operations. The images, showing German soldiers posing with a skull near Kabul, have sparked outrage from the government and may increase public reluctance to keep troops abroad.

The photos are unmistakably crass, ranging from a shot of a skull mounted over the headlight of a jeep to a close-up of a soldier holding his penis in his left hand and the skull next to it in his right. These are just two of five photos published Wednesday by the German daily Bild, showing members of German security forces in Afghanistan desecrating human remains evidently found while on patrol near Kabul. Two other photos show the skull affixed to a metal pole—a “cable cutter”—that extends vertically like a flag mast from the jeep's front bumper. Another shows a German soldier holding the skull and grinning.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan
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To: Map Kernow
I have photos of my late uncle with Merrills Marauders in Burma standing with arms outstretched, holding a Jap head by the hair in each hand.

A killer in war, he came home, went to school on the G.I. Bill and lived a normal peaceful life until he died at 90.

Warm beer in the Burma jungle:


Dat's Mon Onc, middle row, second from left.

51 posted on 10/25/2006 12:50:58 PM PDT by metesky (My investment portfolio is holding steady @ .05 a can.)
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To: kronos77
Being from balkans, and knowing what SS troops did to my people and rest of Europe, im not surprissed what I saw on that photo from Afghanistan.

Speaking as a supporter of Serbian Kosovo, and an opponent of Clinton's so-called "Kosova Campaign" of 1999, I am not here to defend German atrocities in the Balkans, or the antics of the German soldiers in Afghanistan. My only point is, that use of enemy remains as war trophies is not a German peculiarity---not in the past, or now.

52 posted on 10/25/2006 12:53:45 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cartan


The price of pulling out before victory in Indochina:
The skulls at the monument at the Choeung Ek
killing fields, Phnom Penh, Cambodia.

Liberals claim the dominoes didn't fall after
they cut off the funds for the Vietnam War.

53 posted on 10/25/2006 1:01:54 PM PDT by OESY
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To: SpinnerWebb
SpinnerWebb,

The GeoCities web site you were trying to view has temporarily exceeded its data transfer limit. Please try again later.

That's what you get for linking your site to FR ...

54 posted on 10/25/2006 1:03:39 PM PDT by tx_eggman (The people who work for me wear the dog collars. It's good to be king. - ccmay)
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To: metesky
Because of the racial aspect, and the exploitation by both sides of racist stereotypes of the enemy, the War in the Pacific was in the opinion of many particularly brutal. It goes without saying, even given practices among US soldiers such as "skull souvenirs," that Japanese military personnel in the Pacific were very often consciously savage towards American prisoners---not to mention civilian populations under their control. I recommend John W. Dower's War Without Mercy: Race and Power in the Pacific War for more info.
55 posted on 10/25/2006 1:06:56 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cartan


These were the future leaders of Cambodia: their doctors, lawyers, bankers, businessmen, housewives....

Is there a lesson here for Iraq and the rest of the Middle East?

Meet Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge



56 posted on 10/25/2006 1:16:06 PM PDT by OESY
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To: Map Kernow

First, thank you for your support we apriciate it, and secondly, yes Im aware of that there is usage of enemy remains as war trophy all over the world.

I just spoke as Christian that Im not comfortable with that.


57 posted on 10/25/2006 1:27:32 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org and www.kosovo.net Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: A_perfect_lady
"What is it about Germans....??"

I assume you also said "What is it about Americans...??" when the photos of Abu Ghraib prison were published?

Soldiers do stupid things sometimes. Posing for stupid photos is pretty normal behavior for all soldiers, not just Germans.
58 posted on 10/25/2006 1:48:38 PM PDT by monday
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To: tx_eggman

LOL I've been FREEPED!


59 posted on 10/25/2006 2:08:37 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (Islam... if ya can't join 'em, beat 'em.)
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To: Map Kernow
Map, I have all ten volumes of Pictorial History of the Second World War, William H. Wise and Co., Inc.. Old, out of print, cheap now, but my father bought the volumes as they came out, the first in 1944 the year of me. :O)

The last volume came out in 1949 after all the trials were over.

4,000 pages of pictures with captions mixed with a spare factual text. Covers all the theaters, with pictures of Manchuria in the Pacific Theater, Munich, Czechoslovakia, the Blitzkrieg into Poland, right through to the trials of Japanese and Nazi war criminals.

In addition to Pa's younger brother with Merrill in the Pacific, my mother's brother was with the 8th AAF and flew Ploesti and a chit load of other runs. I grew up with this stuff.

I was 9 or 10 years old before the old man would even let me look at some of the pictures, like the eyewitness drawings of a survivor of the Black Hole in a Manila hotel where the Japanese army had a production line POW decapitation thing goin'.

I'll look for that book. Thanks. I'm a sap for history books and one good thing about that, history books are usually the first ones discounted. My wife and I were almost alone in the history section at our public library's annual old book sell-off. Three grocery bags full of history for $20.00!

60 posted on 10/25/2006 2:12:38 PM PDT by metesky (My investment portfolio is holding steady @ .05 a can.)
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To: cartan

Hey, at least they didn't put any panties on the skull.


61 posted on 10/25/2006 2:25:43 PM PDT by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: ozzymandus
If they were French soldiers, they would have surrendered to the skull.

The French have lost their "mojo" over the years.
IIRC, it was not uncommon for French posted to Indochina to send
home postcards of severed heads of rebellious plantation workers.
The examples I saw were from the tail-end of the 1800s and from
the early 1900s (I think).
62 posted on 10/25/2006 2:32:50 PM PDT by VOA
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To: bluetone006
Oh spare me. You go to war. Scum tries to kill you. You kill the scum. You diminish the scum as people (like calling them scum) both as a coping mechanism and because they f***ing are scum. It's called war. Its not a game and it isn't played in a nice civilized western society. If you think you can do better then join the f*** up and show the world how civilized you are. Interesting but I have observed that those who squeal the most about brutality are usually the most unreasonably bloodthirsty when they get backed into a corner.

Freak out much?

63 posted on 10/25/2006 2:38:42 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: monday

It's not the part about them holding skulls that makes me say "What is it about Germans," it's the part about one of them holding his penis in his other hand that makes me shake my head and wonder.


64 posted on 10/25/2006 2:42:48 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: metesky
I'll look for that book. Thanks. I'm a sap for history books and one good thing about that, history books are usually the first ones discounted. My wife and I were almost alone in the history section at our public library's annual old book sell-off. Three grocery bags full of history for $20.00!

Thanks for your kind and informative reply. If you like Dower's "War Without Mercy," I also recommend his later "Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II." If anything, how Japan adapted to defeat and occupation is even more fascinating---at least to yours truly---than the conduct of the war between Japan and the US.

65 posted on 10/25/2006 2:46:23 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: A_perfect_lady
it's the part about one of them holding his penis in his other hand that makes me shake my head and wonder.

It's a "guy thing," Lady. You don't want to understand... ;)

66 posted on 10/25/2006 2:48:09 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: A_perfect_lady
"It's not the part about them holding skulls that makes me say "What is it about Germans," it's the part about one of them holding his penis in his other hand that makes me shake my head and wonder."

Yeah, I thought that weird too, but is it any weirder than US soldiers playing with naked prisoners and taking pictures of themselves with hooded naked prisoners? Perhaps they are all homosexuals, who knows?
67 posted on 10/25/2006 2:59:08 PM PDT by monday
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To: Map Kernow
"It's a "guy thing," Lady. You don't want to understand... ;)"

Hey, I am a guy, and I don't understand. Please. Explain! You think thats normal?
68 posted on 10/25/2006 3:02:03 PM PDT by monday
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To: monday
Hey, I am a guy, and I don't understand. Please. Explain! You think thats normal?

Did I say it was "normal"? I was joshing a little with someone who made an apt and lady-like objection when you butted in. If my emoticon at the end didn't give that away, I'm not sure how else to reach you. Get a sense of humor.

69 posted on 10/25/2006 3:51:27 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SpinnerWebb

*grooooooan!*.....;D


70 posted on 10/25/2006 5:06:50 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: Map Kernow
"Did I say it was "normal"?

You said it was a "guy" thing. Guy's are normal. I understand you were joking, but you do seem to understand what it was about, so I am just curious. What was it about? I honestly have no clue despite being a guy. My best guess is that guys who want to, um... *uck everything, skulls, male prisoners, etc. are gay. Is that right or no?
71 posted on 10/26/2006 6:31:05 AM PDT by monday
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