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Women says police went too far in drug raid
abc13.com ^ | 10/25/06 | Mark Garay

Posted on 10/28/2006 11:27:01 AM PDT by traviskicks

A Sugar Land woman says police went too far when they burst into her home and arrested her boyfriend and son on drug charges. The raid left her dog dead and caused thousands of dollars in damage.

"It was bang, bang, bang, then there was a boom as they broke the door in, threw the fire grenade, and then shot the dog," said homeowner Margot Allen. "This all happened in anywhere from five to fifteen seconds."

That's how Allen's son and boyfriend describe what happened that day. Sugar Land police acted on a tip. They say they found traces of marijuana and cocaine in her trash after a month-long investigation.

"There's no crack done in my house," she said. "There's occasional marijuana in my house. I don't do it because I don't happen to like it."

Based on the evidence in the trash, a regional SWAT team arrived at the home. Police say they knocked, waited 30 seconds, and then broke in with guns and a concussion grenade. The house suffered $5,000 damage and one officer shot and killed Margot's golden lab, Shadow, when police say it charged toward one of the officers. What did officers find inside?

"A joint half the size of my pinky fingernail and then one about this big," she said, showing a length on her finger. "And not anywhere near this big around."

The Sugar Land Police Department declined an on-camera interview, but they are defending their actions, saying they followed protocol to the letter.

The department says it was determined that the bust would be of a moderate risk. Even though they had no specific threat, they were prepared for firearms in the house and felt obligated to anticipate any resistance or violence. They say killing the dog was regrettable. They also say Allen's boyfriend has a history of drug convictions. But for Allen, it was overkill.

"They treated us like we were terrorists," she said. "They broke the door down. They shot my dog. They set my house on fire."

Both Allen's son and her boyfriend were charged with a Class B misdemeanor for that small amount of marijuana. That's punishable by up to six months in the county jail or a maximum $2,000 fine. Both of them will be in court on January 9.


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To: Axhandle
When they abandon their professional ethic and start acting upon their own impulses, which are obviously going to be skewed by their day in and day out dealings with the lowest dregs of our society, then that is when abuse of power and outrages really begin.

That's why 90% of them should be fired, and the rest disarmed.

101 posted on 10/28/2006 6:13:56 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

This isn't the first time that I've wasted keystrokes responding to someone who turned out to be making intentionally ridiculous posts. Fool me twice, shame on me.


102 posted on 10/28/2006 6:18:36 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: gilor

A bunch of inept losers who need to draw authority from the state because they got beat up when they were lttle kids.


103 posted on 10/28/2006 6:18:40 PM PDT by Alfonso1000
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To: Axhandle

Sometimes, the truth hurts.


104 posted on 10/28/2006 6:20:05 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
Wrong again. Our society - the voting public - has determined that Big Macs should remain legal but not THC and cocaine.

Are you too stoned to understand the difference?
105 posted on 10/28/2006 7:08:39 PM PDT by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: elkfersupper

Goodbye to you and to every other moron that has suckered me in to wasting my time.


106 posted on 10/28/2006 7:32:50 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: GLH3IL

"but I if the facts support the actions of the police I doubt if you'll admit to acting like a knee jerk liberal."

Let's see. My great grandfather was the chief of police. My uncle was the chief of police. My dad served as a State Constable. I served as a State Constable. My first cousin served as a deputy who died in the line of duty. I have combined three nephews and nieces currently serving in LE. I believe I qualify for an opinion on this...for me, this is not a liberal or conservative issue as you would like to make it.

Meantime, the preservation of our freedoms and our Constitution are more important to me than any petty pot smoker.

T


107 posted on 10/28/2006 7:36:28 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: Axhandle

Wow. Check out the size of that bad boy.


108 posted on 10/28/2006 7:41:22 PM PDT by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: Peacekeeper357

"I agree with GLH3IL, a JUDGE issued the warrant, the Police executed the warrant, if you have a problem take it up with the JUDGE."

So LE which makes the decision on how to execute the warrant bears no responsibilty?

That's interesting.


109 posted on 10/28/2006 7:47:56 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: GLH3IL
To condem the police, as many of you seem do be doing, without knowing more about the subject, is just wrong.

What more is there to know? If there had been sufficient quantities of drugs found to charge someone with distribution offenses, don't you think the police would have released that information? The truth is there is nothing more to know. A home was invaded by police, a dog was shot and killed, several thousands of dollars of property damage occurred, peoples' lives were put in danger (LEO's and citizens) and miniscule amounts of pot were found. If one supports the WOD, then this is just collateral damage. If one doesn't support the WOD, then this is evidence of legalized tyranny.

The reason behind these types of raids is that politicians and LE officials have decided that securing the evidence (drugs) is more important than the lives of the inhabitants of the home and the lives of the officers instructed to carry out these legalized home invasions. Ain't social engineering grand?

110 posted on 10/28/2006 8:01:17 PM PDT by Unknown Pundit
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To: eleni121

I stand by my call. You are unreasonable and dogmatic in your Taliban like approach regarding this issue.


111 posted on 10/28/2006 8:07:39 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner

And you are boringly derivative in your calls to legalize what the overwhelming number of Americans have repeatedly insisted should remain illegal.

Go to Waziristan and smoke the stuff...where it is part and parcel of that dynamic and progressive culture.

LOL.


112 posted on 10/28/2006 8:15:16 PM PDT by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: traviskicks

man, I need a shirt like that


113 posted on 10/28/2006 8:17:44 PM PDT by fnord (dachshunds with erections can't climb stairs)
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To: Unknown Pundit

"...then this is evidence of legalized tyranny."

Place them on the border, or send them to Iraq to execute their skills against the insurgents in Iraq. Killing the family pet of an American citizen, come on.


114 posted on 10/28/2006 8:25:03 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: eleni121

I stand by my call. You gotta be a 6th century like Taliban muslim or the equivalent. Same difference.


115 posted on 10/28/2006 8:30:12 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: eleni121
Our society - the voting public - has determined that Big Macs should remain legal but not THC and cocaine. Are you too stoned to understand the difference?

Our society-the voting public-is on the verge of deciding that Big Macs should become illegal.

Are you too compliant and too complacent to care?

116 posted on 10/28/2006 8:33:44 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Axhandle
Goodbye to you and to every other moron that has suckered me in to wasting my time..

Enjoy your self-created Gulag.

117 posted on 10/28/2006 8:35:33 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
I remember an east coast southern couple with a dog being pulled over in their car and their dog shot as the cops chased after a fictitious robbery based on a phone call from an idiot. >p?happened right here in cookeville, tn. family, with kids (grandma?) and their beagle type dog, left the wallet on the roof of the car when leaving a gas station in Nashville. Had good amt of cash in it (on vacation), so its assumed they perpetrated a robbery that had happened. APB goes out on the car, gets pulled over 60 miles east in cookeville. Some office cop was out with the regular patrol guys. They've got dad on his knees with guns drawn on him, family trying to keep dog in car (all this from dashboard camera). They tell them he's just a puppy, etc, family is scared to death. Puppy jumps out, bounds around like a normal puppy; tounge lollng out, bouncing around with tail wagging. office cop squeals like a little girl and blows the dog away, right in front of the young boy. I think they did get a civil settlement out of it, but as a matter of law, no harm to officer.
118 posted on 10/29/2006 6:57:28 AM PST by jdub
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To: elkfersupper

Boring stuff. You are not getting your way on this.

Courts have done enough damage as it is.
Social issues shoud be decided by the people not the courts and pro drug zealots.


119 posted on 10/29/2006 8:09:08 AM PST by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: elkfersupper

The Big Mac analogy does not work.

One is a food and the other is a drug - drugs, including THC, have been identified, categorized, and regulated for eons...all over the world...except in Waziristan, which is where you should go to smoke it.


120 posted on 10/29/2006 8:14:08 AM PST by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: spanalot
TyrannasaurusNarx

Good one.

121 posted on 10/29/2006 8:26:45 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: jdub
They should just identify the mail sewage drain from the house and block it at the house, or trailer. That is so easy to do, takes little time and can be done under cover.

They want to break in.

122 posted on 10/29/2006 8:33:10 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Axhandle

If you've been suckered into wasting your time, WHO'S the moron again????


123 posted on 10/29/2006 3:45:50 PM PST by dcwusmc (The government is supposed to fit the Constitution, NOT the Constitution fit the government!)
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To: eleni121
Social issues shoud be decided by the people not the courts and pro anti drug zealots.

There, all fixed.

124 posted on 10/29/2006 5:47:23 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

The people ARE anti drug zealots, dummy.


125 posted on 10/29/2006 10:03:03 PM PST by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: traviskicks

They killed another dog? What is wrong with these swat teams?


126 posted on 10/29/2006 10:13:37 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Wolfie

Society truly is a safer place.....god bless our swat teams.


127 posted on 10/30/2006 12:09:02 AM PST by Nate505
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To: eleni121
The people ARE anti drug zealots, dummy.

An increasing number are not, genius.

128 posted on 10/30/2006 9:32:41 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

We shall see over the coming years.

We shall see if the American citizenry is willing to give up their freedom not to be surrounded by THC zombies.

Americans have so far let the courts decide on abortion...and we see a genocide taking place before our very eyes. I don't think that they are willing to make another serious error in allowing the degradation and zombification of the population to THC and or other drugs.


129 posted on 10/30/2006 9:56:27 AM PST by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: EEDUDE

"Second that. In addition the WOD is funding/building the richest criminal empire in history.

Jeez, you'd think someone in Washington would remember Al Capone, Prohibition, and all that stuff.

It didn't work the first time. Why is it going to be any better the second time?"




Prohibition worked very well the first time around, and it's even more profitable now.

Memories are excellent in Washington.


130 posted on 10/30/2006 9:59:56 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: eleni121
We shall see over the coming years.

Yes, we will.

We shall see if the American citizenry is willing to give up regain their freedom not to be surrounded by THC zombies armed ninja-clad jackbooted thugs from various police departments and alphabet agencies.

You had this exactly backwards, so I fixed it.

131 posted on 10/30/2006 10:10:50 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Axhandle

Dude, is that somebody's arm?? /s


132 posted on 10/30/2006 10:11:54 AM PST by RedRightReturn (Even a broken clock is right twice a day...)
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To: AnnaZ
Well, as a Texan, I for one feel safer now.


133 posted on 10/30/2006 10:14:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (I love you.... but not in a gay way.)
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To: elkfersupper; eleni121
The Sugar Land Police Department declined an on-camera interview, but they are defending their actions, saying they followed protocol to the letter.

You can bet that this statement is true!

What they call 'protocol', others, in other times and places, have called "special administrative procedures" or "liquidating social enemies".

Recidivist Koolaid abusers such as e121 don't give a rat's *ss about this, providing their own meal ticket continues to be punched.

The Soviet experience is unfortunately all too apt in assessing American do-gooder politics, especially the whipped-up hysteria surrounding drugs, kin to the Stalinist era campaigns against "wreckers, saboteurs, and other anti-social elements".

134 posted on 10/30/2006 10:16:00 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: eleni121
Americans have so far let the courts decide on abortion...and we see a genocide taking place before our very eyes. I don't think that they are willing to make another serious error in allowing the degradation and zombification of the population to THC and or other drugs.

The "courts" got their education in living document revisionism crammed down their throats by FDR and the New Deal Congress. The drug war is based on that same doctrine. If the American citizenry "voted for" the New Deal, and the expansion of federal power including the drug war under a bastardized Commerce Clause, then they "voted for" abortion.

135 posted on 10/30/2006 10:23:33 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Sugar Land is pretty upscale.

The only trailers I know of are the huge Silver Streaks and Airstreams, most of them nicer than my current house, being pulled by big SUVs.


136 posted on 10/30/2006 10:27:09 AM PST by Xenalyte (Viva Espaņa!)
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To: headsonpikes
Memories are excellent in Washington.

They remember that under Prohibion the Treasury Department got lots of money and hardware, and got to hire lots of people to enforce it.

137 posted on 10/30/2006 10:28:35 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: jdub

I remember that incident. There are far too many of these incidents I read every week.

This story never explained how officers found "traces of cocaine and marijuana" in the trash. Do these weekend warriors go around digging through people's trash now?

We can't arrest and deport millions of illegal aliens here commiting crimes, or solve murders, etc., because we are busy digging in people's trash looking for a marijuana cigarette and shooting people's dogs?

Something is wrong here.


138 posted on 10/30/2006 10:37:13 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: GLH3IL
The real issue here is if these folks had NOT been involved with drugs, they would not have been in the situation they are in.

You know, I'd really LIKE to believe that that's an absolute...but I just can't bring myself to believe it.

139 posted on 10/30/2006 10:41:44 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: GLH3IL
But if facts are developed that would lead a reasonable person to believe that there would be a danger to police in executing the warrant....then I have no problems with them doing what they had to do to stay safe. If that means shooting a dog, so be it. If that means using flash bangs and kicking in doors, so be it.

Why stop there? I mean, if safety is your primary concern, there are stiffer measures that can be taken.

140 posted on 10/30/2006 10:51:35 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Cheapskate

I used to have a 6-pound toy poodle who thought she was a Rotweiller.

If armed men with face masks kicked my door in she would have been all over them. Guess she would have been shot.

You should have seen her on Halloween, when the kids would come trick or treatin. She would go into convulsions.


141 posted on 10/30/2006 10:52:12 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: tacticalogic

There is no law so odious nor no police agency so reprehensible that place-seekers would not trample their mothers in a mad scramble to secure a position at the "public servant" trough.

In the mouths of this prohibitionist rabble, "It's the law" translates roughly into "That's my cash."


142 posted on 10/30/2006 10:58:20 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: GLH3IL
Did they have intel of weapons? Did they have intel of significant amounts of drugs being present? So they shot the dog...did the dog attack one of the officers? If so, there is why you have a dead dog.

I've read a more detailed account of this story where the police chief said they used the amount of force they did because they weren't sure if there was any weapons in the house but they didn't want to take any chances. No, the dog didn't attack but it charged and scared the officer terribly - you know how vicious those goldens are, they'll have you down & licked within an inch of your life with that razor sharp tongue of theirs.

I don't like drugs, but this sounds like a bunch of overzealous cops who are too embarrassed to admit they made a mistake. You don't raid houses for a couple of joints, this would just get you a ticket in a lot of places.

143 posted on 10/30/2006 11:00:53 AM PST by Smittie
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To: eleni121
The people ARE anti drug zealots, dummy.

Hey el...Heinrich Himmler called...he said you're on for the 27th. You'll be speaking right after the frauleins in the fishnet stockings, and you'll be followed by the act with the trained Alsatians (the dogs, liebchen, not the people...all the trained people from Alsace are already in the Volkssturm, or dead).

Herr Himmler says he's looking forward to it. He seems to think you could make quite a contribution to the Reich.

144 posted on 10/30/2006 11:08:29 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: girlangler

So you're into fishin too! there's very little in the that can beat that feeling.


145 posted on 10/30/2006 1:03:42 PM PST by Cheapskate ( Preserve your freedom! ! Slap down the NANNY STATE!)
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To: Cheapskate

I love to fish. It is a way of life for me, and part of my job.


146 posted on 10/30/2006 2:28:41 PM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: girlangler

Do you guide of something?


147 posted on 10/30/2006 3:10:05 PM PST by Cheapskate ( Preserve your freedom! ! Slap down the NANNY STATE!)
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To: AD from SpringBay
The police broke into a friends home - they were looking for a man whose mother lived a few houses down from hers. Luckily she had enough presence of mind to get her dogs into the cellar before she answered the door to a swat team.

She told the police "Everyone knows he's in Florida and his mother lives down the street". She asked what they would have done if she hadn't put the dogs away and was cooly told they would have been shot.

That would have been a error on their part with a 'that's regrettable' type of non-apology and no recourse for the misidentified target.Totally unacceptable.

148 posted on 10/30/2006 3:26:24 PM PST by chit*chat
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To: Cheapskate

No, I fish and write stories about it, often exagerated ones (but, hey, that's fishing right?).


149 posted on 10/30/2006 3:47:59 PM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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