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Women says police went too far in drug raid
abc13.com ^ | 10/25/06 | Mark Garay

Posted on 10/28/2006 11:27:01 AM PDT by traviskicks

A Sugar Land woman says police went too far when they burst into her home and arrested her boyfriend and son on drug charges. The raid left her dog dead and caused thousands of dollars in damage.

"It was bang, bang, bang, then there was a boom as they broke the door in, threw the fire grenade, and then shot the dog," said homeowner Margot Allen. "This all happened in anywhere from five to fifteen seconds."

That's how Allen's son and boyfriend describe what happened that day. Sugar Land police acted on a tip. They say they found traces of marijuana and cocaine in her trash after a month-long investigation.

"There's no crack done in my house," she said. "There's occasional marijuana in my house. I don't do it because I don't happen to like it."

Based on the evidence in the trash, a regional SWAT team arrived at the home. Police say they knocked, waited 30 seconds, and then broke in with guns and a concussion grenade. The house suffered $5,000 damage and one officer shot and killed Margot's golden lab, Shadow, when police say it charged toward one of the officers. What did officers find inside?

"A joint half the size of my pinky fingernail and then one about this big," she said, showing a length on her finger. "And not anywhere near this big around."

The Sugar Land Police Department declined an on-camera interview, but they are defending their actions, saying they followed protocol to the letter.

The department says it was determined that the bust would be of a moderate risk. Even though they had no specific threat, they were prepared for firearms in the house and felt obligated to anticipate any resistance or violence. They say killing the dog was regrettable. They also say Allen's boyfriend has a history of drug convictions. But for Allen, it was overkill.

"They treated us like we were terrorists," she said. "They broke the door down. They shot my dog. They set my house on fire."

Both Allen's son and her boyfriend were charged with a Class B misdemeanor for that small amount of marijuana. That's punishable by up to six months in the county jail or a maximum $2,000 fine. Both of them will be in court on January 9.


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1 posted on 10/28/2006 11:27:04 AM PDT by traviskicks
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2 posted on 10/28/2006 11:27:44 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: traviskicks

But heck, they got that half a joint off the streets.


3 posted on 10/28/2006 11:28:36 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: traviskicks

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4 posted on 10/28/2006 11:30:05 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: traviskicks
Both Allen's son and her boyfriend were charged with a Class B misdemeanor for that small amount of marijuana.

That is what they get for not having Willie Nelson around.
5 posted on 10/28/2006 11:32:30 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Wolfie
The dog shooting part almost always reveals the true intention of the officers ~ that's what they came for; that's what they got.

You'd think they could stop by the pound and pick up some strays to practice with but they don't.

6 posted on 10/28/2006 11:32:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: traviskicks

I don't appear too often on the drug war threads - though they are interesting reading. My question is: is it now protocol to shoot the dog? In these stories where the people own a dog, the dog ends up dead. And then, when I read the threads about people being cruel to animals - some become rabid (not really trying to sound punny) and say the people who are cruel to animals should be treated the same, sent to the lower regions of hell, etc... Just an observation or two.


7 posted on 10/28/2006 11:33:15 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: traviskicks

The police should really plant a nice sized back of cocaine in the house when this happens. Otherwise they end up looking stupid, and we can't have that. Plant the coke boys, and never shoot the dog.


8 posted on 10/28/2006 11:34:06 AM PDT by Jaysun (Let's not ruin this moment with words.)
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To: traviskicks
Well, as a Texan, I for one feel safer now.
9 posted on 10/28/2006 11:34:19 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: traviskicks

Boy I feel so much safer now. Several strands of weed taken off the illegal drug market. Whoopee!


10 posted on 10/28/2006 11:34:32 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: traviskicks

TyrannasaurusNarx


11 posted on 10/28/2006 11:35:30 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: P-40
That is what they get for not having Willie Nelson around.

You beat me to it.

12 posted on 10/28/2006 11:35:42 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: traviskicks

"When I called for help, I asked them to be NICE, maybe we could have a little chat and be sure to bring cookies." Expectations, disappointments.


13 posted on 10/28/2006 11:36:38 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Jaysun
The police should really plant a nice sized back of cocaine in the house when this happens.

They used to do that, just to justify the carnage. Then they discovered we'd sit still for whatever they do no matter what's found, or even if nothing's found at all.

14 posted on 10/28/2006 11:36:40 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: traviskicks
This reminded me of some recent news footage from a drug bust.
15 posted on 10/28/2006 11:36:49 AM PDT by Axhandle
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To: traviskicks
"they are defending their actions, saying they followed protocol to the letter."

They need to either defend their actions better or change the protocol.

I'd like to know that the police had a legitimate reason to use that kind of violence in the course of a misdemeanor arrest. Maybe they did, but none is mentioned in the article.

16 posted on 10/28/2006 11:37:13 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: traviskicks

The ATF and Texas dont mix. Time to "redeploy" the ATF and DEA?


17 posted on 10/28/2006 11:37:48 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (This is a race for rubber ducks, not meat ducks! Product the tech! ~ Homer Simpson~)
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To: traviskicks

If those SWAT guys dont get to kick in doors every coupla days or so they start getting restless. The excuse for these raids is that if they dont swoop in, the dopers will flush the evidence. Ok. So maybe they should have to try knocking on the door, and then after they get off by flushing the first time, they can come back next week and shoot the dog?


18 posted on 10/28/2006 11:38:08 AM PDT by jdub
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To: AnnaZ

I'm with the Texan. The SWAT team never has come rampaging into MY home. And just perhaps the dog threatened them.

Crime, chaos vs Law 'n Order.


19 posted on 10/28/2006 11:38:35 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: traviskicks

"Based on the evidence in the trash, a regional SWAT team arrived at the home."

Now I know how to get back at the neighbors with the all night barking dog.


20 posted on 10/28/2006 11:39:00 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: traviskicks

I am not a believer in legalizing drugs. But this certainly seems like overkill to me.

Also, I hate to say it, but this poor woman is foolish to admit ANYTHING to the police or reporters without a lawyer's advice. Fine, she wasn't smoking, but she admits she knew it was in the house. Even that could get her in trouble.

Maybe she needs a new boyfriend and needs to build a more stable situation in which to bring up her son. And her poor dog.


21 posted on 10/28/2006 11:41:43 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Wolfie
They used to do that, just to justify the carnage. Then they discovered we'd sit still for whatever they do no matter what's found, or even if nothing's found at all.

Okay. An exception needs to be made for those that sit still. Maybe just plant some child porn for those folks and save the cocaine for anyone that gets "froggy".
22 posted on 10/28/2006 11:42:17 AM PDT by Jaysun (Let's not ruin this moment with words.)
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To: bboop

I think she was being sarcastic.


23 posted on 10/28/2006 11:42:43 AM PDT by winodog
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To: Sam Cree
I'd like to know that the police had a legitimate reason to use that kind of violence in the course of a misdemeanor arrest. Maybe they did, but none is mentioned in the article.

Yes, exactly.

This "ABC13" article goes out of its way to say what was found. No mention of what was reasonably expected to be found.

It's a MSM article. It leaves a lot to be desired. I can't come to a conclusion based on its incompleteness.

Apparently some Freepers (not you)can.

24 posted on 10/28/2006 11:47:38 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: traviskicks
Reno Sugar Land 911
25 posted on 10/28/2006 11:48:29 AM PDT by monkfan
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To: rawcatslyentist

His shirt says:
"Alchol Tabacco and Firearms should be a convience store, not a government agency." lol
26 posted on 10/28/2006 11:48:45 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: Wolfie
Yep, this so called drug war has been the greatest corrupter of the police in US history. Some end up on the take and other have an excuse to abuse the publics rights. And to the extent is really does fund terrorism around the world is because the US kept Phillip Morris etal out of the business decades ago.
27 posted on 10/28/2006 11:48:52 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Wolfie

and the cops went home safe!


28 posted on 10/28/2006 11:49:07 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: traviskicks
and one officer shot and killed Margot's golden lab, Shadow, when police say it charged toward one of the officers.

What will the pit bull haters say now? LOL!

29 posted on 10/28/2006 11:50:31 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: bboop
I'm with the Texan. The SWAT team never has come rampaging into MY home.

send me your address and we can fix that right away. Seriously though, all it takes is a grudge from a neighbor, ex, coworker you beat out for a promotion, anything. Lace your garbage with some drugs, phone in an anonymous tip to the police that you are a dealer, and you too can have masked, armed men destroy your house. I hope you aren't a gun owner with fast reflexes who, knowing he/she is innocent of criminal activity, assumes the armed men are criminals and tries to defend him/herself.

That happened here not too long ago (TN). Cops got the address wrong, broke into an elderly couple's home, and the man was shot dead trying to defend his wife. Oh well, so sorry. We were following protocol, after all.

30 posted on 10/28/2006 11:51:02 AM PDT by jdub
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What we don't know is what the police had for intel before they entered the house. Did they have intel of weapons? Did they have intel of significant amounts of drugs being present? So they shot the dog...did the dog attack one of the officers? If so, there is why you have a dead dog.

The real issue here is if these folks had NOT been involved with drugs, they would not have been in the situation they are in. The police had a valid search warrant, that was based upon a specifice set of facts that gave a judge sufficient belief that it was proper to issue asearch warrant. This is no different that the US invasion of Iraq. We had a specific set of facts, generally accepted and recognized by Dims and Republicans alike, that gave us a credible justification, along with UN Sanctions, to invade Iraq and remove Saddam from power. While some things are not exactly as we had expected, the reasons for our invasion remain solid. If Hussein has cooperated with the UN and the US to allow unfettered inspections, then perhaps he may haf retained his power...but he didn't...just as those post heads chose to keep weed in their house. Sorry....the cops were doing their damned job....


31 posted on 10/28/2006 11:54:53 AM PDT by GLH3IL (Truth: The remedy for liberalism.)
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To: traviskicks
Want a bumper sticker that Thomas Jefferson would have approved of?


GOVERNMENT IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN *ANY* DRUG!
32 posted on 10/28/2006 11:56:15 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: traviskicks

The house suffered $5,000 damage...

In other words the single wide was totaled.


33 posted on 10/28/2006 11:56:24 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: traviskicks

"They treated us like we were terrorists," she said. "They broke the door down. They shot my dog. They set my house on fire."

Welcome to America...land of the FREE


34 posted on 10/28/2006 11:57:48 AM PDT by takenoprisoner
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So if someone accuses you of some crime, say theft, are the police justified in kicking in your door and exploding stun grenades to capture you, or should they have used reasonable means to determine whether in fact any basis for the charge exists?


35 posted on 10/28/2006 11:58:43 AM PDT by jdub
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

heh heh... I like it.


36 posted on 10/28/2006 12:00:42 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: traviskicks
It's been a while since I've seen one of the war on drug threads. The condescending attitude toward the police is a little disgusting. Police officers put their lives on the line everyday in an attempt to separate society from the murderers, rapists, theives, and frauds would do us harm, with the exception of those who hold public office. Here, they're derided as irresponsible thrill-seekers.

The police have a responsibility to enforce laws, whether the laws are sound or not. Marijuana and cocaine are illegal to own or possess. We may not like it, but the police do have a responsibility to enforce this, to the best of their ability, within the guidelines set forth by the policies of their departments, in accordance with the limitations set upon them by public officials. I no more fault the individual officers execting the raid then I fault any Soldier in Iraq who causes damage to a home when conducting a raid. The individual officers who execute raids like this, just like our Soldiers, do not make the rules.

Does it not seem rather self-evident that when you engage in the activity that the woman admits was occuring in her home that you put yourself at risk for incidents like this, especially if the "man" of the home has a history of drug use and the police had reason to believe that this was not going to be a low risk entry? Regardless of whether the law is just or unjust, you've got to use some common sense when considering what risk you are putting yourself at. I have lived in places where owning a firearm was illegal, but I chose to own one anyway. In those cases, I realized that I was doing something that, while I thought it morally and ethically pure, was illegal. And I knew that carried some risk with it. If the local constabulary had known that I was in possession of a firearm and saw fit to raid my dwelling, it seemed self-evident that they would come in with weapons at the ready. While I would have held a position of absolute moral superiority in complaining about the law, I would not have been in much of a position to complain about the actions of those enforcing it.

37 posted on 10/28/2006 12:02:56 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: traviskicks

Thats pretty pathetic. The police in that area must not have very much to do.


38 posted on 10/28/2006 12:04:02 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: traviskicks

There's another one that reads "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms" in the front and in the back it says "Sounds like a party...who's bringing the chips?".


39 posted on 10/28/2006 12:05:52 PM PDT by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Nice! Not sure I would put it on my car though. I would get pulled over about 5 times a day and my house would end up like the one in the article!


40 posted on 10/28/2006 12:10:10 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

You got that right.


41 posted on 10/28/2006 12:19:03 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: traviskicks

Land of the free, my ass...


42 posted on 10/28/2006 12:22:29 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: Axhandle

Can you explain to me why the police need to wear black ski masks when they make these raids? Why don't the officers making traffic stops wear them?


43 posted on 10/28/2006 12:22:59 PM PDT by jdub
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To: jdub

If the police have a search warrant, know I have weapons in the house (which I do), and have some reason to expect a violent response to their entry. But comparing entry into a home for theft, is often a whole different thing then entering a home looking for drugs. Where drugs are involved the likelyhood of armed resistance is significantly higher. Again, if the police had credible information that they might encounter armed suspects that would likely resist with gun fire....the tactics they used are totally proper.

It sounds like they used a no knock entry....which to me implies they were expecting armed resistance along with a strong concern about evidence being destroyed.

Just because a raid doesn't turn up everything you are looking for doesn't mean the raid was carried out improperly. There are many factors that are outside of the control of the police that can have an impact on the success of such a raid, not the least of which is someone tipping off the bad guys so they have time to get rid of evidece, so they can claim they were poor victims of an overy aggressive police force.

To condem the police, as many of you seem do be doing, without knowing more about the subject, is just wrong.


44 posted on 10/28/2006 12:23:24 PM PDT by GLH3IL (Truth: The remedy for liberalism.)
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To: GLH3IL

"Sorry....the cops were doing their damned job...."

Sorry we killed your dog mam, we were just doin our job snuffing out uhm uhmmm I mean sniffing out a pot smoker to kill maim mutilate or anything within his range. Just be thankful you weren't home mam. Heck we might have snuffed you too.

Well, we gotta go now. It's time to head off to the local LEO watering hole to celebrate another successful raid. Got some serious beer drinkin and some high fivin to do. Still, sorry about your dog, course it's better off now you know, and so is Sugarland with your pot smokin boyfriend and son behind bars for a few hours. Yea, that's right mam, we are human too. Hey, you can probably get another golden lab down at the shelter. You should check with them.

See Ya!


45 posted on 10/28/2006 12:23:32 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: Axhandle

I don't think one can infer that those against the failed WOD (War on Drugs) are against or disrespectful of cops. IMO, there are good and bad cops just like there are good and bad people from all stripes and backgrounds. Personally, I have a great deal of respect for the police. It is the laws that I'm against and it is horrible that government puts the police in a position of enforcing immoral laws. Pointing out abuses under the law and the ridiculousness of various actions of the police is not done to attack the police, but the law.


46 posted on 10/28/2006 12:24:35 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: traviskicks

The police did the right thing. They arrested drug uses/dealers. Change the laws to allow crack and marijuana use if you don't like it.

That will never happen.


47 posted on 10/28/2006 12:26:00 PM PDT by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: mc6809e

Land of the free, my ass...




Land of the law. Don't like it? Move to Waziristan.


48 posted on 10/28/2006 12:27:43 PM PDT by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: muawiyah

If I had shot a police dog...it would be just like shooting a real cop.

Why shouldn't this dog and this circumstance be reciprocal against the cop that shot the dog?


49 posted on 10/28/2006 12:28:36 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: jdub
I agree with GLH3IL, a JUDGE issued the warrant, the Police executed the warrant, if you have a problem take it up with the JUDGE.
50 posted on 10/28/2006 12:29:39 PM PDT by Peacekeeper357 (Seemed like the thing to do at the time.)
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