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Ortega poised for return to power in Nicaragua
The Daily Telegraph ^ | October 31, 2006 | Sophie Arie

Posted on 10/30/2006 10:57:31 PM PST by MadIvan

Daniel Ortega, the former leader of the Left-wing Sandinistas in Nicaragua and one of the United States' most reviled Cold War enemies, appears to be on the brink of making a spectacular comeback.

Twenty years after his Sandinista government fought a bitter civil war against American-funded ''Contra" rebels, he is leading in the polls for the presidential elections on Sunday.

But now he has ''found God" and talks of ''peace and love" not Marxist-Leninist ideals. In a final frenzy of campaigning, the podgy, balding 60-year-old, is spreading what he calls a "spiritual revolution", "full of love and hope" around this country, the second poorest in Latin America, after Haiti.

"Thanks to God, the Supreme Creator, whose message always was for the Nicaraguans to love each other," he shouted to a euphoric crowd in the Laureles Sur "barrio" slum of Managua. "We want work and peace," he went on, holding his arms up like an Evangelical preacher.

On his third attempt to win back power after losing it to conservatives for the past 16 years, Mr Ortega is offering himself as "the solution" for almost every walk of Nicaraguan life.

Without explaining how, he promises to provide jobs, improve human rights and turn Nicaragua into the most developed country in the region.

Several indigenous communities who were forced to flee during his 1979 to 1990 government, Contra fighters who fought a bitter civil war against the Sandinistas and members of the Catholic Church, which he once accused of collaborating with the CIA, have all been "converted" and now openly support the man they once hated.

"Ortega is just saying whatever he can to every group, to win their votes," said Sofia Montenegro, a sociologist and the director of Cinco a Managua-based think tank. "There is nothing left of the revolutionary man. Now it is just pure opportunism. He is a political pendulum, ready to say whatever people want to hear. He has no scruples."

As the vote approaches, Washington has made clear its discomfort.

"We've made clear we want to have a close, positive, constructive relationship with Nicaragua, and up to this point that's been reciprocated," Thomas Shannon, the assistant Secretary of State, told Newsweek.

"I'm not sure that would be the case with Daniel Ortega."

Human rights campaigners, including Nicaraguan-born Bianca Jagger, have warned that Ortega's human rights record is far from squeaky clean. He is accused of presiding over "disappearances" and imprisonment of thousands of political opponents.

While large numbers, perhaps even the majority of the 5.5 million population, are against Ortega, their vote is likely to fragment among four different parties, giving the Sandinista leader a chance of a victory in the first round of voting. Under a recent change to electoral law, a party wins if it secures 35 percent of the vote, with a five percent lead.

"He is going to win, thank God," said Arodys Villega, 54, a diedhard Sandinista supporter whose son died aged 15 fighting against the Contras. "Until now we have had democracy only for the bourgeois. The poor have remained poor. Daniel will change that. Nicaragua is going to be blessed by him."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: childmolestor; contras; election; evil; nicaragua; sandinistas; sunglasses
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Where's President Reagan when we need him?

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 10/30/2006 10:57:31 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Mrs Ivan; odds; DCPatriot; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; mtngrl@vrwc; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/30/2006 10:57:46 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

I didn't even know that sh*thead was still kicking.


3 posted on 10/30/2006 10:59:42 PM PST by miliantnutcase ("If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -ichabod1)
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To: MadIvan

FYI...Ortega is staunchly pro-life and has promised to outlaw abortion in absolutely every case (eliminating rape, incest, and health and life of mother exceptions).


4 posted on 10/30/2006 11:00:33 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: MadIvan
  John Kerry and Tom Harkin has always been a big supporter of every Communist dictator who has come down the pike:


5 posted on 10/30/2006 11:01:35 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: MadIvan

6 posted on 10/30/2006 11:01:45 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: george76

lol!


7 posted on 10/30/2006 11:02:05 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: MadIvan
FYI...
The measure, expected to be approved by President Enrique Bolaños, was voted in 52 to 0, with 9 abstentions and 29 representatives not showing up to vote.

Nicaragua joins El Salvador and Chile as the only countries in the Western hemisphere to ban abortion without exception. But across Latin America, abortion is outlawed except in rare circumstances. It is readily available only in Cuba and a few English-speaking Caribbean countries.

The ban in Nicaragua comes two weeks before a hotly contested presidential election on Nov. 5, and opponents of the law say it was introduced now because no one dared to oppose it in the political climate.

“The presidential election is so polarized that the church saw this as an opportunity to force this issue now,” Dr. Mirma Cunningham, a former minister of health and member of the National Assembly, said in a telephone interview.

The measure was supported by Daniel Ortega, the front-runner in the presidential race. He favored the right to an abortion during his presidency in the 1980’s but has since embraced the Roman Catholic Church and has spoken out strongly against abortion.
Source: New York Times


8 posted on 10/30/2006 11:03:13 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: sageb1

great minds thinking the same

8-)


9 posted on 10/30/2006 11:04:12 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Alter Kaker
I have difficulty trusting Communists.

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 10/30/2006 11:04:38 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Who said anything about trusting him?


11 posted on 10/30/2006 11:05:17 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker

Oh that will make me change my opinion right away. /s


12 posted on 10/30/2006 11:06:07 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: MadIvan

You and me too, Ivan.


13 posted on 10/30/2006 11:07:00 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Alter Kaker

So do you support him or not? Sure sounds like it.


14 posted on 10/30/2006 11:07:49 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: MadIvan

Democracy is always vulnerable to a skilled demagogue.

George Will-style polite and passive conservatism will never succeed.

We need strong leadership willing to call a Liberal Democrat a traitor.

But in the meantime, VOTE REPUBLICAN if you want to continue to breathe.


15 posted on 10/30/2006 11:09:22 PM PST by Stallone ("Ridicule is the Best Test of Truth" - Earl of Shaftesbury)
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To: MadIvan

"I shouldn't say I hope you win because they will accuse me of sticking my nose into Nicaraguan internal affairs," Chavez quipped to former Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega, who joined him on his weekly television show. "But I hope you win."

Not a good sign.


16 posted on 10/30/2006 11:11:06 PM PST by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.)
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To: ozzymandus
So do you support him or not? Sure sounds like it.

No, of course not. I thought it was exceptionally odd he of all people is now more pro-life than just about anybody in the West, and I'd wonder what John Kerry would say of his hero now. In any event, Nicaraguan politics are very strange to me.

17 posted on 10/30/2006 11:19:43 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: ozzymandus
So do you support him or not?

...not that I have a dog in this election, not being Nicaraguan or anything...

18 posted on 10/30/2006 11:20:35 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: MadIvan

This is real sick stuff. Oliver North and Co should bow out of this, they are splitting the oppposition. It's too late to campaign now to be arguing about who should oppose Ortega, right now they should be flipping a coin as to who runs against Ortega. Because the stakes are that high. They should vote for a bum on the streets if they have to. ANYTHING - ANYTHING would be better than Ortega.


19 posted on 10/30/2006 11:35:35 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: Alter Kaker

That's what he says NOW. While he still wants Nicaraguans' vote. Back in Sandinista times, he INTRODUCED ABORTION - in a country that had never known it before. He is a certified liar and it's an absolute certainly that he will bring back abortion, especially when the International Sandalista Left gets after him. Guaranteed.


20 posted on 10/30/2006 11:38:10 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: Alter Kaker
"Ortega is staunchly pro-life and has promised to outlaw abortion in absolutely every case (eliminating rape, incest, and health and life of mother exceptions)."

Uh huh. And when is Ortega going to start doing time for the rape of his step daughter?

Anybody who believes a single word this monster says, deserves whatever Ortega serves up.

21 posted on 10/30/2006 11:40:52 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: MadIvan
I know I'll get flamed for this, but when you "nation build", you are supposed to build a nation. We got what we wanted and then left. They have been struggling for decades down there with little help. If we had just sent a little help their way, maybe they would be more democratic. About a third of all illegals are Hondurans, Guatemalans, or Nicaraguans. I just had some redo my roof and the Mexicans and Nicaraguans don't get along.

When the contras won, the US packed up and left them to their own troubles. Their country was a wreck. It's not much better today. The best thing they have going now is tourism and ex-pats buying land. That will dry up if Ortega comes back.

22 posted on 10/30/2006 11:58:32 PM PST by chuckles
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To: MadIvan; StJacques

FYI Ping


23 posted on 10/31/2006 1:44:46 AM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: MadIvan
Maybe this is legit. After all, some of the staunchest conservatives were once hard core Marxists that came to the truth. Thomas Sowell bump...
24 posted on 10/31/2006 2:14:25 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: chuckles

Then this is the object lesson for the RATS and anyone else who wants us to just get of out Dodge.


25 posted on 10/31/2006 3:16:58 AM PST by Dahoser (God bless our troops and at home defenders.)
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To: Alter Kaker

So what's he doing trotting around with Hugo Chavez? Hugo Chavez has censored the Catholic Church -- and they are fighting his regime with everything they've got.


26 posted on 10/31/2006 3:20:17 AM PST by Alia
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To: MadIvan

Expect to see President Peanut hot-foot it down there to hastily declare Ortega the winner and the election legitimate. Another communist dictator puppet-feather in ol' Jimmah's cap.


27 posted on 10/31/2006 3:39:49 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Motto of the Democrat party: If we can't rule America, we fully intend to ruin America.)
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To: Peach; Mo1

disturbing ping


28 posted on 10/31/2006 3:40:57 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Motto of the Democrat party: If we can't rule America, we fully intend to ruin America.)
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To: MadIvan

That thug Ortega should have been terminated with extreme prejudice 20 years ago.


29 posted on 10/31/2006 3:41:27 AM PST by cloud8
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To: MadIvan
"Now it is just pure opportunism. He is a political pendulum,
ready to say whatever people want to hear. He has no scruples."

"Man that turns me on...If he were a she I'd consider mowing the lawn"!


30 posted on 10/31/2006 3:42:11 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: prairiebreeze

I wonder if Kerry will support Ortega this time around? Now that Ortega is claiming he's pro life (LOL), maybe Kerry will find his views repugnant.


31 posted on 10/31/2006 3:56:35 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: MadIvan
Crosslink to: Robert D. Novak: Sandinistas get another useful idiot
32 posted on 10/31/2006 4:14:06 AM PST by Alia
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To: MadIvan

Jimmah Cahwattah! Call your office!


33 posted on 10/31/2006 4:14:55 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: Peach

He'll say whatever seems right at the time to support his old buddy, then later deny he said it. I wondered the exact same thing, btw, LOL!


34 posted on 10/31/2006 4:22:12 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Motto of the Democrat party: If we can't rule America, we fully intend to ruin America.)
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To: prairiebreeze

I'm going to go the other way on this. I think the man actually found Jesus when the Communists abandoned him after what Reagan did.

Many of these leaders were awestruck by the power, money and influence that Communism brought them. I think that Castro is the last of the true Communists.

Ortega ran in elections and became part of the political process. Granted he lost because his country rejected the ideology he once supported. The Church is a powerful thing.

Use Reagans motto on this one. "Trust but Verify"


35 posted on 10/31/2006 4:57:20 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Obama in 08)
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To: MadIvan
But now he has ''found God" and talks of ''peace and love" not Marxist-Leninist ideals. In a final frenzy of campaigning, the podgy, balding 60-year-old, is spreading what he calls a "spiritual revolution", "full of love and hope" around this country, the second poorest in Latin America, after Haiti.

He sounds like the Dems here in the US running for election

36 posted on 10/31/2006 4:58:59 AM PST by Mo1 (GET OUT AND VOTE - SAY NO TO DEMOCRATS)
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To: prairiebreeze
Expect to see President Peanut hot-foot it down there to hastily declare Ortega the winner and the election legitimate. Another communist dictator puppet-feather in ol' Jimmah's cap.

You're right .. Where is the Nut Carter these days?

37 posted on 10/31/2006 5:04:39 AM PST by Mo1 (GET OUT AND VOTE - SAY NO TO DEMOCRATS)
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To: Dahoser
That's true, but if we decide to build a car plant or some other factory down there, Americans start squawking. So we let them talk about free trade and capitalism, but they have to eat their words and start chanting "Yankee go home".

In Iraq, we haven't done anything yet to get them back to work on a large scale. Ergo, a few malcontents screw everything up.

38 posted on 10/31/2006 8:52:42 AM PST by chuckles
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To: Kitten Festival; proud_yank; Alia; livius; Kenny Bunk; Founding Father; chilepepper; Fiddlstix; ...
". . . They should vote for a bum on the streets if they have to. ANYTHING - ANYTHING would be better than Ortega."

And thus do we arrive at the real national interest of the United States -- stopping the Latin American Left from taking possession of another weakened nation in our own hemisphere. We have no business attempting to "cherry pick" candidates we would like to support in Nicaragua. Our goal is stop Ortega and the FSLN. Whoever stands up to do that is for the Nicarguans to decide among themselves. Trying to make that choice for them is to invite the disaster that is almost upon us now.

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Latin American Left Watch ping here.
39 posted on 10/31/2006 9:55:06 AM PST by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: StJacques
Our goal is stop Ortega and the FSLN

Agreed. Solidly. Concretely. Aggressively. Adamantly.

40 posted on 10/31/2006 9:57:57 AM PST by Alia
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Oops! Typo error in my #39 just posted.

Nicarguans  Nicaraguans
41 posted on 10/31/2006 9:57:58 AM PST by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: AmericaUnited

If it was legit, he wouldn't have Chavez praising him. Look upthread.


42 posted on 10/31/2006 10:17:31 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (People who say there are jobs Americans won't do haven't seen "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: chuckles
If we had just sent a little help their way, maybe they would be more democratic.

You're badly misinformed. We have sent them help, and they are very democratic. The problem is a holdover of the Sandinista regime which still controls a lot of the local political scene and were able to rewrite the election laws so that Ortega could win with a 35% popular vote with no run-off.

As it is right now, Nicaragua is very pro-American. After signing CAFTA, they have reformed their laws and foreign investment is pouring in.

An Ortega victory could alter the direction of the country, but it's not because we turned our backs on them.

43 posted on 10/31/2006 10:27:02 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
"I shouldn't say I hope you win because they will accuse me of sticking my nose into Nicaraguan internal affairs," Chavez quipped to former Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega, who joined him on his weekly television show. "But I hope you win."

Red flag bump.
44 posted on 10/31/2006 10:39:13 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God." (Psalm 53:1))
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To: StJacques

Nuts


45 posted on 10/31/2006 10:53:54 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Time will tell.


46 posted on 10/31/2006 11:24:56 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Motto of the Democrat party: If we can't rule America, we fully intend to ruin America.)
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To: proud_yank

Hugo Chavez is at it again...


47 posted on 10/31/2006 2:14:06 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Mo1

Ortega sounds like Hugo Chavez. Once in power, you can bet he will start acting like Chavez, and will turn to Russia to modernize his army.


48 posted on 10/31/2006 2:14:55 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: MadIvan

One man, one vote, one time.

Watch out, Nicaraguans!


49 posted on 10/31/2006 2:29:16 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Dog Gone
I hope you are right. I looked into buying a business a few years back down there. I just never felt comfortable to jump in. It was hardly a year ago I looked into Ecuador. They looked good, but now I hear they are making a hard left.( riots and burning flags). Ecuador was supposedly like America south in the brochures. A currency collapse made it where a person could live pretty well on a small pension down there. Course, I won't move to Kalifornia for the same reasons, riots and anarchy. Thank God for Texas!

I also have trouble moving to an area that won't allow my gun collection.

50 posted on 10/31/2006 7:18:43 PM PST by chuckles
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