Here, I'll give you provocative:
Posted on 11/02/2006 8:26:18 AM PST by Dominic Harr
In a month of fighting on Iwo Jima, we had over 6,000 dead, 25,000 wounded.
And that was a victory.
And now, many Americans consider 2,500 dead/20,000 wounded over several years to be a loss!?
The only hope for victory the enemy has is American public opinion. We've won all the battles. We kill more of them than they kill of us. We hold most of the territory.
Yet I even see Rs calling this a 'failed' war, and suggesting we can't win.
I doubt many Iraqi soldiers who are risking their lives every day agree that they are engaging in a "cake walk."
your title, and the use of the term "cake walk" is perhaps one of the stupidest fuckin' things I've read on FR in quite some time...let it go...
Mission Accomplished.
Misinterpreted? You mean like Kerry's speech. No, I don't think his words are misinterepreted at all here. He really belives that the Iraq war is akin to an afternoon outing the springtime.
The enemy has never once even threatened to come close to winning a single battle.
That is a cakewalk.
I like the inflamatory nature of this title. I want to get people talking about it, thinking about it. People understood me just fine. But the 'PC' mindset that has infected so many requires qualifiers, soft language, etc.
I want people talking about this, arguing about this.
I don't drink latte, but if it helps you then sip away.
You have done that. We are winning, if the MSM and their Left supporters would let the truth out. The Cut and Run crowd are poison now just like they were during Viet Nam.
PS - I still like ya;)
Er...ahem.
No, that is NOT Politically Correct language.
It is just, plain and simply wrong. As I said, your rhetoric is flawed. I am trying to help you out here.
If someone is killed by having holes drilled in their head, and someone else is killed by being decapitated, does that make the experience of the decapitation victim a "Cake Walk"? No, it doesn't, any more than seeing one of your buddies blown to smithereens by an IED is a cake walk compared to seeing 20 of your buddies blown to pieces by a direct hit from an artillery shell.
MY life is a cake walk compared to someone in combat.
The flaw in your rhetoric is that you think "Cake Walk" is a completely relative term like "better". It is not. I will grant you that a veteran of combat in Tarawa may have thought fighting the Germans in France was a "Cake Walk", but it is his right to make that characterization. Veterans of the European theater would have every right to disagree, and it would be their right to do so.
Good gosh. Why am I having this discussion?
Ask them if they're winning in a cake-walk.
Ask them if the enemy ever once threatens to win.
In a real war you have hundreds of thousands of troops killed on both sides. Civilians, too, get slaughtered if they are on the wrong side. There are shortages, rationing, wage and price controls, blackouts, high taxes, censorship, all kinds of sacrifices required of the populace.
And a military draft.
Now, how many on this site would like to have a real war? Are you ready for all it would entail?
You're resounding victory in your struggle to be disliked is a real "cake walk."
No misinterpretation.
I mean that the enemy has not once threatened to win. That means we're winning in a cakewalk.
Dang -- and I'm trying so hard to be provocative!
Here, I'll give you provocative:
The first post by me made if very, very clear what I am saying.
Compared to Iwo Jima, etc, Iraq is a cake-walk.
Now if people are in a habit of not reading what I say, then that's their problem, isn't it.
I said what I meant, and I meant what I said.
:-)
I think this is mainly a story of folks who read the headline, but didn't bother to read the post!
I clearly said, compared to Iwo Jima, this is a cake walk.
Yet many seem to have read something else entirely into it, and believe I'm disparaging the death and loss.
That makes this thread lively, and gets people thinking.
My work here has been productive.
I think people have been pretty easy on you, as a non-combat vet, calling the experience of those in any degree of combat a "cake walk".
You make the mistake of thinking that because people disagree with your rhetorical "attention getter" device, that they are wrong and you are right.
You are plainly and simply wrong on this. And, I can guarantee you, every single veteran, without exception, would disagree with you on the characterization.
The first post makes clear what I'm saying, no possible misunderstanding.
And yet -- many here did indeed misunderstand!
Very interesting study in online debating.
>Ask that person, "Compared to the trench battles in WWI, did you have it easy in Iraq?"
And you think that they will answer, "Why yes, I did have it easy"?
Could be because "we're winning big" is as facile as "in a cake walk."
Militarily, this enemy has never once threatened to win. That makes it a cake-walk.
Right now, on the ground in Iraq, who's the enemy?
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