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Posted on 11/04/2006 10:37:15 PM PST by chuckles
Well, usually, if I wait long enough, somebody will say what I want said, and bring the topic to a head. Not this time. I've had it with waiting.
Kerry joined the Navy in 1966. You usually join for a 6 year hitch. He got an Honorable Discharge in 1978. Is there anybody out there with any power that has a problem with that? What happened to 1972?
I have written every news organization I can and sent e-mails to reporters until I give up. I went down each show on Fox News, even Cavuto. Nothing, Nada. I wrote the Swift Boat web site and asked them to bring it up in one of their interviews. Nothing.... I don't get it. If I were a hard hitting news reporter that had a chance to interview Kerry, That would be the first question out of my pie hole. The second, of course would be about signing a "180". The third question, just for grins, would be to ask which 7 Senators he voted to assassinate in the VVAW. I have sent the PDF file of the FBI report that shows he was there at that meeting when they took the vote.
Any ideas on how to get this looked into? Before you know it, he will have a committee looking into his 2008 run. He needs to be squashed yesterday, not 4-8 years from now. He should be impeached for treason, if it turns out he got a dishonarable discharge and Carter gave him a "Get out of the Dumpster" pass.
I can't beleive this guy has made it this long, but hey, it's Mass. They have Kennedy and Fwank also. It must be in the water.
I don't think officers get an 'Honorable Discharge'. They 'Resign their Commission'. That time might include Naval Reserve as well.
None of this is any great secret. But if you want truth and justice you had better wait until you reach the hereafter.
As far as 08 is concerned, Kerry was dead before he shot off his mouth. All we can hope for is that he keeps flapping his gums and damages the real contenders.
Yes, and somewhere in the film archives of some network, there's footage of Lurch peeing on a burning American flag. The devil protects his own is my answer to all your questions.
I totally agree with ya...they should have wiped him out long ago. My best guess is that he got a general or dishonorable discharge which was later kicked up to honorable by Jimmeh. He had to have suffered some consequences for his gay paree meetings with the enemy. The fact that he was an officer at the time is striking, he wasn't in charge and he damn sure wasn't assigned to meet with the enemy.
He's completely inept, incapable of leadership and a traitorous swine on top of that. What I would like to know is whether or not the rats will toss him overboard or if they will continue to remain "stuck on stupid" and keep Lurch on while their party runs off the cliff completely. He's only dragging them down further.
If the rats insist on doing nothing, which I predict they will do unless "someone" wrests control of the sinking ship away from whomever's in charge, then they'll live to regret it.
I'd like to see kerry resign in disgrace and go down in flames, but that's just me.
I see it as highly suspicious that son of read my lips no new taxes ran against a known moron in 2000 and against a known traitor in 2004.. How could he NOT BE ELECTED?.. A little to convenient to me.. NO ITs NOT.. its WAY too convienient to me..
And how could Sandy Burgular get away with obvious in your face espionage?..
Many things don't add up.. Like a republican administration openly FOR 20 to 30 million or more prototype democrats invading(insurgents) the United States.. Many of whom WILL VOTE in 2006 and 2008..
Whats more.. many even here on FR could care less.. and refuse to line up the dominoes..
Foggy bottom stinks to high heaven..
4 year hitches are typical for us elnlisted pukes. Academy grads are different. Kery was neither. He was smart.
Kerry "Honorable Discharge"
Google this for a long list of things to read.
Great post. And BUMP for great freeping. Sometimes it seems like we are just banging your heads against the wall. I suspect that Teddy and his big money (or Kerry and HIS big gigolo money) are behind the spike. There is something fishy about Kerry's discharge and there isn't a "journalist" in the country who will investigate it. It makes no sense. If there's one guy who I think would get the answer, it's Christopher Hitchens.
I'm pretty sure Dan Rather would rather not.
I left the Marines after six years and immediately got my Honorable Discharge. Everybody I know who left the service honorably got their Honorable Discharge immediately. Kerry left the service in 1972 and got his "Honorable Discharge" in 1978.... What took six friggin' years?? It's such an obvious question, I cannot believe that after all Kerry's Senate runs and his Presidential campaign, nobody has the answer in 2006.
It staggers the mind. I certainly understand chuckles' frustration.
"Before you know it, he will have a committee looking into his 2008 run. He needs to be squashed yesterday, not 4-8 years from now."
Are you suggesting there is only one party, Hosepipe? Connect the dots for us.
HINT: Recall who was president in 1978, and recall what he did for all the anti-war types that had fled to Canada... It was CARTER and he give them AMNESTY. It isn't too hard to believe that a young Democrat who had been discharged from the Navy under less than honorable condiditons could get his records "corrected" in this environment.
As long as you are asking, look into why some of his awards were re-issued...
These questions will probably never be answered. Military records are protected better than the gold in Ft. Knox. The only way we will ever know the truth is if Kerry fesses up.
The MSM are as treasonous as Kerry. FOX News is about a hair breadth less so than the others. That's their claim to fame. If they weren't why aren't they showing the many successes of our troops in Iraq? They could do an hour show every day on the Iraq war alone showing both our successes and our defeats. IOWs a "fair and balanced" look at what is really happening. It would be a ratings phenomena. They don't. They're liars like the rest with just a taste of "conservative candy."
actually, all he has to do is sign a Form 180 that John O'Neill will provide for him (no funky submission to an off-beat office will suffice, as Kerry tried post 2004)
Hope this isn't too far off topic but Al Gore went in the army on a two year enlistment, that means he was unassigned, with no choices or contracts, yet instead of automatically being sent to combat arms, he was given a highly sought journalist slot.
Another thing, he was transferred to Vietnam with only months remaining in his enlistment, well the army didn't work that way.
The army would only send you to a school or Vietnam if it benefited them, they would not invest that money in you just before you were discharged.
Well, his father was a Senator. He had pull. It was considered de rigeur for a future politician to get some experience in war. So they put him where he would be out of harms way. That's how it's done. No conspiracy there.
I don't think officers get an 'Honorable Discharge'. They 'Resign their Commission'. That time might include Naval Reserve as well.
Officers get Honorable Discharges after resigning their commissions. He may have left active duty in '72 and didn't resign until '78.
John O'Neill addresses these issues in his book "Unfit for Command". It's a great read.
Here is one of those links;
Kerry is not just some politician to me. He is right up there with Jane Fonda in my book. Having a traitor in the Senate is tough for me to take. Having him almost be president was a rough time for me. This guy will draw a pension when he finally retires from the Senate unless he is impeached. I'm 55 years old, so I remember things that younger folks don't have a clue about. How can Carter even peek outside after the debacle of his 4 year reign of terror, but today, he's a statesman? Kennedy will go down as an old patriarch of the Senate, instead of the drunken murderer he is.
If nobody takes care of this stuff now, the history books will paint them as hero's. Kerry is no hero.
That is delicious! ; )
I'd say Kerry's "honorable discharge" is about the equivalent of a G.E.D.
Thanks for the link! I remember reading that back in '04. Lots of speculation, huh?
I remain astounded that such a simple matter has never been fully resolved, and that the question has not been asked point blank, or answered in a straightforward manner by that sick, traitorous scumbag John "King of Comedy" Kerry.
Two sides of the same coin: The Global Elite
Didn't realize I was writing our President's biography, too. Imagine that. Well, maybe Hosepipe had a point.
Clinton won with 42.7% in 1992
Clinton got 49.2% in 1996 which tore him up because he is doomed to be known forever as never having won by a majority.
Remember those percentages when you hear him described as the political genius of our times.
Bush got 47.9% in 2000 and 50.7% in 2004 which will haunt Clinton for the rest of his life because By defeating Gore in 2000 it repudiated Clinton's "legacy", and Bush broke 50%.
Before Clinton it was Reagan 50.7% in 1980, then Reagan an astounding 58.8% in 1984, then Reagan's legacy vote George H. W. Bush 53.4% in 1988.
"Mother, will you tell me again about how I shall be President one day?"
who's picture is that?
Where did you get that picture of me?
When you're dealing with Kerry and liberals; it's tough connecting the dots.
See what I mean?
I think it's John Kerry as a little boy.
(Actually, I just googled "Little Lord Fauntleroy".)
It is a fascinating and disturbing photo.
It is a photo that you would not want someone to show it to you and ask you to commit to an opinion of the boy.
No matter what you are told as to who, or what the boy is, once he is labeled, you will be able to see it in the photograph.
I agree. I have had that photo bookmarked for some time (mainly to use it to make fun of John Kerry) but I have examined it. I suppose it is a very old photo, and I figure that boy grew old and died long ago. It's a disrurbing contemplation. Heck, the kid could have been some normal shlub whose mother saved up some pennies and took him downtown to a studio, had him dressed up with borrowed clothes for the pose, and then had that photo snapped. Then back to the streets he went with his buddies to get dirty playing stickball and steal apples from somebody's cart.
Or maybe the boy was some aristocrat's son who grew up to run the family's bank.
And that will never happen.
No matter what, the boy has presence, charisma.
That boy, no matter where he ended up, seems to be a person of his own, for good or bad, or just someone we can take sides on, like a politician.
I'm glad he was captured on film.
He was an officer, not enlisted. Only enlisted get honorable discharge. Officers have many years in reserve after active service. In this instance there is nothing unusual. Sorry.
I understand your frustration. If it's any consolation, when it comes to being more than a Senator, Kerry's toast. He will never be President, and put his second foot into the grave, so to speak, with that defiant non-apology. It's not as big a millstone as Chappaquiddick, but it's enough to get the job done.
So give us the facts. It is a little hard to believe you just solved one of the great questions, about the democrat candidate of 2004 by pointing out that he was an officer.
"He was an officer, not enlisted. Only enlisted get honorable discharge. Officers have many years in reserve after active service. In this instance there is nothing unusual. Sorry."
I'd like to see kerry resign in disgrace.....That'll never happen. You need a sense of shame to feel disgrace. This hollow buffon has no sense of shame or humor.
I don't know the details in Kerry's instance, but from my own experience I had done my 8 years of Reserve in advance of my AD. So when my AD time was up I just took off the uniform and quit going to work (actually they hired me as a civilian the next week). So the years may add up, if he did his 4 years AD he was obligated to do and then another 8 in reserve. So, the years may not be as big of a deal as you are implying. I in no way mean to support Kerry in anything, I just think this issue is a waste of energy.
Where did you get Karl's election day plan? That's highly classified.
If you notice the date 1978 which his "Honorable Discharge" is dated, that is the time period from the infamous Georgia nutball president's "Amnesty" edict for draft dodgers, etc. This is when Mr. Kerry got his 1972 GD upgraded to Honorable. He's a lying bastard and he won't sign his SF180 because the information in his files will show what I believe is true.
...The final element in Kerry's absolute failure to meet the standards our military deserves in a commander-in-chief, in this retired officer's opinion, is in the factual nature of Kerry's discharge (although I would love for some resourceful citizen find a way to republish and distribute Kerry's radical, anti-American tome The New Soldier -- which my publisher Regnery Publishing has offered to do for free -- and hand it out at the polls on November 2).
As for every veteran, the truth will be found the form DD214, the official Department of Defense document of release from military obligation given to Kerry when he exited military service on July 1, 1972. It is conspicuously absent from the documents released so far. Everyone serving in the military receives a DD214 the day they separate or retire from service. My suspicion along with a growing number of military personnel is that Kerry received an "other than honorable" discharge in the early 1970s as a consequence of his vehement anti-US, anti-military activities with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and his potentially treasonous tête-à-têtes with North Vietnamese Communist officials in Paris. If not, let him release his records. If so, America should demand the release...
With what we do know, Kerry's paperwork doesn't pass the smell test. The few records so far released by his campaign identify FOUR "honorable" discharge dates (every other military member I know, myself included, received one). Kerry's released documentation notes discharges of January 3, 1970, February 16, 1978, July 13, 1978, and, most peculiarly, March 12, 2001. He has as many discharge dates as months he spent in Vietnam. In my twenty years in the Air Force and through the thousands of people I came to know and serve with, I have never heard of anyone in the military having more than one DD 214 with one discharge date. Kerry, according to his own campaign, has at least four.
There are five potential classes of discharge: Honorable, General, Other than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. Why does it matter? It's the sum total of one's military service boiled down in a phrase. Most employers require former military members to attach their DD214 to their employment application. Anything other than "Honorable" is seen as a character flaw. Bad Conduct and Dishonorable obviously are causes for additional concern...
Here's the crux of the confusion. On February 18, 1966, Kerry obligated himself to a six-year commitment to the Navy, and to the tenets of the military judicial system, with an expiration date of July 1, 1972. On January 3, 1970, Kerry asked for, and was granted, an early transfer from his active duty service to the Naval Reserve. As a reservist, he was still under oath as a commissioned officer and subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He still carried a military ID card and was still a member of the U.S. armed forces. Kerry's service commitment came to an end, as scheduled, in July, 1972. As such, a DD Form 214 with a discharge status was due.
Kerry's "honorable" discharge, though, doesn't come until February 16, 1978. Why? Possibly because President Jimmy Carter, through Proclamation 4483, granted a full and complete pardon to all military personnel who committed offenses and violations of the Military Selective Service Act during the Vietnam War. He pardoned deserters, draft dodgers and those who went absent without leave (AWOL).
Interestingly, Kerry's honorable discharge letter from the Department of the Navy, dated February 16, 1978, notes that Kerry's discharge was taken "by direction of the President" and "with the approved recommendations of a board of officers convened under the authority of reference [10 USC Sec. 1163] to examine the official records of officers of the Naval Reserve.." This is extremely unusual. Review boards are not convened for discharges and certainly not "by direction of the President." The "authority of reference," 10 USC Sec. 1163, refers to "the grounds for involuntary separation from the service." What was being reviewed, then, was Kerry's involuntary separation from the service or, more likely, the disposition of his service. This simply would not have occurred if Kerry's discharge in 1972 had been "honorable." Why did Kerry's discharge meet a board? In all likelihood, he sought relief to improve his status of discharge from "dishonorable" or "less than honorable" to "honorable." If he signed his Form 180, we'd know. If he'd release his DD214 from 1972, we'd know.
Finally, and most bizarre of all of Kerry's military records so far released is a DD 215, "Correction to DD Form 214," initiated for John Forbes Kerry on March 12, 2001. Among other things, the new form changes Kerry's official US Navy separation date to March 1, 1970! As noted earlier, he wasn't eligible for discharge until July, 1972, and was so. Why, then, the new document in 2001? Why, 29 years later, is there the need to correct or change the record?
Here's why. By moving Kerry's discharge date to early in 1970, all of Kerry's post-Vietnam activities would be theoretically exempt from military justice. By moving his discharge date to March of 1970, Kerry's meeting with the enemy, North Vietnamese Communists in Paris in May of 1970, would be exempt. His joining the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in June of 1970 and his radical, anti-war anti-government activities that followed would be exempt. The Winter Soldier Investigation in January, 1971, and Kerry's infamous testimony to Congress in April, 1971 would be exempt. His arrest for his protest activities in May, 1971, would be exempt. His attendance at a VVAW meeting in Kansas City where the assassination of several prominent and hawkish U.S. senators was discussed and voted on would be exempt....