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100% Reporting: Jim Webb(D) 1,143,144 over George Allen(R) 1,140,879

Posted on 11/07/2006 9:31:51 PM PST by jern

Webb defeats Allen by 2,200 votes


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To: flair2000
It was said on the radio this morning that if Allen had just stayed at home, drinking milk with Oreo cookies and watching The Grand Ol' Opry, he would have won by double digits

Yes, that seems to be the predominant thought pattern from those not living in Virginia.

201 posted on 11/08/2006 5:07:54 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop

Blacks used to say that because of prejudice, they had to be twice as good as any white person they were competing against. The same is true today of Republicans and the media. Allen needed to assume that he was starting at a deficit in the media, and that one little word probably cost him the votes he needed to put it over the top.

I was embarrassed for him when it happened, but I knew what the media would do to him over it. I voted for him anyway, but I knew then that he had lost the edge he needed.


202 posted on 11/08/2006 5:09:02 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to islam since 1959)
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To: Coop; Kath
I suggest you unscrew your hellhole of a state before lecturing us about our politicians.

Exactly.

We lost Allen in a year where the GOP lost NATIONWIDE.

But we won on the Marriage Amendment and we kept our 8 GOP Congressmen.

We didn't lose the House because of Virginia.

203 posted on 11/08/2006 5:09:21 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Nothern Virginia National Gun show Nov. 17 to 19
204 posted on 11/08/2006 5:10:43 AM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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To: bmwcyle

Are you suggesting we take up arms against Northern Virginia?

It's a little extreme, but let me ponder on it for a bit.


205 posted on 11/08/2006 5:11:56 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands

Just give me five minutes' warning to get my family into the basement.


206 posted on 11/08/2006 5:15:00 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Corin Stormhands

What I am saying it the gun grabbers just took Congress.


207 posted on 11/08/2006 5:15:05 AM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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To: bmwcyle

I see.

Well, if it helps, Webb got an "A" from the NRA.

Like I said earlier (maybe even on another thread?). When they wake up from their hangover, the RATS aren't going to like Senator Webb any more than we will.


208 posted on 11/08/2006 5:16:08 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Coop

That was said on WNIS in Norfolk at 6:20AM this morning.


209 posted on 11/08/2006 5:16:10 AM PST by flair2000
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To: flair2000; Coop

Oh well then. I always side with the media's opinion.

Sheesh!


210 posted on 11/08/2006 5:17:04 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: flair2000

That's wonderful. It's also ridiculously wrong.


211 posted on 11/08/2006 5:17:08 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I don't hold your faith.


212 posted on 11/08/2006 5:17:13 AM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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To: bmwcyle

Oh, don't get me wrong. Webb will end up not being the gunowners friend.

But I also think he's enough of a hothead to piss off the RATS before this is over.


213 posted on 11/08/2006 5:21:15 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
But I also think he's enough of a hothead to piss off the RATS before this is over.

And that is about the only silver lining...........

214 posted on 11/08/2006 5:26:05 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Corin Stormhands

Although I give him credit, he mostly kept his temper in check after he won the primary. Of course, it helped having the media running interference for him.


215 posted on 11/08/2006 5:27:37 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: jern
Looks like the dims dug up enough dead voters to get the job done this time.

Next time we must remember to post guards around all the cemeteries in the country.
216 posted on 11/08/2006 5:37:50 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Drink your champaign then dims, send us all your hard liquor, Except Wild Turkey the Speaker to be.)
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To: B Knotts
OK, George. This is doable in three steps...

1) Start re-counting
2) Keep counting and re-counting until you are ahead.
3) Stop counting and declare victory.

The Democrats do it all the time.

217 posted on 11/08/2006 5:46:43 AM PST by bimbo
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To: Corin Stormhands

The Commies control the media and the party. They don't what us armed.


218 posted on 11/08/2006 6:26:58 AM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Wrong. Webb got his A from the NRA based on his rhetoric. He has no record.

The advantage we have is that Webb is a jerk. Nobody will be happy with him.


219 posted on 11/08/2006 6:31:52 AM PST by AmishDude (Democrats raise taxes.)
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To: Coop; Kath; Corin Stormhands
>I suggest you unscrew your hellhole of a state before lecturing us about our politicians.<

No kidding. It's been disheartening to say the least to see how many supposed Republican busybodies outside of Virginia have been bashing the man, both before the election and now.

Physician, heal thyself.

220 posted on 11/08/2006 6:32:23 AM PST by Darnright (Must resist urge to write bad things about Democrats in this tagline)
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To: Darnright

You've got that right. They all have a share in his likely defeat.


221 posted on 11/08/2006 6:41:50 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: AmishDude

Wrong


222 posted on 11/08/2006 7:01:32 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: All

WEBB Up by 7,845 at 10:50 a.m.


223 posted on 11/08/2006 7:51:09 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: areafiftyone

Looks like too many votes to make up.....sigh!


224 posted on 11/08/2006 7:53:22 AM PST by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: mystery-ak

I was checking it on CNN then I said to myself I better check Fox and it was about the same for both. Disappointing to say the least!


225 posted on 11/08/2006 7:55:34 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: jern

There will be a recount at the state's expense.


226 posted on 11/08/2006 7:56:09 AM PST by madison10 (Live your life in such a way that the preacher won't have to lie at your funeral.)
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To: mystery-ak

It's ironic that the likely Senator-elect Webb now finds himself precisely in the position of the 1974 Watergate Democrats that he has lambasted over and over again throughout the years.

As Senator Webb wrote in the Wall Street Journal on April 28, 2000:

"The humiliating end result of the communists' final offensive in early 1975 is usually placed on the shoulders of a supposedly incompetent South Vietnamese military. Little mention is made of the impact our "Watergate Congress" had on both its inception and success. This Congress was elected in November 1974, only months after Nixon's resignation, and it was dominated by a fresh group of antiwar Democrats. One of the first actions of the new Congress was to vote down a supplemental appropriation for the beleaguered South Vietnamese that would have provided $800 million in military aid, including much-needed ammunition, spare parts and medical supplies.

This vote was a horrendous blow, in both emotional and practical terms, to the country that had trusted American judgment for more than a decade of intense conflict. It was also a clear indication that Washington was abandoning the South Vietnamese even as the North Vietnamese continued to enjoy the support of the Soviet Union, China and other Eastern bloc nations. The vote's impact was hardly lost on North Vietnamese military planners, who began the final offensive only five weeks later, as the South Vietnamese were attempting to adjust their military defenses.

Finally, the aftermath of Saigon's fall is rarely dealt with at all. A gruesome holocaust took place in Cambodia, the likes of which had not been seen since World War II. Two million Vietnamese fled their country -- usually by boat -- with untold thousands losing their lives in the process. This was the first such Diaspora in Vietnam's long and frequently tragic history. Inside Vietnam a million of the South's best young leaders were sent to re-education camps; more than 50,000 perished while imprisoned, and others remained captives for as long as 18 years. An apartheid system was put into place that punished those who had been loyal to the U.S., as well as their families, in matters of education, employment and housing. The Soviet Union made Vietnam a client state until its own demise, pumping billions of dollars into the country and keeping extensive naval and air bases at Cam Ranh Bay."

Will history be as kind to Senator Webb and his ilk?


227 posted on 11/08/2006 7:56:56 AM PST by soxfan
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To: jern; All

How many military absentee ballots come typically come in later for Virginia?


228 posted on 11/08/2006 7:58:35 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: FreedomProtector

I read somewhere on FR late last night that the military votes in Va were breaking for Webb by a small%....don't know how true that was...


229 posted on 11/08/2006 8:01:34 AM PST by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: Coop

What was Webb's last elective office again?


230 posted on 11/08/2006 8:04:09 AM PST by AmishDude (Democrats raise taxes.)
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To: soxfan

DINO?


231 posted on 11/08/2006 8:05:12 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Salvation

In a state which houses the largest navel base in the us?


232 posted on 11/08/2006 8:07:41 AM PST by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: AmishDude

What size jeans do you wear again?


233 posted on 11/08/2006 8:12:17 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: arborath

Allen is done if he cant win the va senate race he cant win nationally. Best case for Allen is he wins on a recount and stays in the senate.

Other options are Pawlenty from Minnesota or Steele from MD.


234 posted on 11/08/2006 8:12:32 AM PST by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Corin Stormhands

"Oh, don't get me wrong. Webb will end up not being the gunowners friend.
But I also think he's enough of a hothead to piss off the RATS before this is over."

That's my question. Is Webb enough of a conservative to do what is right by us or do you think he will get pulled over to the left and say what the hell.



235 posted on 11/08/2006 8:29:37 AM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: Coop

>>Just give me five minutes' warning to get my family into the basement.
<<

You'll want something to eat while you're down there:

http://beprepared.com/Default.asp?


236 posted on 11/08/2006 10:31:13 AM PST by nina0113
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To: Corin Stormhands

It's been a good ride, i'm saddened by the results, but the republic goes on. THe fact that allen lost by such a tiny margin is a testament to that man. The democrats threw everything they had at him, and even with that could only win by a few thousand votes.

I wish him the best and hope he goes onto something else that could help conservatives.


237 posted on 11/08/2006 12:08:45 PM PST by SDGOP
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To: SDGOP; Coop; Gabz; iceskater; Moose4; Darnright
THe fact that allen lost by such a tiny margin is a testament to that man.

And, while I really don't want to rehash it over and over, it's important for the Allen naysayers on FR to remember.

1) He had EVERYTHING thrown at him from Webb, Soros, Moveon, Hillary, Dean, the DNC and the Main Scream Media.

2) He lost on a night when Republicans were losing EVERYWHERE. IOW, if you lost a seat in your own state, STFU.

3) We WON the marriage amendment by a significant margin.

4) VIRGINIA LOST NO GOP HOUSE SEATS!

The same people who are trashing Allen and Virginia this year are the same people who were trashing Kilgore and Virginia last year.

Forgetting all along last year that we WON two out of three statewide races and we held control of the General Assembly.

This is a hard loss. It shouldn't have happened. And heaven knows the Allen campaign made some signficant mistakes.

But George Allen does not stand alone amongst Republicans in this loss.

238 posted on 11/08/2006 12:26:31 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands

Your exactly right. I know its not kosher to say, but i hope allen tries again for some other office( say governor in '09), and runs a campaign like he did in '93.


239 posted on 11/08/2006 12:28:17 PM PST by SDGOP
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To: Corin Stormhands

Good points. I think Allen ran a poor campaign overall, but that in and of itself wouldn't have been enough to sink him.

Somebody upthread said it best--Republicans have to be twice as good to beat a Democrat these days. Every single mistake that Allen made was amplified a hundredfold by the Beltway media echo chamber and repeated again and again using the Goebbels "Big Lie" theory. Not to mention the "mistakes" that were manufactured. Anybody remember Allen verbally smacking down that reporterette who asked an insulting question about his mother's Jewish heritage? That got spun by the Compost into "Allen's ashamed of his mother being Jewish," and that lie got uncritically accepted by the media and rebroadcast worldwide.

"Macaca" was much ado about nothing. The racism charges at UVa thirty-five years ago were leveled by a veteran Democratic operative and anti-smoking activist in North Carolina, whose partisan past was conveniently ignored by the DBM--along with the (equally flimsy) accusations that Webb used to drive through Watts slinging the n-bomb at the locals. It's just maddening.

I think bringing up Webb's kinky pr0n in his novels was a tactical error. By that time, people were so sick of the campaign anyway that the last thing they wanted to hear was "see! Webb writes pr0n!" And to be honest, I think Allen should've pounded the issues a lot harder. Hell, maybe he did and the media never reported it.

I guess Larry Sabato now has a scalp to hang on his office wall next to his collection of bad toupees. God knows he worked his tail off to see Jim Webb elected.

}:-)4


240 posted on 11/08/2006 12:39:03 PM PST by Moose4 (Baa havoc, and let slip the sheep of war.)
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To: SDGOP

I've been trying to find a spot for him too. I don't think he's finished. At least not in Virginia.

But I wouldn't relish a primary fight between Allen, Bolling and McDonnell. They'd have to cut a deal behind the scenes...or just not bother running and give it to the RATS.


241 posted on 11/08/2006 12:43:22 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Moose4
I think bringing up Webb's kinky pr0n in his novels was a tactical error.

I told someone else last night that I completely disagree. I think if that hadn't come out and if Kerry hadn't misfired, we wouldn't even be thinking recount. Webb would've won by 3-4 pts. JMHO.

Allen DID pound the issues. But the MSM ignored them. And it was hard to debate Webb on issues, because all Webb EVER had was "I'm not George Allen and I'm against Iraq."

242 posted on 11/08/2006 12:45:32 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands

Thanks, Corin. You led a good fight here on FR.


243 posted on 11/08/2006 1:18:05 PM PST by Darnright (I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country. Sen John Edwards, 2/24/02)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Because the man is not from one's state doesn't mean a person can't make an observation. Especially if that the man wants to run for president. He becomes all of our business. I remind you none of the liberal losers in my state have presidential aspirations. I voted straight Republican and worked to help Republican candidates so there isn't anything else I can personally do to "straighten out this hell hole of a state."

If you honestly believe Allen has a possibility of winning the Republican nomination then you are kidding yourself. If that touches a nerve so be it. Have a nice day.

244 posted on 11/08/2006 6:20:07 PM PST by Kath (Luvya Dubya)
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To: Kath; Coop; Gabz; Darnright
If you honestly believe Allen has a possibility of winning the Republican nomination then you are kidding yourself.

If you're going to sleep through breakfast, you're going to miss a lot of mini-dramas.

The VIRGINIANS have been SCREAMING for months that this was not about 2008. It was about 2006.

And FReepers like you helped contribute to his loss with snide comments about how he's not Presidential material. For months I fought the exact same battles here that I fought with the socialists and communists in the blogosphere.

If that touches a nerve, so be it.

245 posted on 11/08/2006 7:42:33 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; jla; Flora McDonald; GeorgeW23225; GottaLuvAkitas1; ...

If you're getting this ping, you were on the Virginia Campaign News 2006/George Allen ping list.

I will continue to maintain this ping list for Virginia campaign news.

But if you'd like to opt off (and some already have), just let me know.


246 posted on 11/08/2006 7:58:54 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: jern
You can say what you want about the polls, but for the most part--the polls 'as a whole' were INCREDIBLY ACCURATE.

This race is particular was almost exactly where it was pegged--as were most races. There were few exceptions--where the polls were outside their margins of error.

247 posted on 11/08/2006 8:01:07 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: Corin Stormhands

Webb being a Veteran helped him cut into the GOP advantage in Norfolk and Va Beach. Also Webb's "Born Fighting" gimmick helped him in Southwest Va. These factors caused Allen to run behind Bush's numbers. To oust Webb six years from now, we need a veteran to hightlight Webb's expected liberal voting record.

Also it there any word about John Warner retiring? If Mark Warner goes for that Senate seat, it is an easy RAT gain. OTOH, if Mark Warner decides to be Hillary's Veep instead, then the Senate seat is a easy hold for Tom Davis.


248 posted on 11/08/2006 8:11:24 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Corin Stormhands

I don't want to hear nothin' 'bout politics for the next three months. Heh.
Corin, you have done a splendid job on Free Republic and on your blog during this campaign.
I've got to get the flower beds in order and the house cleaned, the oil changed in the FReepmobile and a lot of little things I've been putting off.
I know we will all continue to pray for our Troops and new veterans. The person in our family who has taken this loss the hardest is our own Iraq War Vet (now in college). He is so concerned for the troops still there, the Iraqi people and the future of America.
I'll be lurkin'. God bless & Stand The Storm!
f.m.


249 posted on 11/08/2006 8:16:08 PM PST by Flora McDonald (http://unitedconservatives.blogspot.com/)
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To: jern

Using a sports analogy Webb was looking past 2006 to his presidential run in 2008 and thus he lost both.


250 posted on 11/08/2006 8:16:19 PM PST by Fledermaus (I did my part in Tennessee...what's with the rest of the country?)
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