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How much is President Bush and Bushies to Blame for this Loss?
opinion | 11/7/2006 | brianbaldwin

Posted on 11/07/2006 10:19:51 PM PST by Brian_Baldwin

This loss is going to have historical consequences – how much is President Bush to blame for this loss? Is it too early to say that the blame for this loss rests squarely with President Bush and the “Bushbots”?

Bush? Or is it Bush and the RINOs? . . . And worst of all to blame, the fault of what some talk show hosts call the Harriet Myers Storm-trooper crowd of Bushbots who simply would bray like a donkey whenever conservatives brought up the obvious problems with Bush from illegal immigration, to port deals, to his globalist friends and massive spending?

Well, it isn’t going to just be me saying that President Bush and the bots wasted too many years, they had the power and blew it.

Only in the last couple weeks did Bush start to try to get the message out about the good economy, but the fact is there were many conservatives who kept saying this is a winning message for a long time, if only the Republicans would get serious about getting the message out --- and the reply from the Bushbots was “the DOW and the stock market isn’t the same as the economy”, ignoring that the important message about the economy wasn’t just the stock market but much more.

The Republicans were on a dog and pony show with the “Bushies”, of which some now call the “Bushbots”, and years were wasted with what many now say were idiots who followed someone who never was a conservative anyway. The reality might just start to sink in that Bush just used some conservative lingo to take these idiots for a ride.

Yes, the President was “on track” regarding the war on terrorism – and yes, he and everyone else were correct that this war won’t be over in one or two years. The point being – no, Bush didn’t own the adage that this will not be a short war, but will be a long war, perhaps decades long – and everyone who understood the enemy said the same, and were saying so before even Bush took office in 2000.

In fact, many of these conservatives were saying Usama bin Laden and the Islamic terrorists et all hit the Trade Center once and he was coming back to finish the job, but Bush was too busy running around with Vicente Fox talking amnesty to listen.

But don’t worry, Bush will probably get his amnesty now. No, I’m not talking about the amnesty for Iraqi “insurgents” who killed American soldiers (no amnesty for our soldiers being held for “war crimes?”), no I talking about amnesty for illegal aliens from Mexico. And one may as well say exactly what we are talking about here – this isn’t about amnesty for illegal aliens from Jamaica, nor Russians, and such – it’s all about illegal aliens from Mexico, which once given will be irreversible, America will not be the same ever again and no one will be able to turn it around once done, because it’s done.

The best hope in stopping the Bush amnesty was a Republican victory in the House in 2006, but the Bushbots sunk it for us all and now with the Democrats running the show you are going to see an amnesty bill forwarded and Bush will sign it with a smile as a “great example of bipartisan leadership”.

The funding for the war in Iraq will likely now be cut off, a front in the battle on terrorism of which Bush wasn’t fighting as a “war” against the terrorists anymore – yes, let me say that President Bush has been doing a good job regarding the war on terrorism so lets just get that out there now - but, it seemed more like he was thinking the war on that particular front was over and he was “building Democracy” and sure didn’t want to accidentally kill any Iraqi civilians in the process because it wouldn’t look good in the New York Times and CNN.

Anyway, for sure the Democrats are going to have the leverage to screw us up on that one and cut and run not just in Iraq but everywhere. If and when the Democrats get there way, which they likely now will, what that tells the world, since Vietnam, and now Iraq which really was a punch drunk easy war as far as any war goes, the message to the world will now be that America can never win another war.

And that is really bad news since a lot of Americans are going to die as a result.

What that means is Iran now runs the region. And billions and billions and billions of dinars will sponsor further terrorism as they dance in the street having defeated the great Satan – and the Islamic terrorist with a likely victory in Iraq will do exactly what they already said they are going to do: they will turn their attention to overthrowing the governments of Turkey, Egypt and Pakistan.

Pakistan already has the nuclear bomb.

The governments of Turkey, Egypt and Pakistan are next on the head-chopping list, of which the Islamic fundamentalists may likely have very good success on instigating the axe. Because, at least Bush did a good job on the war on terrorism, but you can absolutely count on it that if the Democrats are going to call the shots, the region is going to explode; the Islamic terrorist front will be global like no ones business.

The idiots have been saying the war on Iraq fomented more Islamic terrorists.

The fact is, the growth of Islamic terrorism is an historical trend of which was escalating before Iraq, was on the march and would have been as life-size now whether we invaded Iraq or not, in fact likely even more so if their march wasn’t tripped up a bit in old Babylon.

We have a great economy.

But the economy won’t be great after the terrorist hit us again. In fact, when it happens, don’t be surprised how fast you are going to lose your job.

Democrats running the House. Now just watch the war. The war isn’t over. It’s now going to get bigger than ever.

Well, I guess some are saying, with the Dems running things, they take the blame for things, too. The problem with this is, the old media will still blame everything on Bush. So, unless the American people figure out that what is about to happen to America was the fault of the Democrats, then we are in big trouble.

But we were already in big trouble with this election. And a lot of Americans didn’t understand the consequences now, and this will be the same crowd who won’t understand later when everything blows up in our face.

I suppose some are thinking that all I have been doing is the same as the Democrats – to simply blame Bush for everything.

No, I don’t blame Bush for everything. I blame myself. Because, for some reason, I didn’t get involved enough, involved with other conservatives to get the conservative message to Americans.

Thank you President Bush, you have had to deal with a lot of crap from the old media. As far as I’m concerned, I consider them an enemy of Democracy.

In fact, I consider the Democratic Party an enemy of Democracy.

And, thank you President Bush, since 911 we, America, hasn’t had another major terrorist attack on our soil. I give the President thanks for this. It has been a blessing.

I don’t think this blessing is going to last much longer. Not after tonight.


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To: Darkwolf377
Show me the evidence that the Democrats (!) won tonight because Bush and the Republicans spend too much.

Exactly, by all reports, turnout was good for the Republicans in most areas. The exit polls all indicate that the election was seen as a referendum on Iraq, and based on the perception that we were losing, voted to toss the bums out. Of course by doing they probably guaranteed that we will lose... possibly a city or three.

201 posted on 11/07/2006 11:48:35 PM PST by El Gato
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To: onyx; kstewskis
In truth,Arizona needs some good,hard,unbiased analysis if the Republicans want to set up a winning strategy for 2008.

Graf ran in a liberal district and the National Republican party pulled out all support to him,it was pretty rotten.One could say either his loss was a statement that Arizona didn't care about illegals and amnesty,or they could say that a Republican with little money and no financial or moral support from National,hammered at by Dems,who saw he was vulnerable,was doomed by his own party.

Hayworth was totally identified with Bush although toward the end he seemed to be disengaging. And if I am not mistaken he only came to a get-tough position regards illegals somewhat late in the game. Prior to that the media crowed about his ties to Abramson and said he had received big bucks from him which I believe did a lot of damage. His ads at the end stated he had only received a small amount since 1999 and that amount was given to charity. Several people asked me what he had done before 1999 with Abramson and I didn't know.

He was also a very committed Christian and I am wondering if that was not what hurt him most.The Marriage Amendment seems to be going down which is really shocking and makes me sick and scared. He represents Tempe and parts of Scottsdale and there are many liberal elites in his district. I don't know if they redistricted or what happened because I was shocked to find he was my Congressman,maybe I've been sleeping.

But back to the climate vis a vis immigration and illegals in Arizona. All four propositions on the ballot that involved immigrants,legal and/or illegal demonstrated that the voters want a stop to the flow. English only won,no bail for illegals with a felony charge,no access to state supported services for non residents and no punitive damages for illegals involved in law suits all passed with comfortable ease.

So you can see that Arizonans are not averse to getting tough on illegal immigrants,or should I say being fair about them. I think the problem either involves Hayworth's Christianity or his support of Bush and the war in Iraq and has very little to do with immigration.

202 posted on 11/07/2006 11:49:32 PM PST by saradippity
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To: Natural Law

RE: THE FOUR THINGS!

You are absolutely spot on. We lost the voters because we got away from acting decisively based on our core beliefs.


203 posted on 11/07/2006 11:50:07 PM PST by JSteff
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To: McGavin999

Actually, I believe McCain was against the federal marriage ban, but he supported a proposal to change Arizona's state constitution to ban gay marriage. Rudy is very open to gay rights with the sole exception of calling gay civil unions "marriage".

Please do not misunderstand. I am NO fan of McCain whatsoever. Your point about Rudy's WOT stance is a good one and gives me pause about my initial response to the hypothetical of them being the two main primary choices.


204 posted on 11/07/2006 11:51:03 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: msnimje
Actually, the Republicans who were to lazy or stupid to vote today are to blame.

By all reports, Republican turn out was good. Dem was better and they got a larger chunk of the independent or "middle of the road" vote.

205 posted on 11/07/2006 11:52:51 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Yossarian
"I can't but think this help sink the whole 'Pubbie side."

I don't know about that but the way it was not decisively dealt with may have. Then the response that came was so ineptly handled (throw more dollars at some ice suppliers and mobile home builders) that it did not help.
206 posted on 11/07/2006 11:54:52 PM PST by JSteff
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To: Natural Law
This election was not a rejection of conservative principles, it was firing an incompetent work force.

And getting an even more incompetent one, as far as achieving any real conservative agenda, heck even American objectives.

207 posted on 11/07/2006 11:55:35 PM PST by El Gato
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To: skr
How about blaming liberals and fence-sitters for not understanding what's going on in the world?

There is that.

Sheeple Rule!

Oh Barf.

208 posted on 11/08/2006 12:00:16 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Brian_Baldwin

et tu, brute?

A major difference between Democrats and Republicans. Dems circle the wagons around their people. Republican eat their own.


209 posted on 11/08/2006 12:01:56 AM PST by DakotaRed (Kerry Should Resign!)
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To: laconic
James Baker will come up with some "bipartisan" solution, whereby the US will leave semi-gracefully

Baker as Kissinger, who'd thunk it?

The only question is, can we slink out fast enough to avoid a complete cut off of funds for the pull out.

And one more, is there a helipad on the roof of the US embassy in Baghdad? (And in Kabul too!?). .... Pelosi is on Fox, saying that we need a change of direction in Iraq. Does anyone honestly believe she means sending in more troops, more air power, and blasting every "insurgent" stronghold into rubble? Don't think so.

210 posted on 11/08/2006 12:05:15 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Howlin

"when the GOP realizes you people have drug them too far to the right"

What exactly do you mean, "too far to the right."

Do you think we should not be pro-life? Do you think we should ban semi-auto weapons and hi-cap magazines?

I genuinely want to know...I'm curious as to how far your branch of the GOP and I are.

Ed


211 posted on 11/08/2006 12:09:32 AM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: pissant
Now it takes patience,

Which Pelosi and Harry Reid aren't going to allow.

Although I disagree with part of your basic thesis that it's now just an Occupation and reconstruction. Those going OK to very well. But the jihadies have done enough to allow the MSM to give us another Tet.

212 posted on 11/08/2006 12:09:47 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Sir_Ed

No, I think we didn't need a special Senate session to deal with Terri Schaivo, to mention one thing, for starters.

They pandered way to much to the extremes in this party.


213 posted on 11/08/2006 12:12:54 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Brian_Baldwin

A few weeks ago when Bush sat down for some Ramadan chow FOR THE SIXTH STRAIGHT STINKING YEAR, with moslems while we were losing 100 men in one month... THAT was it.

People realized that Kinder Gentler Compassionate KGC warfighting was indeed going to last many many years because our own President continued to insist that islam was a religion that deserved to be honored...

"...we welcome and honor the Muslim faith in our nation. Our society is enriched by our Muslim citizens."

Thats when the bullshiite meter pegged and the American people decided enough was enough.


214 posted on 11/08/2006 12:13:00 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Good article.


215 posted on 11/08/2006 12:13:31 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
But the economy won’t be great after the terrorist hit us again. In fact, when it happens, don’t be surprised how fast you are going to lose your job.

I work in the Defense Industry. Have my whole career since Grad school which was after my active duty time (after which I was a Reservist, then a Guardsman, and then a Reservist again). I'll be losing my job, (again BTW, I also got Clintonsized in '98) well before the next attack, unless it comes sooner than I anticipate.

Just yesterday now (7th) we had a briefing by the Commanding General of the command I support. Before all this, they were to lose 5% of their civilian slots, and 10% of their direct support contractor slots. Plus a good sized cut in developement contracts. They'd already lost more military slots than that over the last year or two.

I shudder for the future, both mine and my country's.

216 posted on 11/08/2006 12:16:11 AM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato

Gato, who do you think will lead the GOP in '08? who do you want?


217 posted on 11/08/2006 12:19:16 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: El Gato
The noise from the base was there for a long time, but Republicans treated conservatives like Democrats treated Blacks like crap because they assumed that their vote was a given. The GOP leadership forgot that conservatives do not suffer the fool nor reward incompetence with another term in office. If we are going to be screwed it might as well be by the Dems instead of our "friends".
218 posted on 11/08/2006 12:21:42 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

WHO do you think will be the new leader of the GOP?


219 posted on 11/08/2006 12:24:22 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Howlin
Is it too early to say that the blame for this loss rests squarely with the Bush Haters

DING-DING-DING, lock the thread, we have an early winner. Thanks for speaking truth to idiocy, Howlin.

Is it too late to say that we may have a new definition of RINO, too? So-called Republicans have cut off the country's nose to spite its face, and will have to bear the awful consequences with the rest of us.

I hope President Bush and Vice President Cheney aren't found within ten miles of each other in the next two years. Freedom can't take a chance on succession...

220 posted on 11/08/2006 12:26:07 AM PST by umbagi (Monthly Donor [entry level])
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To: Brian_Baldwin

My guess is a few hours LOL.


221 posted on 11/08/2006 12:26:47 AM PST by rrrod
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To: Ingtar

I hardly call a 1% win over a Ford a joyous victory! I am extremely dissapointed that the margin was not huge!


222 posted on 11/08/2006 12:29:31 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (John Gibson is right. " If the Democrats win the terrorist win.")
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To: umbagi

It makes you wonder just who the Republicans In Name Only are, doesn't it?


223 posted on 11/08/2006 12:31:45 AM PST by Howlin
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To: TomasUSMC
"Who do you think will be the new leader of the GOP?"

For the next two years it will still be Bush and Rove. The question is will they have learned anything by this debacle. I do look for a struggle at the grass roots level for the direction of the party. Hopefully, a conservative will emerge. Right now I am putting my money on the resurrection of Newt. He has shown he knows how to beat the left without becoming compromised in the process.

224 posted on 11/08/2006 12:32:17 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: mariabush
I hardly call a 1% win over a Ford a joyous victory! I am extremely dissapointed that the margin was not huge!

Waddya mean? Ford singlehandedly exposed the threat that a nuclear Australia would pose. /s

225 posted on 11/08/2006 12:33:30 AM PST by Dosa26
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Sixth Year Jinx

   
Senate
House
Year President Δ Dem Δ GOP Δ WH Δ Dem Δ GOP Δ WH
1998 Clinton 0 0 0 5 -5 -5
1986 Reagan 8 -8 -8 5 -5 -5
1974 Ford 5 -5 -5 49 -48 -48
1966 Johnson -4 4 -4 -47 47 -47
1958 Eisenhower 15 -13 -13 49 -48 -48
1950 Truman -6 5 -6 -29 28 -29
1938 Roosevelt -6 6 -6 -71 80 -71
1926 Coolidge 7 -6 -6 12 -10 -10
1918 Wilson -6 6 -6 -19 21 -19
Mean       -6     -31

226 posted on 11/08/2006 12:35:28 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: Dosa26

LOL, Actually I don't know what we will do without a Ford to bash.


227 posted on 11/08/2006 12:38:41 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (John Gibson is right. " If the Democrats win the terrorist win.")
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

Right on, brother.


228 posted on 11/08/2006 12:39:14 AM PST by LuxMaker
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Well I think you are completely wrong.
Bush has been good on the war and the economy.

What could not be overcome his both history and the 24-7 slamming of the war and this Administration by the press.

Do you think Democrats could have in any way gotten more than 40% of the vote this election without the press acting as an arm of the terrorists and Democrats in opposing the Administration the last two years?

Then historically, in a 6th year like this, the other party usually picks up 45 seats in the house and some in the Senate.
By historic averages, the Democrats did poorly.

Had they not had a press giving a billion in good press to them and over a couple of billion on free bad press to the Republicans and Bush, there would probably have been gains for Republicans in both the Senate and Congress.

Sabotaging of the war effort by Democrats and the press along with other negative press efforts on the Administration is what came into play here IMO.
229 posted on 11/08/2006 12:40:35 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Natural Law

The new leaders on the Republican side of the isle will be more conservative. Congress will learn from this even if Bush doesn't. They have to run again. He doesn't.

Whenever there is a big loss by either party, the party moves back to its base. Republicans move right. Democrats move left.

The big question now is can the base overcome the party establishment and nominate a conservative in 08. If not we'll have a Democrat president and both houses of congress.


230 posted on 11/08/2006 12:42:48 AM PST by SUSSA
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To: Natural Law

without becoming compromised in the process



You did hear about his little secretary he was having an affair with didn't you, while he was in congress?

Well anyway I don't know about bringing him back. I am hoping for a combat veteran, pro-life, and anti-gay.


231 posted on 11/08/2006 12:44:20 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

<< Is it too early to say that the blame for this loss rests squarely with President Bush and the “Bushbots”? >>

Is it too late to say yes?


232 posted on 11/08/2006 12:49:13 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: Howlin
It makes you wonder just who the Republicans In Name Only are, doesn't it?

I was late to this thread because I've been trying -- with no little difficulty -- to exercise adult restraint in composing an email reply to a good friend, a self-proclaimed Republican and conservative, who's gloating ad nauseum about "the lesson Bush has been taught today."

The guy's a veteran, has a PhD. from a respected school, built a multi-million dollar business from scratch, and bitches to high heaven about taxes, the minimum wage, welfare, crooked politicians -- and President Bush!

His first email tonight after the returns started coming in could have been written by Chuckie Schumer. I hope he enjoys watching the fruits of his labors against his own interests...

No, I take that back; tonight, I'll cherish the consoling thought that he'll be as miserable as his choices will make me in the coming days and months. I'll pray for forgiveness tomorrow.

233 posted on 11/08/2006 12:49:22 AM PST by umbagi (Monthly Donor [entry level])
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To: umbagi

No real Republican gloats about being happy about higher taxes and federally funded stem cell research and tax cuts and minimum wage and a million other things.

Let's see how smug he is when you point out that this "victory" was orchestrated by Rahm Emauel, Hillary's butt boy, and that she will be our next president.


234 posted on 11/08/2006 12:58:49 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
He's a McCainiac, convinced that the Leader of the Dwarves is our only hope against Hillary.

It's sad, watching old friends as senility sets in...

235 posted on 11/08/2006 1:02:33 AM PST by umbagi (Monthly Donor [entry level])
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To: Howlin

I'm just curious what you consider extremes.

The GOP is going to move to the Left, and I'd really like to know if abortion, for example, is not that big of a deal to your wing of the GOP, or gun control?

Ed


236 posted on 11/08/2006 1:02:37 AM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed

They going to move to the middle; the GOP is more than just the extreme right wing in this party. You all don't seem to understand or like that part.

My wing of the party is pro-life and against gun-control.


We just realize that the people we vote for aren't going to agree with US 100 percent of the time.

A thought lost on you one agenda people.


237 posted on 11/08/2006 1:05:28 AM PST by Howlin
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To: nopardons

Rudy left his wife, too.

Ed


238 posted on 11/08/2006 1:07:23 AM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: pissant
With the facts staring you right in the face, you Bushbots STILL don't GET it.

True, somethings - like Foley, were beyond Bush's control.

But an intelligent, articulate President who was true to the values which put him in office twice would have been able to minimize the effects of an inevitable fluctuation in power in Washington.

Bush was and is right to a great degree on the war against terror, but has failed miserably in foreign policy objectives. Even there, such as the failure to employ "profiling" he has been wanting.

He turned what SHOULD have been a quick blitzkrieg in Iraq, followed by another in Iran and Syria, into what he said he would never do - nation-build. His attempt to create a "democracy" in an artificial tribal state dominated by a murderous sectarian religion, an area in which democracy never existed before, was simply too much for the American people to absorb in lives lost by American soldiers. Bush's military actions in the Middle East were initially correct, but he showed his "family values" by following in the footsteps of his incredibly inept - and far from conservative - father. Our continued presence in Iraq as targets of sectarian lunatics without taking an active initiative against those terror states supporting them is illogical and counterproductive. Now with the Democrat victory, America will do what it always does when the Dems take over - cut and run - and give the Muslims moral support in their ideological battle with western values and society.

Bush gave us one conservative Supreme Court justice, but had to be strong armed by his own constituents into giving us another.

He reeled from one foolish decision to another - failing to destroy Hezbollah when given the chance, defending the Dubai Port deal until forced to abandon it, digging his heels in over amnesty for illegal invaders when the overwhelming majority of Americans opposed it, and failing to step up to the plate and put mavericks in his own party like John McCain in their place when they crossed him.

The sad part of all this is the Dems will find they will be dealing with a far more compliant, "moderate" Bush than ever before, a man who never before used the veto when he should have, will not use it now. My prediction is they will never impeach him. He will be far more valuable for them as a negative portrait of what a Republican president should not allow himself to become - a portrait which can only help them in 2008.

Rove's master plan of pandering to illegals in the hope that the Hispanic vote will be secured has been exposed for the failure it is.

Finally, Bush's total ineptitude in intelligently articulating what his POSITIVE policies were, led to a fatal communication gap with the electorate.

It will take ANOTHER Newt Gingrich to fashion a populist, conservative Republican policy to regain control of Congress and America and undo the failures of the Bush Administration in connecting with the Republican base, securing the Reagan Democrats, evangelical Christians and conservatives.

The only "good" thing about this scenario is that most RINOs up for election like Tom Kean Junior, won't be in office to help a chastened Bush and the Dems achieve their social objectives - objectives which can only assure a Republican victory in 2008 if the Republican national leadership develops some backbone, and puts the blame where it properly lies, instead of putting on the traditional defeated Republican sackcloth and ashes, and blaming their ostensible but in fact very NON-
"conservative" values for this defeat.

Its time for the Republicans to regroup, re-assess the damage and the reasons for it, and learn from their tactical mistakes which contributed to this defeat. Its time for Bush's own party - what's left of it - to take STRONG and VISIBLE stands against the inevitable Bush-Democrat initiatives which will follow this defeat - like the amnesty for illegal invaders.

I, for one, hope NEVER to see another Bush in national office. They are all closet liberals who are closer to RINOs philosophically than they ever were to mainstream Republicans.

The Democrats never waver in their loyalty to their extreme left-wing base, although adopting the masque of a conservative appearance in areas where it would benefit them in the midwest, west and south. Unless the Republicans "come home" to their own base, abandon the philosophies of the Lincoln Chaffees, Rudy Giulianis,
John McCains and Tom Keans, the Republican party will become dead as a dodo and their constituents will coalesce around a new party after 2008 - one which more adequately expresses and defends traditional American values and opposes liberalism and European socialism.
239 posted on 11/08/2006 1:07:30 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Sir_Ed
Please -- let's not see this thread degenerate into a Terri thread.

I'm pro-life in all respects, but must agree with Howlin on this point; Johnson beat Goldwater, in large part, over his "extremism ... is no vice" comment, and I suspect a well-populated Bell curve would show that 84% of voting Americans aren't voting the extremes, either way...

240 posted on 11/08/2006 1:10:11 AM PST by umbagi (Monthly Donor [entry level])
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To: pissant

Amen.


241 posted on 11/08/2006 1:11:02 AM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Howlin

Sorry -- "ping"...


242 posted on 11/08/2006 1:11:48 AM PST by umbagi (Monthly Donor [entry level])
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To: Howlin

Not to you in particular Howlin...Fox commentator just said we "most probably" lost the senate.


243 posted on 11/08/2006 1:13:17 AM PST by Dosa26
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To: Howlin

I don't really consider myself an "agenda person."

I voted for a pro-choice Pubbie for OR governor, (Ron Saxton) who, unfortuately, lost.

Because he would have worked with us in RTL.

I do think that Terri Schiavo was murdered by starvation, and I wish they had saved her life.

I wish I could clearly understand what exactly happened to the GOP tonight. It wasn't being a moderate that cost elections, it wasn't being a conservative, it wasn't being a "seal-up the borders" person, it was ALL of those factors that cost votes.

Ed


244 posted on 11/08/2006 1:14:52 AM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: umbagi

Precisely.


245 posted on 11/08/2006 1:15:08 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Sir_Ed

#244. I think it was the constant pounding by the MSM shilling for the dems. Enemedia!!!!


246 posted on 11/08/2006 1:16:50 AM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: albie
The President will have to stand firm, get out his veto pen and be prepared to do battle with congress on a daily basis. They'll be relentless.

They cannot overrride a single veto.

247 posted on 11/08/2006 1:19:58 AM PST by montag813
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To: Brian_Baldwin
One year ago during the Harriet Miers debate the Ingrahams, Noonans, Coulters and NRO gang threw a temper tantrum because they didn't approve of the President's pick. They put him in office and they wanted control of the courts or they were going to bring him down. Well they did with their months of ridicule. Unfortunately, in the end they brought down the Republicans. Any hopes for a conservative court has been lost, as well as a win in Iraq.

I bet they all feel proud today.
248 posted on 11/08/2006 1:30:35 AM PST by keepitreal
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To: Al Simmons
Do we have the stomach to win now?

No. Up until tonight, I was sanguine about the war. But now, it doesn't matter if American troops never lost a battle, American public opinion would demand the withdrawal of troops in a year.

249 posted on 11/08/2006 1:37:14 AM PST by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: All

I think it was the immigration issue that lost it for us. I knew it was a loser from the very beginning. I would love to see what our Hispanic vote was tonight.


250 posted on 11/08/2006 1:42:07 AM PST by ClarenceThomasfan (It's like a plantation - and you know what I mean!)
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