Skip to comments.How much is President Bush and Bushies to Blame for this Loss?
Posted on 11/07/2006 10:19:51 PM PST by Brian_Baldwin
This loss is going to have historical consequences how much is President Bush to blame for this loss? Is it too early to say that the blame for this loss rests squarely with President Bush and the Bushbots?
Bush? Or is it Bush and the RINOs? . . . And worst of all to blame, the fault of what some talk show hosts call the Harriet Myers Storm-trooper crowd of Bushbots who simply would bray like a donkey whenever conservatives brought up the obvious problems with Bush from illegal immigration, to port deals, to his globalist friends and massive spending?
Well, it isnt going to just be me saying that President Bush and the bots wasted too many years, they had the power and blew it.
Only in the last couple weeks did Bush start to try to get the message out about the good economy, but the fact is there were many conservatives who kept saying this is a winning message for a long time, if only the Republicans would get serious about getting the message out --- and the reply from the Bushbots was the DOW and the stock market isnt the same as the economy, ignoring that the important message about the economy wasnt just the stock market but much more.
The Republicans were on a dog and pony show with the Bushies, of which some now call the Bushbots, and years were wasted with what many now say were idiots who followed someone who never was a conservative anyway. The reality might just start to sink in that Bush just used some conservative lingo to take these idiots for a ride.
Yes, the President was on track regarding the war on terrorism and yes, he and everyone else were correct that this war wont be over in one or two years. The point being no, Bush didnt own the adage that this will not be a short war, but will be a long war, perhaps decades long and everyone who understood the enemy said the same, and were saying so before even Bush took office in 2000.
In fact, many of these conservatives were saying Usama bin Laden and the Islamic terrorists et all hit the Trade Center once and he was coming back to finish the job, but Bush was too busy running around with Vicente Fox talking amnesty to listen.
But dont worry, Bush will probably get his amnesty now. No, Im not talking about the amnesty for Iraqi insurgents who killed American soldiers (no amnesty for our soldiers being held for war crimes?), no I talking about amnesty for illegal aliens from Mexico. And one may as well say exactly what we are talking about here this isnt about amnesty for illegal aliens from Jamaica, nor Russians, and such its all about illegal aliens from Mexico, which once given will be irreversible, America will not be the same ever again and no one will be able to turn it around once done, because its done.
The best hope in stopping the Bush amnesty was a Republican victory in the House in 2006, but the Bushbots sunk it for us all and now with the Democrats running the show you are going to see an amnesty bill forwarded and Bush will sign it with a smile as a great example of bipartisan leadership.
The funding for the war in Iraq will likely now be cut off, a front in the battle on terrorism of which Bush wasnt fighting as a war against the terrorists anymore yes, let me say that President Bush has been doing a good job regarding the war on terrorism so lets just get that out there now - but, it seemed more like he was thinking the war on that particular front was over and he was building Democracy and sure didnt want to accidentally kill any Iraqi civilians in the process because it wouldnt look good in the New York Times and CNN.
Anyway, for sure the Democrats are going to have the leverage to screw us up on that one and cut and run not just in Iraq but everywhere. If and when the Democrats get there way, which they likely now will, what that tells the world, since Vietnam, and now Iraq which really was a punch drunk easy war as far as any war goes, the message to the world will now be that America can never win another war.
And that is really bad news since a lot of Americans are going to die as a result.
What that means is Iran now runs the region. And billions and billions and billions of dinars will sponsor further terrorism as they dance in the street having defeated the great Satan and the Islamic terrorist with a likely victory in Iraq will do exactly what they already said they are going to do: they will turn their attention to overthrowing the governments of Turkey, Egypt and Pakistan.
Pakistan already has the nuclear bomb.
The governments of Turkey, Egypt and Pakistan are next on the head-chopping list, of which the Islamic fundamentalists may likely have very good success on instigating the axe. Because, at least Bush did a good job on the war on terrorism, but you can absolutely count on it that if the Democrats are going to call the shots, the region is going to explode; the Islamic terrorist front will be global like no ones business.
The idiots have been saying the war on Iraq fomented more Islamic terrorists.
The fact is, the growth of Islamic terrorism is an historical trend of which was escalating before Iraq, was on the march and would have been as life-size now whether we invaded Iraq or not, in fact likely even more so if their march wasnt tripped up a bit in old Babylon.
We have a great economy.
But the economy wont be great after the terrorist hit us again. In fact, when it happens, dont be surprised how fast you are going to lose your job.
Democrats running the House. Now just watch the war. The war isnt over. Its now going to get bigger than ever.
Well, I guess some are saying, with the Dems running things, they take the blame for things, too. The problem with this is, the old media will still blame everything on Bush. So, unless the American people figure out that what is about to happen to America was the fault of the Democrats, then we are in big trouble.
But we were already in big trouble with this election. And a lot of Americans didnt understand the consequences now, and this will be the same crowd who wont understand later when everything blows up in our face.
I suppose some are thinking that all I have been doing is the same as the Democrats to simply blame Bush for everything.
No, I dont blame Bush for everything. I blame myself. Because, for some reason, I didnt get involved enough, involved with other conservatives to get the conservative message to Americans.
Thank you President Bush, you have had to deal with a lot of crap from the old media. As far as Im concerned, I consider them an enemy of Democracy.
In fact, I consider the Democratic Party an enemy of Democracy.
And, thank you President Bush, since 911 we, America, hasnt had another major terrorist attack on our soil. I give the President thanks for this. It has been a blessing.
I dont think this blessing is going to last much longer. Not after tonight.
Miers was the 101'st most qualified person for the position. This loss had to do with the war and the media.
And btw, in case it's been neglected in the heat of the week: Welcome to FR, Keeper. I like your posts...
I fear the Dems in power in the house,we may actually get situation similar to the series"JERICHO" having watched the show<i am distressed by such a prospect.GOD haelp President Bush and GOD help the U.S.!!!
Well,I've been told I'm so conservative I have to look to my left to see the Pope.
Alcee "IMPEACHED CROOK" HASTINGS is chairing US Intelligence Committee.
I think America is going to be horrified when they see the Democrat freak show roll out.
Dems won't win WH in 2008.
I am a conservative, and by your standards I would qualify as very conservative
You knon't know me or my standards.....lol.The GWOT was too important to lose over a temper tantrum by the right.
The terror war will not be lost. It's just a matter of how many of our brave warriours and citizens must fall. I don't know these things, but I do hope that Americans will not ever have to quake in fear of nuc's on our soil...If we do I will lose a great deal of faith in our people.
True, but Clinton was impeached by the House and the Senate left him in office. Same could happen to Bush if he keeps the Senate Republicans on his side. But looking back on the Clinton Impeachment, the Democrats would have been better off in the long run by removing Clinton from office. Gore would have used the incumbency advantage to beat the Electoral College margin, assuming of course that he did not have to pardon Clinton. So if Cheney wants to run in 2008, all bets are off with regards to the US Senate. Unfortunately it is also possible that we could have a Nixon replay here. The new dynamic now is that we have crazy leaders in Iran, Venezuela and North Korea. They will probably force our hands because DC is split and weak once again. In a nut shell, we are in for a very rocky ride. The Democrats used hook and crook (Foley, MSM et. al.) to be in power and my guess is they will probably end up wondering if it was worth it all.
I read Krauthammer and Steyn. From what they say, this is a "normal" mid-term response.
From the article:
What to say about such a victory? Substantial, yes. Historic, no. Before proclaiming a landslide, one has to ask Henny Youngman's question: "Compared to what?" (His answer to: "How's your wife?") Since the end of World War II, the average loss for a second-term presidency in its sixth year has been 29 House seats and six Senate seats. If you go back to Franklin Roosevelt's second term, the House loss average jumps to 35. Thus a 25/6 House and Senate loss would be about (and slightly below) the historical average.
IMHO - You are correct. A bunch of singularly bad issues all added up. Katrina Debacle, Long Iraq War, Illegal Immigration Issue, Meirs Appointment, Foley Resignation, Lack of Fiscal Spending Control, MidTerm Election History, Weak Congressional Leadership, Delay Scandal in Congress, Numerous Close Races for Incumbent Republicans, MSM Attacks, etc. etc..
This loss has to do with the pathetic prosecution of the war in Iraq. The State Dept and Dept. of Defense are so worried about fighting a PC war that they will not let the military fight the war as they have been taught. The results: War drags on, lots of US casualties, people get tired of never decisively winning and finishing the war. The only way to win is to deliver a crushing blow...and we haven't done that to anyone since WWII.
This loss, also, has to do with the lack of strong leadership in Congress by Republicans. And it has to do with Bush's poor communication skills inhibiting him from being able to rally Republican leaders and Republican voters to work for the program. Just look at the list of failures that took place WITH a Republican controlled Congress. Don't get me wrong, I love the Pres...he just can't get the message out effectively.
We then suffered through attacks on Meiers, the NSA security, Dubai ports, etc. Those creeps act like they are so smart, and they are nothing but worthless sideline carpers who don't contribute a thing to our side, but suck up money we could spend on other things instead of their books and magazines. To heck with them.
And because of this constant criticism, one-issue Republicans stayed home. There were even some who stayed home in Indiana because the Republican governor instituted Daylight Savings Time...real smart, huh?
Pfui. Anyone who comes on here blaming Bush supporters for this loss is a complete jerk, and that is YOU, Brian Baldwin!
Along with the lib media...I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately some of our "special" citizens need a constant reminder they can relate to, feeling there pain and what not...You just know Bush ain't tellin you that pap and lots of independents want it.
I blame it on morons like Brian_Baldwin.
The Republicans would have swept to a huge victory if they had not alienated their base support by their:
1. Failure to close the Mexican border and halt illegal immigration,
2. Failure to nullify the effects of the Kelo decision--immediately, and
3. Expansion of federal entitlements to include prescription drugs!
There are idiots who want to have a government like the Italians because of their so called "principles".
Well, now we have it, thanks to them.
"If we had a united front, this would not have happened.
Flame away....not really interested in your response anyway."
No Flame.....A United Front would have gone a long way to avoiding the present outcome of the election, however, the Republicans would have had to have united around a conservative agenda to win. They didn't we lost.
There is a lot of disillusionment by those who previously voted Republican because their Republican-held government didn't reduce the size and control of government. Unfortunately, non-defense federal spending has grown MUCH faster with Republicans in control than it did when the Democrats were in control.
Look at the pig trough of congressional budget "earmarks" (expensive pet projects) that have exploded the federal budget during Republican leadership.
Where is a conservative to go?
The name-calling won't help. If you sell out your most faithful, you can't win.
If the conservatives lost heart and stayed home, who was in power to let them down?
I don't like the personal attacks I am reading here. If you want conservatives like me to abandon this site completely, keep up the personal attacks.
Well, it isnt going to just be me saying that President Bush and the bots wasted too many years, they had the power and blew it.
Yeah, and you took it all with a smile. You own the bully pulpit, Mr. Bush, but YOU DON'T USE IT WORTH A CRAP. We are at war AT HOME AND ABROAD. You could have fought EVERY LAST LIE from the Democrats and their media, but you just let them lay out there and metastasize. Your silence is deafening.
I would say the House and Senate rode his coat tails for three elections.
Yea right whatever. The Repubs should learn they can't act like Neo-CON clowns and expect to win. Big government, nanny state, deficit exploding, world cop playin life wasting neo-CON fools. Whose brillant idea was this on how to get elected? Oh right the head Neo-CON in chief. Too bad they didnt listen to Pat Buchanan.
I think it was the off year hit. The same one that MOST presidents take. I'd imagine there are exceptions (FDR in WWII, Clinton after impeachment), but Bush had no such exception. As seriously as we may take the War, most of America is seeing only a running total of US troops lost.
For all of the wailing, we're still around the historical average (I think it's 6 senators, and something like 30 house members) of 'mid term casualties.'
I also think (MHO, of course) that there are a lot of things that we, as opposed to the Dems, hammer out in public that ought to be handled in private. That is to say, 'throw the bums out' in the primary, as opposed to the general, election.
The gripping hand, though, is that it's a lot easier to be unified in public when you don't really have to propose anything. Take immigration as an example. We're all hot and bothered by it, from a number of different points of view. What position do the dems have? That their against us! So, a vote for the D column (or a non-vote in the R) becomes a vote for or against border enforcement, for or against amnesty, for or against compromise, take your pick.
Their policy this year was identical to Carroll's Red Queen's take on the meaning of words: their policy meant exactly what they wanted it to mean at any given moment; it could change on a dime.
As you pointed out, this was an across the board rebuke to the party in charge. Yes, even an anti-war guy (Chafee) lost.
Well, they can now say they've taught those bums a lesson.
Bet it gives 'em a big case of the 'warm fuzzies.'
Neo cons??? The only neo cons are folks like Bill Kristol and his ilk. And they don't much like Bush.
RINO's are an endangered species, you're just late in figuring that out. Blackbird.
It may take a few weeks for that to set in on the chattering monkey's. Their days of shouting down Conservatives at every turn are long gone. That reality will either set in, or they will be wondering around in the minority for decades to come. It is their choice. The RATpublican thing didn't work out too well for them. Blackbird.
Enjoy your minority! It's a little late for your great hate GOTV effort, isn't it? Blackbird.
LOL! Well, welcome to the minority! RINO heaven! Blackbird.
Wish you had put that up for signatures before sending it out. Something to consider next time? Blackbird.
I don't care who you are, that's LOL funny as he!!. Delusional, to the extreme, but damn funny none the less. Keep 'em coming Howlin! Blackbird.
There, fixed your LIE for you. No charge! Blackbird.
You got a lot of work ahead of you. FR will be a lonely place with the dozen or so you harping monkey's glad slapping each other on the back all day. Purge away! Blackbird.
I am enjoying the minority because now we can get real leaders with spines.
Finding any worms with your head in the sand?
Finding any in the bad hash you've been using?
Hope you are enjoying your delusion.
One can hope that the RNC realizes this need. One can hope. Blackbird.
The time for diplomacy is after victory! Destroy the enemy, then rebuild your new allies.
After mulling it over (and after a very restless night of not much sleep), I think you pegged it about the war as the reason JD lost here. People here are strongly opposed to illegal immigration, but I find more are opposed to the direction of the war and whoever is backing the president on the issue. That is an evident pattern across the country, and was/is the #1 issue in this election.
I was driving through Tempe this AM, and I saw a huge JD Hayworth for US Congress sign at one corner. Above it, had a small sign attached, "Voted for the war in Iraq." I had to chuckle when I saw another sign attached to this one, "Please don't steal his sign, Harry!"
Hey, Fox News just mentioned that Rumsfield is stepping down. What do you know about that?
Like others, I don't see a good candidate of the sort we need. But I would say that there must be a good conservative Governor out there somewhere, but I 'm just not all that familiar with the governors. Certainly not Pataki, not Rudy... Ron Reagans are few and far between. I wouldn't be too surprised if we got Rudy though.
McQueeg's divorce problems are a bit different and IMO, worse.
The President did his job. The "Bots" voted and did their jobs. Speaker Pelosi thanks you for you contribution.
When we lost seats in Conn., Jersey, Pa.,N.H., etc., immigration is NOT the motivating source of GOP losses!
How can I be a "metrosexual"? I am a woman; sweetums! ;^)