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Recounts in Virgina & Montana
Natl Review ^ | B York

Posted on 11/08/2006 5:53:30 AM PST by arroyob

RECOUNTS [Byron York]

Unless something unforeseen happens, we're looking at a recount in Virginia, where the law calls for a state-paid recount if the difference between candidates is one-half of one percent or less.

According to numbers on the Virginia State Board of Elections website, Webb and Allen are separated by 8,359 votes, out of a total 2,361,441 cast — a difference of about one-third of one percent.

The situation is different in Montana, where Burns and Tester are separated by 3,113 votes out of 341,891 cast.

There, the recount standard is one-quarter of one percent, so if those totals hold up, a state-paid recount is unlikely. Posted at 8:26 AM


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To: RedStateRocker
'Government' and 'morality' have nothing to do with each other.

That's the stupidest post I've read for quite some time. Government pass laws. Laws are what society/voters consider right/wrong/moral/just. Government and Morality are impossible to separate.

51 posted on 11/08/2006 7:10:19 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: RedStateRocker

You might want to read Washington's farewell address.


52 posted on 11/08/2006 7:11:15 AM PST by prov1813man
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To: RedStateRocker
Haven't you been reading libertarian threads ? The social right controls 75% of the country and we aren't needed.....
53 posted on 11/08/2006 7:11:46 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish

montana just isn't a recount, that has some blown vote reads from the machines in one county - does anyone know if that error will break for Burns.

if we could salvage a 50/50 senate, if the midst of this blowout, that would be something.


54 posted on 11/08/2006 7:13:27 AM PST by oceanview
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To: tobyhill
I'm concerned about Bush getting one more Conservative Judge on the bench of the SCOTUS with this new Senate.

Advice to RNC: Get back to the BASEics.
55 posted on 11/08/2006 7:14:18 AM PST by no dems (Duncan Hunter for Prez / Tony Snow for VEEP in '08)
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To: graf008
Nobody has said this board should be a GOP forum.

I take that back. Libertarians who are outnumbered and have difficulty defending their positions feel it's a Republican board.

I have absolutely no difficulty at all finding Libertarian postings and positions on this forum every hour of every day. Pretty piss poor job of restricting it to Republican doctrine, huh?

56 posted on 11/08/2006 7:14:42 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: dinoparty

I don't think it would, he wouldn't need to switch parties, just stay and Independent and caucus with the GOP.


57 posted on 11/08/2006 7:14:43 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: cajungirl
Problem is the religious branch of the part won't tolerate anyone who is libertarian. Just seems that way to me. If you say you are for embryonic stem cell research on this forum you are flamed within an inch of your life. I think this really hurt us at the polls.

If you truly think that the liberal-tarians are the core of the GOP, then why did the Dems pull out Foley in October to scare of the religious conservatives? Answer: Because the numbers o liberal-tarians in the GOP are negligible--almost irrelevant. There just happen to be a lot of you on Free Republic.
58 posted on 11/08/2006 7:15:37 AM PST by Antoninus (Fire Ken Mehlman....)
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To: Timedrifter

Northern Virginia has attracted a large population of illegal aliens, and after amnesty Virginia will turn even bluer.


59 posted on 11/08/2006 7:16:48 AM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: no dems
I don't think it was going to happen even with the old Senate because of too many RINOs and Democrats that would have put up a fight for their life.
60 posted on 11/08/2006 7:18:44 AM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Antoninus

Because the numbers o liberal-tarians in the GOP are negligible--almost irrelevant. There just happen to be a lot of you on Free Republic




Have had a chance to see the election results or did you just get up after a 20 hour nap?


61 posted on 11/08/2006 7:21:22 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: arroyob
no absentee ballots to speak of in Montana

There are 21K absentee ballots in MT per the link a few posts above yours. In a race of less than 2000 votes, that definitely keeps the door open.

62 posted on 11/08/2006 7:23:47 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: wagglebee
I think Lieberman could be turned if he was offered enough.

IMHO Lieberman will NOT declare that he will vote with the GOP, NO MATTER what they offer him.

It would be POETIC justice however, if HE DID, and we then keep the Senate at 50-50!

That would be an AMAZING development!!

63 posted on 11/08/2006 7:23:59 AM PST by PISANO
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To: no dems

Republicans that stayed home or voted dem, have blood on their hands.


64 posted on 11/08/2006 7:24:41 AM PST by thepresidentsbestfriend (Comparing democrats to human waste, is a insult to the human waste!)
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To: Antoninus

I didn't say libertarians were the core of the party for goodness sake. They provide a margin in close races like last night.

Without both factions in a divided electorate it is hard to win.

I am not a libertarian.


65 posted on 11/08/2006 7:36:16 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Coop

I made an observation about what happens here. So why so nasty to me?


66 posted on 11/08/2006 7:37:17 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: graf008

Are you suggesting that anyone who is not a religious conservative is a libertarian?

and is this a religious conservative forum? Or a conservative forum?

YOu mean nobody who is not religious can be a conservative?


67 posted on 11/08/2006 7:38:49 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

I mean this is a religious conservative forum. Not just a conservative forum, since often religious social issues, in this forum, are much more important to people than economic conservative issues (although that is not to say liberal economic issues ae welcome).

Quite frankly, if you are more libertarian you are closer to me political than many people. However, I have learned to stop bringing up the more 'libertarian' issues for discussion here and just focus on social issues where there is broad agreement.


68 posted on 11/08/2006 7:42:58 AM PST by graf008
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To: cajungirl

I made an observation in response. Why so whiny?


69 posted on 11/08/2006 7:43:38 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop

That's true. I think the core of this board is social issues. That is where the passions are. Economic issues often take a backseat.


70 posted on 11/08/2006 7:45:23 AM PST by graf008
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To: PISANO

We have a better chance with Ben Nelson than Lieberman IMO.


71 posted on 11/08/2006 7:49:26 AM PST by Clump
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To: Antoninus
If you truly think that the liberal-tarians are the core of the GOP, then why did the Dems pull out Foley in October to scare of the religious conservatives? Answer: Because the numbers o liberal-tarians in the GOP are negligible--almost irrelevant. There just happen to be a lot of you on Free Republic.

You don't have to be a libertarian to want smaller, less intrusive government. That issue has broad appeal. It's what swept the GOP into power 12 years ago, and the loss of that ideal is what enabled to Dems to sweep us back out.

72 posted on 11/08/2006 7:50:25 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: wagglebee

Lieberman has said he's a dem and will be staying dem in his acceptance speech last night. He's not switching.


73 posted on 11/08/2006 7:54:54 AM PST by Toby06 (jon carry is a piece of s#it)
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To: cajungirl

I think he means that anyone who is not a evangelical Christian or an orthodox Jew cannot be a "true" conservative.


74 posted on 11/08/2006 7:55:30 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: arroyob

It's just so hard for me to understand how this could happen in Virginia!


Nancee


75 posted on 11/08/2006 7:57:22 AM PST by Nancee
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To: Toby06

Well, yeah, since the dems are probably going to be in charge in the Senate. The repubs don't have anything to offer him now.


76 posted on 11/08/2006 8:03:02 AM PST by KsSunflower
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To: Toby06

Well, yeah, since the dems are probably going to be in charge in the Senate. The repubs don't have anything to offer him now.


77 posted on 11/08/2006 8:03:57 AM PST by KsSunflower
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To: KsSunflower
If the liberals hold on in Virginia it will be 49 to 49 with 2 independents. Both say they will vote with the democrats to organize the senate. If Liberman is offered committee chairmanships by the GOP, it might be 50 to 50 and Cheney would break the tie.
The most important issue to me is the war on terror. If the terrorists win, we'll all be dead. So I want to win the war first and foremost. So I say offer Liberman cmmittee Chairmanships.
78 posted on 11/08/2006 8:06:36 AM PST by jsmaineconservative
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To: paudio
"It seems all counties are in now, except for the absentees, of course.

What do you mean by "of course"? Most states count the absentees along with the regular ballotts, whlie others count them only later. Do you have info that Montana is in the later category?

79 posted on 11/08/2006 8:11:25 AM PST by cookcounty (John Kerry: On both sides of 3 wars. Four if you count the Battle for his Mouth.)
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To: wagglebee
"I don't think it would, he wouldn't need to switch parties, just stay and Independent and caucus with the GOP."

I believe that's what Jeffords did, and according to the Dems, switching parties immediately after the election is a "profound act of courage" so they would have no beef.

80 posted on 11/08/2006 8:24:37 AM PST by cookcounty (John Kerry: On both sides of 3 wars. Four if you count the Battle for his Mouth.)
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To: tobyhill

judicial committees.


81 posted on 11/08/2006 8:30:11 AM PST by arroyob
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To: nofaceveils


Democratic Tester
195,235 49%

Republican Burns
(Incumbent)
193,506 48%

Libertarian Jones
10,188 3%
99% precincts reporting - Updated: 10:57 a.m. ET
• More: Senate Results | Senate News | Montana Results

(map info) County results tables


82 posted on 11/08/2006 8:38:34 AM PST by arroyob
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To: Antoninus

The Republicans have already driven off their libertarian core, thus guaranteeing yesterday's fiasco, by their own antics (drunken-sailor spending, the Schiavo circus). Thus, the Democrats didn't need to lift a finger -- when you enemy is self-destructing, just kick back and pop some corn.


83 posted on 11/08/2006 10:56:44 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: RedStateRocker
When the Republican party starts realizing that the libertarian part of the 'base' is just as potentially solid and deserves a place at the table as much as the Judeo-Christian culture warriors they might do a little bit better.

Hopefully, yesterday's clue-by-four to the skull will lead to that realization. If so, they may recover a bit in 2008. If not... well, the Federalists are no more, the Whigs are no more, and there is no law of history that prevents the Republicans from following in their footsteps.

84 posted on 11/08/2006 10:58:44 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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