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HAS OUR TIME COME? (Blame CATO/Libertarians for this election result)
CATO Institute by way of Heretical Ideas.com ^ | 10/24/2006 | Tom Traina

Posted on 11/08/2006 8:08:12 AM PST by Matchett-PI

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To: dcam
"You stated that I didn't know the difference between a Republican and a Democrat. So I posed a quiz to you to see if you could tell the difference."

LOL! And your question was typical BS. You asked who was more conservative, then gave two names...a Republican who was running for office and a Democrat who wasn't...and they weren't even from the same state.

201 posted on 11/08/2006 11:56:18 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: AmishDude
They're too small and unreliable to help you win. It's like holding slime, they'll slip away no matter what you do. Better to go after the mushy middle than the couple of Libertarians.

Yeah, that worked out real well yesterday.

202 posted on 11/08/2006 12:02:21 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: PjhCPA
"What's your definition of conservative?"

You've got him in your signature. And he was a social conservative, whether you Libs want to admit it or not. He actively sought evangelicals and endorsed their movement. He didn't run away in disgust at them. He was anti-abortion, not "pro-choice". He was anti-drug...are you getting that Libbys? Reagan loathed drug use and drug users and those that tried to justify it. He was pro-Big Military; none of this "militia based adequate defense" crap. He wanted overwhelming force, not "adequate" force. He was a strong advocate for the US using it's influence to push freedom across the world, not isolationist. Yes, he wanted small government, as much as possible anyway. He wasn't prepared to sacrifice all of his other beliefs and goals on the alter of small government, though.

This stings liberarians so much because it's true; socially, they're identical to Democrats....legalized abortion, euthanisia, eugenics, anything-goes morals, drug use. Libertarians are nothing but Democrats that don't want to pay taxes.
203 posted on 11/08/2006 12:16:53 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: Matchett-PI

The Cato institute and libertarianism is not represented by the Libertarian party. It is clear that you do not understand liberty and libertarianism which is the theory that describes liberty and justifies it. Libertarianism is the foundation of conservatism, because liberty is what is to be conserved.

The turnout in this last election was around 35%. Of those voting straight R, at least 23-25% adhere to libertarian philosophy and they are raitonal, effective thinkers. They believe in liberty, they voted and they voted straight R. In your ignorance, you've confused libertarianism with the Liberttarian party, which does not get most of their votes from those that would otherwise vote R.

The Rs lost, because of high dem turnout for reasons of raiding the public treasury and a failure of the Rs to effectively convince the public that the war in Iraq was needed and justified. The blame goes to the R party for their failure to get out the vote. It is simply a shirking of responsibility to attemp to blame others, a good 23-25% of those who did vote and voted R, for the R party's failure to make and put forward convincing arguements to move a good portion of the population that didn't vote.

Your contention that authoritarianism would fly is rubbish, because only around 10-12% of the R voters hold to that philosophy. It is arbitrary and the only effect it has on those that didn't show up to vote is to annoy them. Amongst those that voted for some Ds, that annoyance was their principle motivation for voting D. Also, for your information, many of the Libertarian Party voters are otherwise Ds. The connection is simply stupidity and most often, simply to attempt legalized drug use. Those who know and understand what libertarianism is are not stupid, and they are 23-25% of the regular R turnout.


204 posted on 11/08/2006 12:38:02 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Matchett-PI

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52857

Rush Limbaugh's opinion is dead on. Don't blame the Libertarians. The Republicans are to blame.


205 posted on 11/08/2006 12:39:47 PM PST by cowtowney
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To: Antoninus
Libertarianism is a phenomenon which occurs when Republicans renege on their promises and abandon the small-government principle which is the sole foundation of their political legitimacy.

Fixed it for you.

206 posted on 11/08/2006 12:42:32 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Matchett-PI
I am willing to bet that if we look at all the close races last night, we will find that the Libertarian party candidate got most of the votes that would otherwise have gone to the Republican candidate.

Well, then, obviously the GOP needs to get cracking on a libertarian platform that will win those voters back in 2008.

207 posted on 11/08/2006 12:45:19 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Dead Corpse
That, is an outright lie. In fact, allowing completely unrestrained RKBA would do more to prevent crime and terroism here in the US than Bush's TSA and Homeland Security Departments ever could.

You get the real intent behind the second amendment.It's being nickel and dimed away by both parties. kudos

208 posted on 11/08/2006 12:48:03 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: rottweiller_inc
You get the real intent behind the second amendment.

Quite a few here do. Others, part of the "reasonable restrictions" socialist crowd whether they admit it or not.

209 posted on 11/08/2006 12:49:57 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: SamuraiScot
to realize that the people's freedom includes public spaces free from certain kinds of vice
The word free still existed in Newspeak, but it could only be used in such statements as "This dog is free from lice" or "This field is free from weeds". It could not be used in its old sense of "politically free" or "intellectually free" since political and intellectual freedom no longer existed even as concepts.
--George Orwell, Nineteeen Eighty-Four

210 posted on 11/08/2006 12:52:59 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: dirtboy
Yep, it was the Libertarians who were in bed with Jack Abramoff. It was the Libertarians who funnelled lobbying business to their daughter. It was the Libertarians who stuffed record numbers of earmarks into spending bills while borrowing money to finance the war in Iraq.

LOL -- shifting gears to Orwell's other well-known book, I propose that our resident libertarian-bashers replace the word "Libertarian" with the word "Snowball": it's shorter, easier to spell, and conveys exactly the same miniscule cargo of intellectual content.

211 posted on 11/08/2006 12:55:32 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: dbehsman
The border has been addressed.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!! I've seen drunks living on heat grates who exhibit less disconnection from reality than this statement.

Foley was out the day it was found out.

Foley was out back when Hastert was first warned about him? What was that guy in his seat up until last month? A clone? A hologram? An android?

Getting rid of a bunch of whinny, fickle, cut and run isolationists, perpetually unhappy loosertarians would help the Republican party immensely.

Yep, we don't need any of them pesky voters. Why, look at how well we've done by chasing a bunch of them off just yesterday!

212 posted on 11/08/2006 1:00:17 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Matchett-PI
Maybe that works for some states and for some close races. In a lot of states there aren't that many big L-Libertarian party libertarians, and the party didn't even run candidates. They may have been important in the Mountain States, but were they that much of a factor elsewhere?

Ramesh Ponnuru has a cover story in the new National Review about Cato's view of things: according to him, there are fewer libertarians or "economic conservatives" in the country than traditionalists or social conservatives, so however you slice it, the libertarians aren't going to play the leading role in the Republican party.

213 posted on 11/08/2006 1:01:59 PM PST by x
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To: AmishDude
Better to go after the mushy middle

Yeah, that worked so well yesterday....

214 posted on 11/08/2006 1:02:21 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
Third parties this country usually subvert their own general interests.

just where did you get this pearl of wisdom you so freely dispense? You seem to be locked into the enshrined two party mentality that infects so many. Your breed wants status quo no matter if both parties have identical aims that are no good for the country. The only reason a viable third party has yet to rise up is both parties have a lock on the electoral mechanisms. And btw the 'throwing away your vote' on a third rings hollow if one gets the 5% needed to be part of the debates.

215 posted on 11/08/2006 1:02:38 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: Matchett-PI

LOL, no. :p


216 posted on 11/08/2006 1:03:18 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: DesScorp

Whine whine whine....


217 posted on 11/08/2006 1:04:09 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Matchett-PI

btt


218 posted on 11/08/2006 1:06:06 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Matchett-PI

Bookmark.


219 posted on 11/08/2006 1:06:46 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: rottweiller_inc

That, and most 3rd party people are too lazy to try to build an organization from the ground up. How often do you get your door knocked on by libertarian candidates, and how often do you see them passing out flyers, posting signs, or setting up local party hqs?

Also, they want to go straight to the big leagues instead of winning local, county, and state level seats where they might actually have a chance.

As long as these two things hold true, they'll never go anywhere except in their own imaginations.


220 posted on 11/08/2006 1:06:53 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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