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MSNBC/AP Bulletin: Rumsfeld Steps Down
MSNBC/AP | 11.8.06

Posted on 11/08/2006 9:51:57 AM PST by mhking

This is just crossing my desk now; nothing follows yet. According to some sources this is the subject of the noon presser.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: buhbyerummy; freepersactinglikedu; lameduckprez; rumsfeld; yikes
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To: Caesar Soze
...who's the next SecDef going to be?

If he weren't enjoying retirement so much....Norman Schwarzkopf. However, I don't think he would do it.

351 posted on 11/08/2006 10:16:41 AM PST by Apple Blossom (...around here, city hall is something of a between meals snack.)
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To: Coop

Hate to disagree but after what he did with the BRAC -- was part of three bases that disagreed with his decision and we won. They used flawed data to get them closed. He has been bad for Air Force Materiel Command and the AF and his decision to embed reporters is costing us right now in Iraq and has cost us.

I heard two people who just got back from Iraq last night and others who are blaming the media that Rumsfeld has refused to take out of the units for a lot of their problems in Iraq. Every step they take is detailed by a reporter with a mic shoved in their face and pictures streamed back to the US with spin.

As a loyal member of the AF community knowing what he has done to the AF in recent years, it was time for him to go and you will hear cheers throughout the AF as this gets out.

I would imagine I speak for the Navy air wings as well since he has also been after them.

Too many reporters on the field of battle with pictures streamed into our living rooms has cost us in Iraq and he is the one responsible.


352 posted on 11/08/2006 10:17:10 AM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Thanks Aggies for your 12th Man!)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Thanks for the clarification.


353 posted on 11/08/2006 10:17:25 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Coop

Oh yes it is almost assured that Iraq will end just like Vietname did years ago. Vietnamization then Iraqization now. Islam wins West loses. Look out Europe you are next and the USA will not get into it.


354 posted on 11/08/2006 10:17:26 AM PST by jpsb
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To: concerned about politics

W needs to find his balls...this is looking bad.


355 posted on 11/08/2006 10:17:34 AM PST by maineman
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To: rintense
Ok, so did Bush jusst admit he lied?

I'm jumping in here rintense, can you explain your comment please for those of us unable to watch or listen? thank you!

356 posted on 11/08/2006 10:17:37 AM PST by prairiebreeze (God bless our fine military and their families.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Yes, but first, the 'evil' Rove must get President Bush to nominate someone the Democrats will object to, then he can nominate Lieberman.


357 posted on 11/08/2006 10:17:45 AM PST by relee
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To: Mo1
Just heartsick. Looks like W started on this change before the weekend. Rummy .. what a great man and innovator. He's been a singularly original leader, and I love him. I just hate to see him leave like this, and I don't think we can even imagine how much he did for this country nor how much it will miss him, his devotion and unique skills. Go with God, Rummy ...THANK YOU for all the remarkable things you've done. You'll always be a hero to me.

God bless you, President Bush.

358 posted on 11/08/2006 10:17:45 AM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: TomGuy
So that story is basically saying the AP guy saw Rummy go to work today and Rummy didn't say anything to him. Suddenly it becomes ' Rummy has no plans to step down'.

See, you gotta know how the AP scumballs work.

359 posted on 11/08/2006 10:18:08 AM PST by RushCrush (I voted straight ticket GOP here in Chicago!)
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To: maineman

Someone needs to pull him away from the podium....this is really awful.


360 posted on 11/08/2006 10:18:43 AM PST by maineman
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To: prairiebreeze

Now he's backtracking. This is a fiasco.


361 posted on 11/08/2006 10:18:50 AM PST by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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To: hawkaw

I'm just sick to my stomach.
Rummy has been required to put up with all sorts of sh!t from all sides.

What a sad day."

Me also. I am more bothered by this and the implications with the WOT than I am over the loss of the House seats.


362 posted on 11/08/2006 10:19:08 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Howlin
The media smells blood in the water and Bush sounds like he's on the defensive
363 posted on 11/08/2006 10:19:23 AM PST by Mo1 (Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is 2 heart beats away from the Presidency)
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To: jess35

No wonder the military industrial complex wanted Rummy out.

Great, now they can peddle more of their obsolete crap.


364 posted on 11/08/2006 10:19:25 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Those who know the truth need to speak out against these kinds of myths, and lies, and distortions..)
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To: SevenofNine

"I wonder if Rummy was force out or just decided to quit
"

Rummy isn't a quiter. He was forced out. Bush's conference makes that fairly clear.


365 posted on 11/08/2006 10:19:59 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: RushCrush
I will repeat that this is a bunch of crap.
You want me to believe that a bunch of commie pacifist pukes know what is better for our security ?


We are like the declining Roman Empire. The barbarians (Islamofacists) are at the gate, and all we care about is who will give us a better circus. Well, we have San Fran Nan as 3rd in line. God help the United States.

Thank you swing voters. We thank you very much. Enjoy the trained Donkeys. You killed all the Elephants.
366 posted on 11/08/2006 10:20:18 AM PST by BigEdLB (BigEd)
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To: SmoothTalker

"The hits just keep coming. Its safe to say that this time tommorow I couldn't imagine how horrible a 24 hour period this would be.
"

Don't let down your guard yet. There's more to come, I'm almost certain. It could even be Cheney next. I have no idea what would happen then.

Times are wierd.


367 posted on 11/08/2006 10:20:27 AM PST by MineralMan (Non-evangelical atheist)
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To: JohnRam

I'll ditto this remark, tho it will be like post number 2 zillion.

Rummy should have quit/got the sack over a year ago.

Certainly after he moved the 172nd to Baghdad for 4 more months, after a year on station....that may have cost some Republicans in Alaska.....

An exCIA type seems to have the nod as a replacemant.


368 posted on 11/08/2006 10:20:29 AM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: Blue State Insurgent

W needs to 'tag' Dick...get out there Mr. VP.


369 posted on 11/08/2006 10:20:48 AM PST by maineman
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To: HHKrepublican_2

Best suggestion I've seen.


370 posted on 11/08/2006 10:21:05 AM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: Redleg Duke
Boltons confirmation was one of the first things I thought about this morning. At the very damned least our party needs to get that done. We both know the dems will throw Bolton overboard with glee.
- and as a side note: I wish the president will stopped cracking wise with the reporters. Stop laughing. None of this is funny Mr. President.
371 posted on 11/08/2006 10:21:17 AM PST by warsaw44
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To: BigSkyFreeper

LOL .... he calls Nancy .. Congresswomen Pelosi


372 posted on 11/08/2006 10:21:34 AM PST by Mo1 (Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is 2 heart beats away from the Presidency)
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To: JohnRam
-"Why cry? This should have been done a year ago. Lack of good planning cost all republicans"

I totally agree. The 'Rumsfeld strategy' to conduct the Iraq campaign, i.e. blitzkrieg into Iraq with light army force (150,000-175,000 total force), was incapable of conducting an 'active' occupation force. We "PCd" the war effort, by short-changing our capabilities so as to "not offend" the ARABS, not attack and demolish the entire country, and incarcerate all the 'bad guys', and this is why we're in the mess we're in.

Many here can't see past the obvious. We all wanted the war. We all wanted to win. But it didnt happen to the successful conclusion that we all wanted, and it has been plainly obvious that we did not conduct and prosecute this was effort with the right approach.

After 3 years, the report card is in, and the Administration has gotten a "F"!

373 posted on 11/08/2006 10:22:00 AM PST by The Bronze Titan
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To: wagglebee

I hope Rummy write his memiors that be book to read LOL!

Rummy would be private citizen he could smack chat anybody if he wish


374 posted on 11/08/2006 10:22:19 AM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: Uncle Vlad
Yes, they will find another punching bag but it takes alot more energy for them to find a new punching bag than to keep punching the old one.
375 posted on 11/08/2006 10:22:27 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: dirtboy

Heh. Interesting take, but if the Dems think they won because of their 'anti-war' stance (vs. opposition to Bush's dilatory prosecution), then I don't think so.


376 posted on 11/08/2006 10:22:41 AM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: SmoothTalker

"Rummy isn't a quiter. He was forced out. Bush's conference makes that fairly clear.
"

I believe you are correct. It was a mistake, given the day it happened. Uffda!


377 posted on 11/08/2006 10:22:51 AM PST by MineralMan (Non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Txsleuth

Rumsfeld may have fallen on the sword, so to speak.


378 posted on 11/08/2006 10:23:03 AM PST by prairiebreeze (God bless our fine military and their families.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

I hope extreemly myopic morons like you enjoy the F- you are about to get.


379 posted on 11/08/2006 10:23:05 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (FORMER Republican and Bush supporter... RIP Mr. Rumsfeld.)
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To: frogjerk

You're probably right.


380 posted on 11/08/2006 10:23:06 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: PhiKapMom
I don't give a hoot about BRAC. That was around long before him and will be around long after him.

He has been nothing short of magnificent under incredibly difficult circumstances, and I'm surprised to see you here piling on. It's pathetic.

381 posted on 11/08/2006 10:23:22 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: TNCMAXQ
Maybe GWB wants to appoint a new sec. now though while the Repubs are still in control because when Dems have their Senate majority he probably wont be able to get any nominees through.

So they filibuster until then
382 posted on 11/08/2006 10:23:54 AM PST by uncbob
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To: SevenofNine

"Rummy would be private citizen he could smack chat anybody if he wish
"

Is that English? Could you please restate it?


383 posted on 11/08/2006 10:24:23 AM PST by MineralMan (Non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Coop

Why, Coop, why?....I don't understand the logic behind this decision.


384 posted on 11/08/2006 10:24:24 AM PST by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: Coop
And for that you may thank Jack Murtha, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, virtually the entire planet... but not President Bush or Sec. Rumsfeld.

Yes and no! It is true that Murtha, Kerry, Pelosi, Dean, etc, instigated this feeling of Vietnam, but the response from Pres. Bush, Sec. Rumsfeld, and the GOP has not been effective in countering that feeling.

Images resonate with the public and the MSM has been bombarding us with images of bombings and deaths in Iraq. We never responded with images of the rebuilding of Iraq. If the MSM didn't air it, the RNC certainly had enough money to buy air time.

385 posted on 11/08/2006 10:24:42 AM PST by Anti-MSM
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To: Mo1

She hasn't been voted in as Speaker yet.


386 posted on 11/08/2006 10:25:04 AM PST by guinnessman
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To: wagglebee

I doubt he was planning it. We've heard he's offered to step down numerous times, and this time, Bush didn't stop him.

I am angry and sad that this man's honorable career and dedication to this country has ended like this, and that he will be written about (seeing the libs writes all the school books) as having "resigned in disgrace."

He deserves better than this.


387 posted on 11/08/2006 10:25:16 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: SmoothTalker

So he fell on his sword for good of the party


388 posted on 11/08/2006 10:25:39 AM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: warsaw44
Stop laughing. None of this is funny Mr. President.

Ditto! Bad timing GWB...bad timing!

389 posted on 11/08/2006 10:25:44 AM PST by nfldgirl ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")
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To: MineralMan

At this point, the only thing that could really surprise me is if the President resigned. Cheney would make it interesting, but it wouldn't be a shocker. I think my shock is about used up.


390 posted on 11/08/2006 10:26:23 AM PST by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: prairiebreeze

I don't really care why...and I am sure you are right.

It just sucks, big time.

All we have heard from the Dems and Rinos is "get rid of Rummy"...for months.

So...what happens the day after the election??

Rummy is gone.

Who ever made the decision for whatever reason...I still HATE IT.

I am a RUMMY fan..

After the disappointment of last night..I just wish I didn't have to have another one so soon...(feeling sorry for myself..lol)


391 posted on 11/08/2006 10:26:33 AM PST by Txsleuth (EVERYONE VOTE---AND VOTE REPUBLICAN,...even if you have to hold your nose!)
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To: Question_Assumptions

I agree. The name on the first soepena was going to say Rumsfeld. The man has got to be exausted. No sense in letting the Dems take swings at you for 2 years.


392 posted on 11/08/2006 10:26:40 AM PST by NImerc
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To: mhking

cutting losses and rearranging power structure


393 posted on 11/08/2006 10:26:49 AM PST by Cinnamon
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To: SmoothTalker
Rummy isn't a quiter. He was forced out. Bush's conference makes that fairly clear.

Boy, Bush isn't very loyal is he? For someone that demands it, he certainly doesn't return it. Rummy is/was/will always be terrific. I am soooooo disappointed in Bush.

394 posted on 11/08/2006 10:26:56 AM PST by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: montag813
Americans don't give a crap how many Iraqi civilians we kill, so long as we win decisively. Instead we pussyfooted around Fallujah, investigated our men men incessantly, left Al Sadr alive (can you imagine MacArthur doing that?) and never took revenge for those charred and mutilated American bodies (again, Al Sadr should have died for that alone).

So they voted for the appeasement party

That makes no sense
395 posted on 11/08/2006 10:27:00 AM PST by uncbob
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To: All

You know, I see alot of recess appointments coming if the Senate stall appointments. This is because the appointments will be good until the end of W's term.

Under the constitution can the President recess appoint someone to VP if Cheney resigns.

If so, how about Rudy.


396 posted on 11/08/2006 10:27:13 AM PST by BigEdLB (BigEd)
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To: conservativepoet; All
I am baffled. How hard is it for Bush to simply do what the conservative voices call for? Why is this so difficult? he makes no friends either way so why not try to satisfy your base?

Totally dumbfounded here.

397 posted on 11/08/2006 10:27:20 AM PST by RushCrush (I voted straight ticket GOP here in Chicago!)
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To: DarthVader
"How about Tommy Franks?"

No way!

398 posted on 11/08/2006 10:27:31 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: FreedomNeocon
-"I hope extreemly myopic morons like you enjoy the F- you are about to get. "

Keep thinking that. It's your type of bull-headedness-thinking that will keep us in that damn Iraq another 10 years, and cost us all 3 branches of government.

399 posted on 11/08/2006 10:27:43 AM PST by The Bronze Titan
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To: Mean Maryjean

Bush is really out of it today! Enough already! What's going on with him?!


400 posted on 11/08/2006 10:28:29 AM PST by nfldgirl ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")
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