Posted on 11/08/2006 7:21:48 PM PST by SW6906
Dead Corpse, why take a chance with chamber pressure? There are zillions of .308 diameter bullets out there for use in the .308 Win, 30-06, etc.. Save the Russian diameters for the Russian cases.
BTW, your first link only shows what I have stated earlier: it is acceptable to load a .308 diameter bullet into a Russian case (but not the other way around). Your second and third links reference only the Russian cartridge.
For anyone who will listen, NEVER load the larger Russian bullets for use in the smaller .308 caliber rifles (.308 Win, 30-06, 30-30, etc.. If ain't worth it.
A force that is in a fight, or which anticipates someday being in one, has a need for reserves. Unless the mere existence of those reserves is specifically intended to have a deterrent effect, it is best that the reserves remain unknown to the actual or potential enemy (and even if that's the goal, those reserves need to be secure from seizure or destruction). A good example of this is the Soviets, who had over 100 divisions that the Germans never knew about before invading in 1941. When the Germans had destroyed, captured or made combat ineffective the 180 divisions that their intelligence said the Russkies had, while the Russians were still fighting like mad, they realized that they were in deep trouble.
In a situation with guns in civilian hands, there are clearly records out there about most guns sold in the last 38 years, plus any older ones that were sold as used through FFLs. In a worst case scenario, one would have to assume a knock on the door by a dozen or so vested and well-armed individuals who had a list of all of your guns. Then is not the time to say that they were lost or stolen or destroyed or sold, etc. - it is the time for handing them over or dying along with your family. If, however, you wanted to live to see your kids and grandkids grow up, and to see them live in freedom, you'll have previously acted like a 2-legged squirrel and put something away for a rainy day. Since acting alone is usually less effective than acting in concert with like-minded people, it'll be time to organize and make plans - and only later will those plans be implemented and need equipment to do so. This'll also be a time for keeping one's head low and not coming to anyone's attention - hence the need for secure reserves that are available much later than when a bunch of JBTs comes to your door.
So, ignoring my simplistic response click the following:
Scroll down to: "Military cartridges in 7.62 mm calibre "
Good luck,
Jim
With respect, I disagree. The time to cache is when there is no immediate threat, or one looming distantly on the horizon - i.e. when you've got the time to find one or more good locations, pack things up the right way, add to them occasionally, etc. In this context, it also gives you the ability to acquire things off paper while that is still legal.
Picking the correct time, tactically and strategically, to fight, and the best method of fighting (i.e. with words, strikes, or "other methods") is a matter for consideration in the future, based on the facts and circumstances THEN. Running off on the spur of the moment to snipe at a bunch of armor-clad JBTs who can call in lots of back-up in a few minutes is a quick ticket to visiting your ancestors, and does little good to those you leave behind or the cause of freedom. Our enemies have had patience (mostly) and have thought through their scheme over a period of decades - and we should learn something from that.
762x51 NATO = .308
726x39 = AK or SKS type
762x54 = Mosin Nagant or Dragunov (I have also seen 762x54R but I'm not sure this is the same round).
One of the best places I know of to cache your extra supply is in the remote areas of state or federal parks, just across the fence from adjoining private property.
Remember to keep it above flood level and try to avoid heavy snow areas.
>>We're already profiled.<<
Yes we are. That is why IMO, we should stash our extra tools away. I wouldn't be surprised if some day a gang of Feds bangs on the door and demands all my weapons. Go ahead and take everything in the safe will be my smiling response, knowing that I have other specialized tools within 3 to 40 miles along all the highways leaving town.
Taking a $50 rifle and burying it, then digging it up two years later will tell you if you have the technique down pat.
Myself, I like PVC 8" sewer pipe with mechanical plug. Another friend prefers his PVC columns. http://instantarch.com/products_column_cap_base.htm
Now that's high class stuff there. LOL
I need to replace mine.
Have you ever used Styrofoam Housewrap Insulation to wrap rifles in? It is the same stuff as egg cartons are made of but thinner and flexible. Roll the rifle about six or eith times and you're ready for the plastic bags.
The replies are almost better than the excellent original post!
If that day comes, they likely won't 'bang' on your door, rather flash-bang grenades lobbed in after breaking it down.
Hopefully your dogs will still be alive at that point (if you own any) and you wont be holding anything that can be construed as a weapon.
Lord help us if the witch regains the reins to power and control of the IRS, BATFE.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
7.62: a great round, so good our military and most of the free world uses it. Consequently, because of the war, a lot of it that would be available for us to buy is going to kill our scumbag Muslim enemies. As a result, the price has shot up (no pun intended) over the last year and a half. There is some good Indian surplus stuff out there, and maybe some South African, but the price for both of these was way up the last time I went shopping for ammo. I haven't seen any of the really good Portuguese and Israeli surplus stuff for a while now...hopefully there will be some at the gun show tomorrow.
7.62x39: also good, doesn't hit as hard as the 7.62x51, though. Numbers approximate the .30-30 from what I've seen, which makes the 7.62x39 soft point a good deer round, too. Prices have almost doubled over the last year, also likely due to the war and Chavez stocking up for that Yankee invasion he's been talking about for the last few years.
7.62x54 and 7.92 (8mm Mauser): both are old WW1-2 rounds, used by the Sovs and the Germans respectively. Plentiful and CHEAP! Better yet, Mosin-Nagants and Turkish Mausers are cheap and effective rifles, and if you have a Curio and Relic license, they can be delivered directly to your door. No, I don't sell these, but I do highly recommend them. Mausers aren't as sexy as AKs, HK-91s, FALs, but they do the same job just as good, and you can use 'em on your next deer or elk hunt, too.
Happy shopping...enjoy it while you can, bro.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Wku,
I'm definitely gonna buy a 762 something. I am leaning toward the 30.06 (763x63). The ammo seems to be readily available and if the SHTF I feel that there would be plenty around. I really looking at the CMP Garand (service grade $425) though if I could find one 'off the books' I would probably be willing to spend a bit more.
One reason (main reason) I'm leaning toward the Garand is 'they keep on shooting no matter what' and they have super knock down as well as 'reach out and touch you' capabilities with 8 available rounds for not much cash outlay.
I am gonna look around here some more. I know of a couple of Mosins I could get for under 100 but some how I'm just not excited about them.
ALL input is gratefully accepted and if you have more 'fire when ready'
BTW I always have a pot of coffee on!
Hehehehe...yeah, I've had one on continuously since Tuesday!
Yeah, I'm a huge fan of the Garand myself, just don't have one (yet). My Dad has a beautiful Match Grade M1, but I'm afraid he'd turn me over his knee if he even caught me looking at it...and he's 71! I've started stocking up on surplus .30-06, though. The CMP website has some Greek (I think), and you can usually find semi-corrosive Korean surplus in the 8-rd. clips in Shotgun News. Just be sure to clean your rifle immediately after shooting the corrosive stuff (always a good habit to be in anyway).
That said, even if Mosins don't excite you, they're great cache weapons, and are also great hunting rifles. A buddy of mine never fails to take a buck with his Mosin. Plus, the ammo is cheap, cheap, cheap! It's not too expensive a proposition to buy a few for the bad times to come, if/when you need to arm a few buddies or family members.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
I remember it well. I was signed on as someone else then.
BTW - He did not call for violence. He only hoped that the quislings would be hung from trees when the civil war starts.
I happen to hope similarly.
I share his sentiment.
He did not bang his sword, rally the rebels and call for violence, nor did he say he would personally hang the quislings from trees, nor did he patently call for others to hang the quislings from trees.
He did hope that the quislings got their just due, (by hanging from trees) but he never called for unrest nor encouraged others to do so.
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