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FUTURE OF THE GOP - All factions agree it's time to start over on an agenda
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 11/9/6 | Carolyn Lochhead

Posted on 11/09/2006 7:48:23 AM PST by SmithL

Washington -- Republicans woke Wednesday to a coast-to-coast wreckage in the midterm congressional elections that many acknowledged was of their own making.

Tuesday's political earthquake -- destroying Republican majorities that took decades to build -- slammed the door on the Bush era and opened the door to recrimination, regrouping and a rethinking of the party's governing philosophy.

"I can tell you none of us wants to spend a minute longer in the minority than we have to, but I think we recognize that this is not a loss where you can just repackage the same agenda and move ahead," said Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., who coasted to re-election by campaigning against "earmarked" spending for lawmakers' pet projects and for comprehensive immigration reform. "We need a major course correction, and some of us have been making that argument for quite a while."

Just what that course correction will be -- a return to the party's small-government roots, a new centrism or something else -- will take shape as surviving Republicans choose new leaders, decide how to work with the new Democratic majorities in the House and the Senate and take sides in what will be a wide-open contest for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination to succeed President Bush.

The loss of the House was expected, but the loss of the Senate came as a hard shock to the party. The consequences are devastating to the survivors, who with their majorities also lose the chairmanship of every policymaking committee -- the power centers on Capitol Hill.

The post-rout housecleaning started first thing Wednesday.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert announced that he would step down, while back-bench fiscal conservatives led by Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., began plotting a takeover.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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To: fortheDeclaration

--The key is not letting that wing effect policy, as we were letting the RHINO's do in the GOP.--


Problem is that congresscritters are supposed to dance with the ones who brung 'em. If the House and Senate leadership doesn't let these "blue dogs" do that, then those who "brung 'em" will find dance partners from the other party. When congressional leaders force backbenchers into lockstep, it damages the transmission belt between people and their reps.


51 posted on 11/09/2006 9:14:29 AM PST by ruffedgrouse (Think outside the box, dammit!)
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To: Biggirl
The GOP must get back to its conserivitive roots bigtime.

Just from the looks of the kind of posts found on FR, my guess is there is little or no chance of that happening. Unfortunately, it will be a further move to the left IMO.

52 posted on 11/09/2006 9:35:53 AM PST by penowa
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To: meg88

It'll never happen, don't even waste your time.


53 posted on 11/09/2006 9:36:41 AM PST by Hildy (RUDY GUILIANI FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008)
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To: dfwgator
I agree but I think conservatives gave the wishy-washy middle plenty of reasons to vote for Dims. We, along with conservative politicians attacked each other and let the Dims continually get their message out. When the MSM came out with some complaint about the president or the Republican-held congress there was always at least one Pubbie out there spewing the Dim party line.

It's a shame that they don't have a Hippocratic oath that makes them pledge "First, do no harm." before they can be a member of the party.

54 posted on 11/09/2006 12:02:28 PM PST by tiki
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To: Biggirl

Too late, because the conservative movement has long since been marched over the cliff to the fervent cheers of the neo-conservatives that have banished and slandered the Old Right as troglodyte racists.

Bush will agree to a hike in the minimum wage in exchange for the crown jewel of his domestic agenda: amnesty and guest workers, who will proceed to birth lots of new US citizen spawn. And with Hispanics voting 75% Democrat, both parties will run to the left to court them.


55 posted on 11/09/2006 12:15:54 PM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: meg88

Ditto!


56 posted on 11/09/2006 12:18:27 PM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: SteamshipTime

What happened Tuesday will be the starting point for a much needed cleanup, rebuilding, and a much needed retooling so that the next time, the Pubs will bring their "A game".


57 posted on 11/09/2006 1:17:50 PM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: Biggirl

The next time the Republicans will be more liberal, in order to try and capture the votes of the 75% of Hispanics who vote Democrat. The Republicans under George Bush and his buddies at the AEI have embraced open borders and this will bring in millions of social democratic voters with no tradition or history of limited government. Old Right conservatism is dead and buried.


58 posted on 11/09/2006 1:59:05 PM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: fortheDeclaration

If Congress makes it legal for 2 million Third Worlders to enter every year, and to give birth to brand new US citizens in the delivery rooms of public hospitals, are you still for LEGAL immigration?


59 posted on 11/09/2006 2:19:00 PM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: SmithL
"We need a major course correction, and some of us have been making that argument for quite a while."

Stating the obvious.

60 posted on 11/09/2006 2:27:13 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: SteamshipTime
If Congress makes it legal for 2 million Third Worlders to enter every year, and to give birth to brand new US citizens in the delivery rooms of public hospitals, are you still for LEGAL immigration?

I am always for legal immigration.

That is what this nation was built on.

61 posted on 11/09/2006 2:30:59 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: fortheDeclaration

Nonsense. The US is a former British colony founded by English and Scots-Irish. Immigration has brought us nothing but cultural and classical Marxism and criminality. Just look at the Rust Belt and the liberal Northeast urban hellholes for the legacy of immigration.

And are you for legal immigration of Arab Wahabbists? Nigerian scam artists? Honduran gangbangers? When Bush and this Congress roll out the welcome mat that is what you are going to get. And they won't be coming here with copies of the Declaration in their pockets.


62 posted on 11/10/2006 5:44:07 AM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: SmithL
immigration reform

I find this phrase infuriating. What the Hell is there to reform ? Immigration laws are already there, but nobody gives a damn about enforcing them.

63 posted on 11/10/2006 5:54:33 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: fortheDeclaration
I am always for legal immigration

This nation cannot take even legal immigrants forever. Unless a potential immigrant has something of value to contribute, I don't see the point of it.

64 posted on 11/10/2006 5:59:46 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: SmithL
The real agenda hasn't changed: social security reform, health care reform, school choice, tax reform, controlling the borders, balancing the budget. Everything else is window dressing.

We need to elect people who aren't afraid of their own shadows. This is a classic Newt moment. Where Gingrich always excelled was in finding positive ways to frame the message. That's the skill that is so sorely lacking right now.

65 posted on 11/10/2006 6:00:31 AM PST by sphinx
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To: tiki
We..let the Dims continually get their message out

Oh please, what message would that be, pray tell. If at all, it was automatically opposing Bush on the issue of the day.

66 posted on 11/10/2006 6:05:57 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Their message was that Republicans were evil and corrupt.


67 posted on 11/10/2006 9:45:09 AM PST by tiki
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To: SmithL

Just keep telling American voters that they're lazy and that "hard workers" have to be imported.Yeah,that'll get the votes in.(sarc)


68 posted on 11/10/2006 10:24:10 AM PST by quack
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Well, all you are doing is making the requirements for being a legal immigrant more strigent, but not ending legal immigrantion.

This nation has plenty of room for more immigrants.

The problem is we are not teaching them to be Americans and to reject what was wrong with the nations they left.

69 posted on 11/10/2006 11:09:32 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: SteamshipTime
Now it is you who is talking nonsense.

This nation is a nation of immigrants.

Now, a nation has a right to pick those they allow in their nation, but the Statue of Liberty is what Americanism is about.

What the other nations reject, send to us, and with hard work and desire, they will succeed.

The problem is not immigrants, the problem is welfare and multiculturalism.

70 posted on 11/10/2006 11:16:58 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: fortheDeclaration

No, the US is (or was) a nation of Anglo-Celt descendants of British colonists. The Emma Lazarus poem is unique to the people from New York City who sponsored the Statue of Liberty project in the 1880's.

"The problem is not immigrants, the problem is welfare and multiculturalism."

Care to tell me how you are going to get rid of welfare and multiculturalism while importing ever more welfare and multicult constituents?


71 posted on 11/13/2006 12:41:28 PM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: SteamshipTime
Care to tell me how you are going to get rid of welfare and multiculturalism while importing ever more welfare and multicult constituents?

The way it always has, by turning them into Americans.

People come here because they do not like where they are, because America offers them something better.

What they need to learn is why America is better then the nations they left,what makes us different is our individual freedom.

We are nation of individuals, not tribes, racial or ethnic groups, as they are in those nations they left.

72 posted on 11/13/2006 1:53:45 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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