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Conservatives Mobilize Against Wal-Mart
CNS News ^ | 11/09/06 | Susan Jones

Posted on 11/09/2006 10:10:32 AM PST by Froufrou

Wal-Mart, long pummeled by the political left, is taking additional flak from the right.

A conservative activist group is trying to recruit one million families who will refuse to shop at Wal-Mart or Sam's Club on the Friday and Saturday after Thanksgiving, traditionally two of the busiest shopping days of the year.

The American Family Association is furious with Wal-Mart for reaching out to homosexual advocacy groups that support same-sex marriage.

The criticism began when Wal-Mart announced it would join the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce. And now Wal-Mart has made a deal with the Washington DC Center for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender People, agreeing to donate 5 percent of the sales made through the group's website to the Center.

"Every purchase made online for books, music, videos, clothing and accessories, children's clothing and toys, and electronics at the site will automatically send 5% of the sales to the CCBLBT People," the AFA said in a message to its supporters.

"The agreement is an indication that Wal-Mart is totally committed to supporting the homosexual movement," the AFA said.

The conservative advocacy group complains that Wal-Mart also gave a "generous cash donation" to the Northwest Arkansas Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Community Center, helping to provide a place where homosexuals can come together to "socialize."

The AFA says Wal-Mart should have remained neutral in the cultural battle over homosexual marriage.

It says Wal-Mart made an "ideological" decision, not a business decision.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: afa; affiliatesite; americanfamassoc; ccblbt; clueless; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexualmarriage; lbgtqq; lgbtqq; misleading; reactionary; walmart
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To: Gabz
My internet connection was down for awhile so I'm just catching up.

Actions have consequences. WalMart is paying them because AFA does like what WM has done

Exactly. That's what the AFA wants to get out to like minded folks.

201 posted on 11/09/2006 4:15:13 PM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: MEGoody
I was a little leary of using the term donation, but being in a hurry and all... It's probably better termed a pass-thru fee. It's definitely a way to get more business but the cost to our culture is the issue the AFA and others have.
202 posted on 11/09/2006 4:17:29 PM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: Gabz
I really don't care who supports AFA or who they support, and I don't care who WalMart supports when it has no impact on me.

And that's for you. Others, such as those who support the AFA, see doing business with a gay organization as something that affects the culture of our nation, and that affects others. As Paul said to the Corinthian church, bad company corrupts good morals. Of course we might disagree as to what denotes bad character...

203 posted on 11/09/2006 4:25:47 PM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: Froufrou

It's been a whole WEEK since you've had chocolate??? You need to be on a prayer list!


204 posted on 11/09/2006 4:26:53 PM PST by bonfire
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To: My2Cents

I'm starting to find customer service more appealing than savings. The WM here has irritated the heck out of me. Crappy manager.


205 posted on 11/09/2006 4:30:53 PM PST by Marie (Enjoy it Dems. It won't happen next time.)
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To: the Real fifi

(If you're going to boycott every business that doesn't agree with 100% you'd better start growing your own food, hitching up the oxcart and weaving your own linens.

You outliers remind me of my toddler grand daughter who thinks she controls the ocean tides when she raises her arms on the seashore.)



Well the Amish do do what you are suggesting and for a simple lifestyle they seem to live rather well! Maybe we should do more to emulate Amish folk!



206 posted on 11/09/2006 4:32:30 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Save the Republic! Mess with the polling firms' heads!)
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To: Froufrou
Ford did something like this and they weren't attacked by AFA, IIRC.

You don't remember correctly.
207 posted on 11/09/2006 4:32:54 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Marie

Just for the record, Target has an atrocious return policy.


208 posted on 11/09/2006 4:33:35 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: Froufrou
Maybe I missed it in the other posts, but the way I see it is that "the 5%" (that some here say is no big deal) gets passed on to the rest of us who don't make their purchases through that homosexual org's website. Why should Wal-Mart be favoring one group over another? Sure, this is a free market, and the Company is free to do something this, but at the same time, we consumers are JUST AS FREE to choose to object to the company's new way of doing business.

Some of you make it sound as if those who object to Wal-Mart's jump into gay politics are unAmerican, or practically communist for boycotting them. We are not freagin' robots forced to choose the products we buy, based on the price alone...bowing down before Wal-Mart.

Choice is what the free-market is all about, and if people don't want to buy stuff at Wal-Mart for whatever reason their heart desires, then it's fine with me.

209 posted on 11/09/2006 4:34:05 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: Artemis Webb
WalMart has one goal and one goal only, PROFIT.

Wal-Mart's position on this issue, is NOT a business one but an ideological one... and it is obvious.
210 posted on 11/09/2006 4:36:00 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: right-wingin_It
Why should Wal-Mart be favoring one group over another?

You should read this post, carefully and fully.

211 posted on 11/09/2006 4:38:33 PM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: Froufrou
I made my decision to boycott Wal-Mart about a month ago.

It's been very difficult, because we used to be able to buy most of what we needed there, being a Super Wal-Mart.

Now we shop at their competitors.

We will not shop Wal-Mart again until they change their pro-gay stance.

We have many friends and family doing the same thing.

I know these people, and they will stick to their values.
212 posted on 11/09/2006 4:40:26 PM PST by AlGone2001 (He's not a baby anymore...)
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To: right-wingin_It
Why should Wal-Mart be favoring one group over another?

They're not. It's an affiliate program. Most large online businesses have them. It's a way to direct traffic to their site, and make a few bucks for the guy who has the link on his website.

213 posted on 11/09/2006 4:41:29 PM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz
They're not. It's an affiliate program...

Yeah, I just saw that in the other thread. But none-the-less, if anyone wants to boycott a company for the policies the company takes, its fine with me. Boycotting a company is not "un-American" or communist, just cause libs traditionally are the ones do it.

It's the consumer's perogative tho choose when, where, what, and how to buy products. The free-market will not die because some Christians don't want to go to Wal-Mart anymore.

214 posted on 11/09/2006 4:52:46 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: AlGone2001
I made my decision to boycott Wal-Mart about a month ago.

Glad to hear it. We made our decision a few months ago and have stuck to it. It's not always easy, but we knew that when we made our decision.

215 posted on 11/09/2006 4:53:47 PM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: scripter

The reasons Al-Qaeda hates us have absolutely nothing to do with Wal-Mart. They hate us because we're not fundamentalist muslims like them. They'd hate us even if there were never such a thing as Wal-Mart, or gay people for that matter. Yes, social conservatives are being consistent, but being upset about a store is silly.


216 posted on 11/09/2006 5:06:29 PM PST by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: right-wingin_It

I don't find boycotts to be un-American, I just have a problem with misleading information being utilized to promote them.


217 posted on 11/09/2006 5:15:11 PM PST by Gabz
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To: scottdeus12

--Why Wal-MART gets involved in social/Political issues is beyond me.......--

Sounds like a business decision. It is common practice to reward sites that send business your way via clickable links.


218 posted on 11/09/2006 5:17:34 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: stuartcr

Add the fact that they are helping put 1 trillion dollars in the hands of the Chinese. We should consider that before we buy anything!

We are going broke saving money!


219 posted on 11/09/2006 5:17:41 PM PST by colonialhk (not a sooprize sooprize sooprize)
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To: Cymbaline
The reasons Al-Qaeda hates us have absolutely nothing to do with Wal-Mart

I'd agree with that for the most part. My point was that Walmart supports a homosexual organization and has given cash $25K, I think, to another homosexual organization. From what I remember reading about Al-Qaeda, they hate us for a number of reasons, one of which is the freedom some of us abuse and others enable.

220 posted on 11/09/2006 5:19:22 PM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: loboinok
"Wal-Mart's position on this issue, is NOT a business one but an ideological one... and it is obvious."

If somebody throws a hubcap into the air and snaps a photo of it the hubcap is "obviously" a UFO to some people. But it is still a hubcap. Walmart is just making a buck for their stockholders regardless of what is "obvious" to some people.

221 posted on 11/09/2006 5:21:07 PM PST by Artemis Webb (All Truth is God's Truth...regardless of the source.)
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To: Froufrou

There is an ongoing boycott of Ford products.

However, if the AFA is going to encourage a boycott of Walmart for the donation to the gay group, then they should include all the other businesses who are doing the same thing:

Click. Shop. Donate.
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Tip! Bookmark this page and start all of your online shopping here.

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Books, Music, & Video
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Amazon.com [5%]
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NetFlix [$9]
Buy.com [5%]
CDNow [6%]
Wal-Mart [5%]

Clothing & Accessories
Universal Gear [7%]
GAP [5%]
jcrew.com [5%]
Bluefly.com [5%]
Fogdog Sports [10%]
REI.com [5%]
Wal-Mart [5%]

Accessories
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Ashford.com [5%]
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WatchZone [5%]<>

Health & Beauty
Drugstore.com [15%]
Avon.com [8%]
Sephora.com [5%]
FragranceNet.com [8%]<>

Children's Clothing & Toys
Toys "R" Us / Amazon.com [5%]
SmarterKids.com [6%]<>
DisneyStore.com [5%]
Babystyle! [10%]
Wal-Mart [5%]

Office & Supplies
Staples.com [3%]
OfficeMax.com [4%]<>
Register.com Domains[25%]
Stamps.com [$10-$20 per sign up]


Computer Hardware & Software
Dell Home Systems [1%]<>
Amazon.com Software [5%]
J&R Computer and Music World [3%]
Microwarehouse [2-5%]
Chumbo.com [5%]

Online Services
Verizon Online DSL [$40]
MSN Internet Access[$15]

Electronics
Buy.com [3%]
Amazon.com Electronics [5%]
J&R Computer and Music World [5%]
The Sharper Image [10%]<>
Wal-Mart [5%]

Flowers & Gifts
1-800-FLOWERS.COM [6%]<>
FTD [6%]<>
Florist.com [15%]<>
Hallmark.com [12%]
Red Envelope [6%]

Travel & Leisure
Travelocity [$1 per ticket]
Orbitz [$1-$3]
Expedia.com [$3 per ticket]
Priceline.com [$1 per offer]
eBags [7%]

Camera & Photos
Shutterfly [$6 per new customer]
Ritzcamera.com [5%]

Finance & Credit Cards
Amex Blue Card [30]
Amex Delta SkyMiles [$30]
Amex Small Business [$45]
Chase Platinum Credit Card [$25]
Continental Airlines Platinum [$25]


222 posted on 11/09/2006 5:31:51 PM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Xenalyte
Houston Wal-Marts are nasty across the board, which is why I can't speak for Wal-Marts elsewhere - I don't go out of my way looking for dirt.

I can have the same shopping experience at a mexican flea-market, without the annoyance of seeing lots of double-chinned fatass people in stretch pants.

223 posted on 11/09/2006 6:33:58 PM PST by Spirochete
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To: KoRn
I'm not in favor of the government cracking down on them, but a company that wealthy paying their full time employees so badly they qualify for government benefits is a joke!

I assume you refer to the medical and food stamps.

I work full time at Wal Mart. My pay is above minimum wage here. Decent for this rural area. I would like more, but I get by.

I have Blue Cross, $350 deductible, $20 co-pay, long and short term disability, AFLAC, dental, etc. I pay less than $100 per month for myself.

Are there others at our store on the free public ride? You betcha there is!

OPPS wait!! They have large families by their choice!

Insurance companies increase premiums with each added family member to cover....hmmmmm

Yep... it must be Wal Marts fault they chose the cheaper insurance coverage for their familes.

224 posted on 11/09/2006 7:04:56 PM PST by wanderin
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To: wanderin

You are a rare case. I was thinking of someone who may be trying to work there and raise a family, like most anyone would think possible at such a large company. Sure it's their choice, and a bad one, but I would be ashamed if I owned the largest company in the world and the majority of people working for me would qualify for food stamps if they worked for me and tried to support their families.

I'm as pro-capitalism as they come. I'm just going on morality here.


225 posted on 11/09/2006 7:09:39 PM PST by KoRn
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
Wal-Mart announced it would join the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce. And now Wal-Mart has made a deal with the Washington DC Center for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender People, agreeing to donate 5 percent of the sales made through the group's website to the Center.

"Every purchase made online for books, music, videos, clothing and accessories, children's clothing and toys, and electronics at the site will automatically send 5% of the sales to the CCBLBT People," the AFA said in a message to its supporters.

Good to know.

226 posted on 11/09/2006 7:11:30 PM PST by A. Pole (Joseph Stalin: "It's not who votes that counts. It's who counts the votes.")
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To: nascarnation

I love Wal mart. Although I usually DON'T shop the day after Thanskgiving, I just might do so at Wal Mart this year.


227 posted on 11/09/2006 7:12:24 PM PST by pooh fan ("Strong, the pull of the Dark Side is". Yoda)
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To: Froufrou
"The conservative advocacy group complains that Wal-Mart also gave a "generous cash donation" to the Northwest Arkansas Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Community Center, helping to provide a place where homosexuals can come together to "socialize.""

I thought they socialized in rest stop bathroom stalls. How romantic! Not.
228 posted on 11/09/2006 7:48:56 PM PST by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: Artemis Webb

If your understanding of "obvious" is anything like your understanding of "Truth", I can see where you may have some difficulty.

Now, I can see by this thread that many think the AFA has been less than honest in their presentation of this issue, and as such, should not be trusted in the matter.

On the other hand, Wal-Mart has been above board and honest in their position on the issue. They want to make money. The best way to do that is to risk alienating 98% of your consumers to garner 2% of the market. That ought to please the stockholders, right?

If you think that, then you must believe that the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah are just for entertainment purposes.

I understand people have a difficult time supporting something that will cause them to sacrifice or do without. I don't begrudge them that. But when they have to pretzel the "truth" to justify their "belief", its as reprehensible as the opposed agenda.


229 posted on 11/09/2006 10:07:42 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I hope it doesn't fall flat on its face.

Why should 5% of sales go to gay advocacy?

Give me one good reason.


230 posted on 11/10/2006 12:50:20 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Gabz

I have had no problem shopping at WalMart through the years and I like the way you are treated the moment you walk through the doors. With that said I do check where things are made. And if it says made in China, it goes back on the shelf. Its hard not to buy any foreign products but I do make an effort to keep it down to a minimum. Christmas decoration made in China really gets to me, considering ALL the religious freedoms China has. (Sarcasim implied)


231 posted on 11/10/2006 5:59:23 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: loboinok
So you think Walmart is going to "alienate 98% of their customers"? I can see the empty parking lots coast to coast now!

You're delusional.
232 posted on 11/10/2006 6:00:03 AM PST by Artemis Webb (All Truth is God's Truth...regardless of the source.)
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To: Froufrou
No problem with us refusing to shop at Wal-Mart on the Friday and Saturday after Thanksgiving, we never ever shop on either of those days at any store.
233 posted on 11/10/2006 6:06:37 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Dustbunny

I agree! I really don't like going when everyone else is going.....


234 posted on 11/10/2006 6:12:16 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Long Island Pete

I also try to avoid foreign made products and ever since I bought a GE mixer and didn't realize it was made in China until after the fact, I am even more particular.

As for Christmas decorations, other than lights, I buy very few and the majority of the ones I do buy, I purchase from local crafters. I pretty much stopped buying tree ornaments the year after our daughter was born (she's now 8) because all of mine are clear glass and crystal. The only additions to the tree in the past few years are all homemade.

I guess it boils down to me finding this entire boycott idea a bit silly. How about promoting less consumeristic ideals for Christmas? Instead of battling crowds at retailers Thanksgiving weekend (something I never do) plan family time. My hsuband, daughter and I will be in the woods that weekend gathering bine boughs, pinecones and holly for making wreaths and garlands for decorations. We bring homemade cookies and candies to the local Volunteer Fire companies.

I think there are far better ways to be promoting family values than calling for boycotting of retailers, but that's just me.


235 posted on 11/10/2006 6:24:54 AM PST by Gabz
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To: samm1148

"I thought they socialized in rest stop bathroom stalls."

That's just George Michael, as far as I know.


236 posted on 11/10/2006 7:43:43 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: bonfire

AND, to make it even worse, I've not lost a pound!!!

ARGH! Oh, the humanity...please ping me with prayer...


237 posted on 11/10/2006 7:45:16 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: right-wingin_It; AlGone2001

It wouldn't hurt me a bit to shop Target instead of Wal-Mart. I don't approve of the side dishes that go with a homosexual lifestyle - everything from pedophilia [sic NAMBLA] to polygamy. I hate to be a prude, but promiscuity spreads disease.


238 posted on 11/10/2006 7:49:08 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou; A. Pole

I NEVER shop at Wal-Mart. NEVER!!!! And I'm a card-carrying social conservative.

Wal-Mart is, and has been for a long time, intrinsically New World Order/Global Union. Think about it--it's almost obvious. The "Wal-Mart issue" seems to have a lot of traction in sucking conservatives into a NWO ethos. We can be taken in, too, not just clinton-loving Democrats!!!!

Wal-Mart's subscription to the "gay" agenda is part and parcel of being NWO, since the NWO uses that agenda as part of its program to destroy localities, nation-states, cultures, and faiths (especially the orthodox/Orthodox Christian faith) to get all the world's people ready for assimilation (of the Borg type).

Let's shop as locally as we can for the coming Nativity/Christmass season. And, more importantly, let's refocus on the TRUE celebration of Nativity, and emphasize "Giftmass" a lot less!


239 posted on 11/10/2006 1:19:53 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb

I like your style! I have always cherished handmade gifts the most, or gifts that are not so much bountiful as well made.


240 posted on 11/10/2006 1:25:30 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

In any event, Sam is surely rolling in his grave.


241 posted on 11/11/2006 10:02:43 AM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: xzins
Why should 5% of sales go to gay advocacy? Give me one good reason.

FTFA:

...Wal-Mart has made a deal with the Washington DC Center for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender People, agreeing to donate 5 percent of the sales made through the group's website to the Center.

I know this may be a little too complex for you tiny little mind to grasp, but Walmart is not donating 5% of all sales to gay advocay.

They are paying a 5% commission on sales made through some gay group's website.

It's a standard business arrangement. They do the same thing with countless other groups.

Learn to read, Bozo.

242 posted on 11/11/2006 12:06:33 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: RepublicanFreeper
i agree with the poster you are responding to.

So you're a psychic too?

243 posted on 11/11/2006 12:10:29 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Gabz

I will do more shopping at Wal-Mart if what I read about them using the term Merry Christmas this season is true.


244 posted on 11/11/2006 2:09:31 PM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
You have not given me a good reason, and you have agreed that 5% of sales go to gay advocacy.

I know it does not go to cancer advocacy, nor to spinal bifida support, nor to feeding the hungry. It goes to a DC advocate of GLBT lifesytles.

Now, who do you think the 5% goes to?

And who can read.

245 posted on 11/12/2006 3:10:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
You are such an easy mark. The unions try to find some way to get you to hate Walmart and you go along with them like a brainless boob who never had an original thought in his life.

George W. Bush is the boogeyman, too. Run for your life, you useful idiot.

246 posted on 11/12/2006 7:27:23 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Answer the question:

Who does the money go to?


247 posted on 11/13/2006 3:05:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Theo
You don't get it. It's only 5% on purchases made through a link on the gay advocacy group's website. Don't go there? They'll get nothing.

The 5% is just a referral reward.

This is like "affiliate" programs all throughout the internet.

I'm no great fan of Walmart but there's no sense spreading false info about this story.

248 posted on 11/14/2006 11:06:20 PM PST by newzjunkey (I blame Bush.)
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To: Froufrou
The AFA says Wal-Mart should have remained neutral in the cultural battle over homosexual marriage.

Right, as if AFA would have stood for mere neutrality!

249 posted on 11/14/2006 11:09:26 PM PST by newzjunkey (I blame Bush.)
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