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Most Reliable Cars
CNNMoney.com ^ | 11/9/2006 | CNNMoney.com

Posted on 11/09/2006 1:20:48 PM PST by eraser2005

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Ford Fusion midsized car and its Mercury Milan sibling scored big in Consumer Reports' annual new car reliability survey, just beating out the industry's quality standard-bearers, the Honda Accord V6 and Toyota Camry V6.

But, overall, Japanese brands are still the ones to beat. Of the 47 vehicles with the highest predicted reliability, 39 are Japanese. Of those, all but seven are made by Toyota or Honda.

American cars are continuing to improve in reliability, however, according to Consumer Reports' surveys.

The "predicted reliability" rankings appear in the 2007 New Car Preview issue of Consumer Reports magazine.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: autoshop; cars; ford; honda; toyota
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I still say CR can't properly distinguish the difference between the top models and average models, but this throws a wrench into many people's arguments...
1 posted on 11/09/2006 1:20:50 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: KYGrandma

Ping!


2 posted on 11/09/2006 1:21:41 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: eraser2005

The real story is what garbage European cars are.


3 posted on 11/09/2006 1:22:17 PM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: eraser2005

All I know is that I own a Toyota Camary with about 125,000 miles, and the ONLY thing I've ever had to do is replace tires and get the oil changed. Still runs like a charm. Honest.

We also own a Camrey with about 125,000, and we put about 1,000 into various "upkeep" items last year, and that's it...ever. Mechanic says the car is probably now good for another 100,000.


4 posted on 11/09/2006 1:23:40 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Strategerist

Hey, my Fiat are still froomin along fine......LOL!!! but its true, granted, I am a mechanic...that helps.


5 posted on 11/09/2006 1:24:40 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (If it weren't for lawyers we wouldn't need 'em)
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To: eraser2005

This was reliability on wheels, once upon a time.

6 posted on 11/09/2006 1:25:12 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: dinoparty

Have you had to work on your Kamiree yet?


7 posted on 11/09/2006 1:26:03 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Oberon

ooooooohhhh. the "sport" model Dart "swinger".


8 posted on 11/09/2006 1:29:08 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: eraser2005

There are a number of problems with "life-style nazi's reports" on car reliability. Those who buy more expensive or upscale cars have a different expectation of reliability than those who buy economy cars. Also, these surveys show nothing about long-term reliability.


9 posted on 11/09/2006 1:29:09 PM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Old Professer

No, other than the "tune-up" stuff last year.

Oh, and I forgot, the Corolla does have one problem which I've heard is common. The motor for the electric window is shot.


10 posted on 11/09/2006 1:29:39 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: dinoparty

Oops, first sentence was supposed to be "corolla".


11 posted on 11/09/2006 1:31:31 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: eraser2005

Go figure. They hated the Camaro with a passion and my 96 runs right along at the track and work on Monday. Most dependable car I have ever owned short of a stripped 85 Nissan truck named Dusty that just would not die. At age 16 and 200k he blew a head gasket and I sold him to my mechanic due to a valuation of about $500 if working. It is still running.


12 posted on 11/09/2006 1:32:07 PM PST by doodad
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To: Rakkasan1
You could find these quite readily with a 318. Such a one was my sister's first car...she used to regularly dust the football players in their mustangs.

They also say there were a few Darts made with 383s. That would have been a serious exercise in overpowering the platform.

13 posted on 11/09/2006 1:32:42 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Old Professer
50,000 Miles, and no repairs.

Made in Indiana.

14 posted on 11/09/2006 1:34:19 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Osama Wins!)
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To: eraser2005
American cars are continuing to improve in reliability, however, according to Consumer Reports' surveys.

Finally our auto industry got the message. Competition is good.

15 posted on 11/09/2006 1:34:33 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Oberon

The slant 6's seemed bulletproof.


16 posted on 11/09/2006 1:35:18 PM PST by Toby06 (jon carry is a piece of s#it)
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To: dinoparty

Camrys are good cars....

I've got a 98... it has never left us stranded in 100k+, but it has cost a fair bit in repairs and maintenance that isn't necessary (or possible) on our other car (think timing belt)....

My Taurus has been very good too, though - 100k+ and $200 total in repairs. Maintenance only of a new battery, fluid changes, filters, and a new set of tires....


17 posted on 11/09/2006 1:35:37 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: dinoparty

You might want to check the replacement cycle on the timing belt. The older models required it somewheres around there.


18 posted on 11/09/2006 1:36:15 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Osama Wins!)
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To: eraser2005

Notice that Ford also had a number of models in the "LEAST reliable cars" list, too.

I'm on record as saying that the Fusion appears to be a good car and is selling well. If Ford would only can the idiot who won't trumpet the fact that it's come in ahead of Camry and Accord in both enthusiast magazine comparisons *and* CR, they would sell even more.

Of the remaining lineup: The 500 is a joke, and someone needs to put the Crown Vic out of it's misery.


19 posted on 11/09/2006 1:36:33 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sittnick

Actually, they do survey long-term reliability - but they completely fail to get a good survey design or to get adequate sample sizes...


20 posted on 11/09/2006 1:36:55 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: dinoparty

That's common on all cars these days - there's only a few companies that make those window regulator assemblies now, and most of them are crappy plastic unless the customer specifies otherwise.


21 posted on 11/09/2006 1:37:56 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Brad Cloven

I had an '85 toyota 4wd pickup. I really beat the frigging snot out of it, bad, but changed the oil religiously. I put close to 200,000 on it, blew the engine and still managed to sell it for over $1000 8 years after I bought it.

The only repairs were a head gasket and bodywork, all of which I did myself. (of course brakes, shocks, and tires, etc got replaced)


22 posted on 11/09/2006 1:38:31 PM PST by Toby06 (jon carry is a piece of s#it)
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To: eraser2005
The Ford Fusion midsized car and its Mercury Milan sibling scored
big in Consumer Reports' annual new car reliability survey, just
beating out the industry's quality standard-bearers, the Honda
Accord V6 and Toyota Camry V6.


Well, when I have a lot of friends with Fusions and Milans with
150K and no major repairs, I'll think about Ford again.

But that means it'll be about 3-5 years before I'll consider a Ford.
If they are still in business.
23 posted on 11/09/2006 1:39:22 PM PST by VOA
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To: Oberon

mine had the slant 6 and 80 pounds of Bondo.


24 posted on 11/09/2006 1:39:45 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: Oberon

With the 225ci 6 cylinder engine, it was pretty fuel efficient, too.


25 posted on 11/09/2006 1:40:29 PM PST by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: eraser2005
I was listening to a car repair show on the radio a few weeks ago, and the host described the Ford Fusion as the best car he's worked on in this model year. The guy was talking about this from a mechanic's standpoint, so it doesn't necessarily match what you'll see in Consumer Reports.

Surprisingly . . . he gave the Toyota Camry high marks for its reliability but abysmal marks for its "maintainability."

I was also surprised to hear how highly he thought of Hyundai cars for the latter.

26 posted on 11/09/2006 1:41:11 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: eraser2005

Oh, by the way, the Fusion is NOT made in the USA by the UAW, which explains why it's actually got decent build quality.

The Fusion (and its corporate twins, the Milan and MKZ) are made in Ford's Hermosillo Stamping & Assembly plant in Hermosillo, Mexico.

It's also not on a domestically-designed Ford platform, but on a modified version of the *Mazda* CD3 platform. The four cylinder base engine is a *Mazda* engine.

So much for it being an "American" car.


27 posted on 11/09/2006 1:41:37 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: eraser2005

1999 127,000 miles and still going strong.

28 posted on 11/09/2006 1:41:51 PM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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To: sittnick

When Lexus and Acura are at the top of the list and MB, Cadillac, BMW, etc are at the bottom, your argument doesn't hold water. Their relative rankings are meaningful- Lexus and Acura owners are no less demanding than the other luxury brands. That Lexus and Acura can turn out such excellent reliability while including the latest luxury gizmos is an excellent testimony to those brands and their parent companies (Toyota and Honda).


29 posted on 11/09/2006 1:42:44 PM PST by Flying Circus
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To: Alberta's Child
Near the top for me.
30 posted on 11/09/2006 1:43:03 PM PST by Obadiah
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To: CSM

Blue Oval ping!


31 posted on 11/09/2006 1:43:59 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

The Camry's engine bay is an exercise in minimalist packaging - until the new ones, which now have more room as mandated by EU regs (they have to have a higher hoodline now). The engine bay is tightly wrapped around the engine.

Hyundai tends to optimize their body a lot less in the engine bay; you can usually get to everything with room to spare.


32 posted on 11/09/2006 1:44:16 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I'd have to agree about the maintainability of the Camry. Its a royal P.I.T.A. to reach some of the parts and get them out. :)


33 posted on 11/09/2006 1:45:00 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: Oberon
Wasn't there a Dart version with a 340? I think that was the top Dart, considering what a boat anchor 383s could be.
34 posted on 11/09/2006 1:45:18 PM PST by NYFriend
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To: Spktyr

It really sucks...having to open the door at drivethroughs, tollbooths, etc.


35 posted on 11/09/2006 1:45:51 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Brad Cloven

Best-selling vehicle in America . . . 28 straight years!

:-)

36 posted on 11/09/2006 1:46:13 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Spktyr

Of course, the Mercury Mariner was on the most reliable list last year, and it is made in the US by UAW workers.

But you make good points about the base design - however, keep in mind that much of the Mazda tech was actually Ford-developed. That 2.3L carries quite a bit of Ford technology on it....


37 posted on 11/09/2006 1:46:45 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: bmwcyle

Yawn. 1987, 230K, still going strong. Your point?

38 posted on 11/09/2006 1:46:55 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: NYFriend

Dart GTs were found with 360s in them.


39 posted on 11/09/2006 1:47:26 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Alberta's Child

That's because the F-150 is the cheapest fullsize truck you can buy and has been for 28 years. :-P


40 posted on 11/09/2006 1:48:13 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: NYFriend

A 340 Dart? Maybe. You're not thinking of the Road Runner, are you?


41 posted on 11/09/2006 1:48:19 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Spktyr
Thanks for the info on that.

The guy on the radio also pointed out that Toyota owners should ignore all maintenance recommendations from Toyota and instead maintain their vehicles at "standard" intervals for various things. He made it sound like the owner's manual on a Camry recommends an oil change every 75,000 miles or so. LOL.

42 posted on 11/09/2006 1:48:28 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: NYFriend
By golly, there WAS a 340 Dart.
43 posted on 11/09/2006 1:51:19 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Spktyr
Could be.

It's also deceptive because the F-150 is a single model, while Chevrolet and GMC are listed as two separate models by General Motors.

The combined GM models kick @ss against Ford, I think. I just don't say that in public. LOL.

44 posted on 11/09/2006 1:51:49 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

Actually, the manual for my XKR (not pictured) says that I should do 10,000 mile oil changes. I believe the Camry manual says the same, though I don't own one. Manufacturers have been going to more and more extended maintenance intervals - some because their tech is good for it, some because the car will probably be traded in before the damage caused will be evident. My friend's Ford Ranger's manual has a similarly bizzare maintenance interval listing.

Me? Oil change every 3K, transmission and diff every 30K, coolant every two years (despite the fact that I'm using 5/100 coolant now).


45 posted on 11/09/2006 1:51:50 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Brad Cloven

Profits to Japan.


46 posted on 11/09/2006 1:53:14 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Toby06

My first car was a 1960 Valiant with the "big" slant 6. I paid $450 for it in 1966 with 50,000 miles. I drove it through college and sold it to my brother. When I got out of the Navy it had 255,000 miles on it with no major repairs. The dealer called me and wanted to buy it back; he wanted the engine. So I sold it to him for $400. As far as I know that slant six is still powering some irrigation pump out in South Dakota. I thought the car was really ugly at the time, now I wish I had it back!


47 posted on 11/09/2006 1:53:18 PM PST by Nakota
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To: eraser2005

The Mariner is based off the Euro-design chassis of the Mondeo. :-P


48 posted on 11/09/2006 1:55:27 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
I drive a 1994 Ford Explorer. I do oil every 5,000 miles and transmission fluid every four oil changes.

I think the combination of the frequent trans fluid changes and the heavy-duty cooling system (including a separate radiator for the trans fluid) has really extended the life of the powertrain. It's got 315,000 miles on it, and when I had a compression test done on it last year the mechanic told me he thought his equipment was malfunctioning because he was getting readings that were consistent with a vehicle that had 75,000 miles on it.

49 posted on 11/09/2006 1:56:06 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Finally our auto industry got the message. Competition is good.

94 Lincoln Town Car. 248,000 miles. Just minor maintenance.

50 posted on 11/09/2006 1:56:17 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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