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Democrats to 'revisit' law creating border fence
UPI ^ | November 10, 2006

Posted on 11/11/2006 5:32:37 AM PST by jamesrichards

Democrats to 'revisit' law creating border fence By Shaun Waterman UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL November 11, 2006 Democrats will look again at the legislation mandating 698 miles of fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border and might seek to scrap the plan altogether when they take control of Congress next year. Rep. Bennie Thompson, Mississippi Democrat, told reporters this week that he expected to "revisit" the issue when he becomes chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee in the 110th Congress. Mr. Thompson said the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) new border enforcement program, known as the Secure Border Initiative or SBI Net -- which includes monitors, cameras and other integrated surveillance systems -- is a viable alternative to fencing. "We might do away with it, or look at [integrating it into] SBI Net," he said. "A virtual fence rather than a real one."

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To: kabar

IIRC, one of the times Bush tried to pass the shamesty, the Dims stopped him. The Dims claim was that he wasn't addressing all the OTMs. Bush wants it for Mexicans only. Wasn't the "Comprehensive" plan for Mexicans only?


101 posted on 11/11/2006 7:27:53 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: The_Victor

Dems and Acorn registered MILLIONS of Illegal hispanics this year, and it put them over the top...

Anyone who believed Democrats would do ANYTHING about illegal immigration was singing out of thier a__...

They NEED poor, welfare recieving people to support them.


102 posted on 11/11/2006 7:34:52 AM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: cbkaty
Okay... are we talking about a border fence (gooood) or are we talking about Texas seceding (baaaaaad)
103 posted on 11/11/2006 7:36:24 AM PST by GulfBreeze (I don't believe in atheists. They just don't exist.)
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To: jamesrichards
The fence will NEVER be built. Democrats WILL offer amnesty for all illegals, approaching 30 million people and will never go out of power for the rest of the lifetimes of the people posting here.
104 posted on 11/11/2006 7:38:58 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: jamesrichards

Not one mile of fence will ever be built.

Thanks, Bush.


105 posted on 11/11/2006 7:39:34 AM PST by MonroeDNA (Libertarians are more conservative than pubbies. Strictest interpretation of the constitution,)
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To: Perdogg
I hope all of the republicans who stayed home because of the border issue are happy now.

I can't wait to see how the Democrats will go about giving non-citizens the right to vote.

106 posted on 11/11/2006 7:40:02 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: GulfBreeze

RE: Post #43. Couldn't have said it beetter myself.


107 posted on 11/11/2006 7:42:25 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: texastoo
IIRC, one of the times Bush tried to pass the shamesty, the Dims stopped him. The Dims claim was that he wasn't addressing all the OTMs. Bush wants it for Mexicans only. Wasn't the "Comprehensive" plan for Mexicans only?

I don't recall that. Certainly Bush's guest worker program appears to be meant for Mexicans. The Dems have been smart enough to put a Rep label on comprehensive immigration reform despite the fact that the overwhelming Rep members of Congress [House and Senate] are against it. It is really a Dem/WH initiative.

108 posted on 11/11/2006 7:52:09 AM PST by kabar
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To: TomGuy

It was Bush that signed the authorization for the fence as well.


109 posted on 11/11/2006 7:55:39 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: MonroeDNA
Not one mile of fence will ever be built. Thanks, Bush.

Thank the single issue voters that allowed a Democrat House to take over.

Had the GOP remained in control of the House, the fence would have been built, since Bush signed the Bill.

110 posted on 11/11/2006 8:02:32 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: jamesrichards
Why bother? Mr. Bush is not going to put a fence anyway. the legislation give him an out to put the money in other areas he may consider more "appropriate".

111 posted on 11/11/2006 8:08:56 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: SHOOT THE MOON bat
This is what George Bush wanted.

The RNC withheld backing of the Republican running for Congress here in Arizona (AZ-8). The Republican, Randy Graf, lost to a Democrat who was a board member of the local ACLU. The Democrat is in favor of Amnesty.

Perhaps its not a bad idea for the Democrats to try and impeach George Bush.

112 posted on 11/11/2006 8:11:52 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Liberalism in a parasite that ALWAYS kills its host.)
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To: Perdogg

Well, at least they can say they taught the GOP a lesson for not being pure enough. Of course, in the process the damage to the country is considerable. But they can sit back smug and happy (as their taxes go up and the danger to our troops increases).


113 posted on 11/11/2006 8:14:16 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: jamesrichards

I have not seen anyone discussing New York. Democrats gained all top statewide offices on the ballot - governor, attorney general, comptroller and a U.S. Senate seat - for the first time since 1942.

East of the Appalachian Mountains Republicans are becoming nonexistent.


114 posted on 11/11/2006 8:14:33 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: kabar

I'll try to find an article describing what I think was the first attempt at amnesty by Bush.

I did find an article prior to 9/11 that is interesting. This article was dated 08/2001. Bush has been pushing this for years even after Mexico slapped him in the face regarding 9/11.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b725eff3a59.htm


115 posted on 11/11/2006 8:18:36 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: cbkaty

What this will accelerate is the transformation of the US into the South American model - more and more gated communities with high fences and armed security guards. Those who can afford it will be protected, the rest will will have to make their way in a dangerous and dirty society.


116 posted on 11/11/2006 8:24:19 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Socratic
Paraphrasing T. Jefferson: "If a nation expects to be borderless and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."

I'm not sure what your purpose was in posting that quote from Mr. Jefferson.

But it affords me the opportunity to agree with him 100%.

Sort of like the old saying, Fences make good neighbors.

117 posted on 11/11/2006 8:37:47 AM PST by upchuck (Republicans didn`t lose this time around because they were conservative, but because they WEREN`T!)
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To: The_Victor

Sure, but thats not what we are talking about.

A bill granting amnesty and a guest worker program makes the "wall" about as useless as the runway behind you.


118 posted on 11/11/2006 8:50:29 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: shrinkermd
The Dems concentrate in blocks. Hillary visited Rochester several times......a typical druggie, prostitution, gang .....welfare city supported by the educated, hard working folks of suburbia. Lotsa money goes there BECAUSE it is such a problem area.

We've had 7 murders in 7 days.

At one time, it had the best schools, was one of a few high tech bases, had a magnificent beach AND you could even walk the streets.

I think the stat is that only 40% of kids graduate from high school. How much money is THAT down the drain?? The City is a major DEM stronhold and look what the people are that vote!!!

119 posted on 11/11/2006 8:51:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: upchuck
Mr. Jefferson's intent was to promote universal education (I changed the focus of the quote).

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

120 posted on 11/11/2006 8:53:42 AM PST by Socratic
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To: texastoo

There is no doubt that Bush has been pushing for a guest worker program for years and it should come as no surprise. It was part of his 2000 campaign. What boggles my mind is that he is bucking his own party undermining its position in the process. He is also bucking American public opinion.


121 posted on 11/11/2006 8:54:05 AM PST by kabar
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To: Socratic

You didn't "paraphrase" you "turned a phrase" or "turned a quote".

:-)


122 posted on 11/11/2006 8:55:18 AM PST by GulfBreeze (I don't believe in atheists. They just don't exist.)
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To: jamesrichards

We'll end up with a 20 ft long picket fence.


123 posted on 11/11/2006 8:56:05 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: Dane
PT Barnum was correct, there is a sucker born every minute, especially those who believed Louie Dobbs.

Dane, you and those of your stripe, Bush, Rove, etc. did more to damage the republican party by driving out every conservative you could than Lou Dobbs ever could have. You keep saying he's a liar...WHAT has he lied about? Your problem is your extreme hate for ANYONE who wants to secure our borders. And everyone but you and your 2 cheerleaders seems to know it.

124 posted on 11/11/2006 8:57:48 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: jamesrichards
If we lived in a democracy lou dobbs would have been going after the dems non stop during the election how they wouldn't fund the fence.

I challenged you on a another thread when you called Dobbs a liar. You didn't respond, but here you are spreading your propaganda yet again. Lou Dobbs has gone ofter the dems non stop over immigration and has done more to bring this problem to light than anyone. I think that is what disturbs you.

Again, all his words are in transcript. PROVE YOUR ACCUSATIONS.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ldt.html

It certainly wasn't Dobbs fault that the dems decided at the last minute to claim support for secure borders!

DOBBS: But it is instructive that people running for office at least -- while in office, they're ignoring the will of the people on this issue because poll after poll shows people want border security, they want port security, they want illegal immigration curtailed -- it's fascinating to see that Eighth District race in Arizona, where the Democratic candidate, who says she absolutely in support of comprehensive immigration reform -- is now talking about border security. It's quite an impressive turnaround, and it shows the importance of this issue in this election. SCHNEIDER: And we're finding all over the country that Democrats are taking a very hard line on the issue of border security, if they feel at all defensive on this issue, and they do in many places.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/26/ldt.01.html

125 posted on 11/11/2006 9:29:59 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: jamesrichards
Yes, Lou Dobbs is a jackass. Yes, voting Donkey was stupid. But lets not forget that our own Elephant team had SIX YEARS to fix the horrible situation and did nothing until a few weeks before this election when they realized they were probably going to lose.

Oh, and lets not forget El Presidente Jorge Arabusto and his support for open borders.

126 posted on 11/11/2006 9:40:48 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: RetiredArmy
This is from an article that I just read by George Putnam...

Got a link?
Please post if you do; thanks.

I used to listen to George on KIEV in Los Angeles. Too bad they
let him go when they overhauled that station (and overall improved it).
127 posted on 11/11/2006 9:46:22 AM PST by VOA
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To: MonroeDNA
On Thursday, Tony Snow did an interview with pro-amnesty Hugh Hewitt and the former stated that "more than a hundred miles" of fence will be built by the time Bush is out. The discussion on the fence is about half-way down the page.
128 posted on 11/11/2006 9:59:29 AM PST by ruination
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To: Wilhelm Tell

"I think there must be an agreement whereby the Democrats rule the roost and the "moderate" Republicans look out for big business and screw the taxpayer. That way, all the big government types -- Republican and Democrat -- get what they want."

Expect to see something similar coming our way on healthcare as well; medicare, medicaid, tri-care, CHIPS, private market regs, all will be revamped to favor the big players.


129 posted on 11/11/2006 10:00:17 AM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: bill1952
Sure, but thats not what we are talking about. A bill granting amnesty and a guest worker program makes the "wall" about as useless as the runway behind you.

It's exactly what I was talking about. The article was about democRATs revisiting the bill to build a wall. I commented that this will be a losing issue for the RATs because of public support for the wall. I never brought up amnesty nor was it in the article, you're the one who changed the subject.

130 posted on 11/11/2006 10:04:27 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement
You keep saying he's(louie dobbs) a liar...WHAT has he lied about?

Oh I don't know, maybe that he(louie dobbs) shouts that he is concerned about the border, and then coos like a little schoolgirl about open borders, nancy pelosi.

131 posted on 11/11/2006 10:14:04 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: texastoo
IIRC, one of the times Bush tried to pass the shamesty, the Dims stopped him.

LOL! It was the House Republicans who stopped him.

Well anyway, one good thing about this election is that DUmmies like you are coming out of the closet.

132 posted on 11/11/2006 10:18:16 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
Glad you could take a break from Democrat celebrations to gloat on a conservative forum that your hated wall won't be built and your beloved invasion will continue.
133 posted on 11/11/2006 10:30:59 AM PST by RodgerD
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To: jamesrichards
They don't want the fence because MORE ILLEGALS MEANS MORE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS IN 2008. Pure and simple.
134 posted on 11/11/2006 10:32:52 AM PST by I'm ALL Right! ("Tolerance" is only required of Conservatives.)
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To: jamesrichards

You people are funny saying the RATs are going to dismantle this. Didn't you ever read Sen. John Cornyn's comments about how the fence bill was "just a gesture" and would "never be funded"? There are many many traitors on our side of the aisle.


135 posted on 11/11/2006 10:33:29 AM PST by montag813
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To: RodgerD
Glad you could take a break from Democrat celebrations to gloat on a conservative forum that your hated wall won't be built and your beloved invasion will continue.

Uh I ain't the one gloating over a nancy pelosi victory, it's your hero, louie dobbs, and his misguided minions on FR, such as you Roger.

136 posted on 11/11/2006 10:34:17 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: montag813
You people are funny saying the RATs are going to dismantle this.<

Uh I guess you are illiterate, since it is the dems who are going to defund the fence.

137 posted on 11/11/2006 10:35:48 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: apillar
AMEN! Why do the Republicans think we want to see a "new tone" of "bipartisanship" in Govt.? We don't! We want to see them do what we SENT THEM THERE TO DO! Defend our rights, protect our country, uphold the constitution and look out for CONSERVATIVE interests. If they do that and say "screw the media, they're going to paint us as demons anyway", the actual CONSERVATIVES out here will be elated and motivated to vote for them. As it is, we have seen the "new tone" for 6 years and have managed to accomplish very little. Please notice...when WE took control of Congress we were almost apologetic about it. The Republicans were falling all over themselves to let the rats know they were going to "work together" and be "bipartisan." When the rats take control, they just push their agenda through, with no regard to bipartisanship.

SCREW THE NEW TONE. REPUBLICANS: GROW A SPINE.

138 posted on 11/11/2006 10:44:18 AM PST by I'm ALL Right! ("Tolerance" is only required of Conservatives.)
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To: I'm ALL Right!

See reply #59.


139 posted on 11/11/2006 10:45:23 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: jamesrichards

I'm about ready to vote for a virtual Congress.


140 posted on 11/11/2006 10:47:35 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Dane
Honey, I showed up and I voted straight Republican. Haven't missed an election. Bush signed meaningless legislation for a fence, so what? I am frustrated with the last 6 years of "bipartisan" (definition: wussy) action from our party when they had control. I am not anti-Bush. I am certainly not pro-Pelosi. She's a socialist to the core, as is a good portion of that party.

Not everyone who disagrees with the way our party has conducted itself would vote democrat. You couldn't pay me enough...but I wanted to see our party act like it had the "mandate" we gave them. Instead they tried to be so "bipartisan" that they shot themselves (us) in the foot. Now that the rats have control, they are not even trying to be bipartisan, they are just working towards their agenda. THAT'S what our reps should have done.

141 posted on 11/11/2006 10:54:37 AM PST by I'm ALL Right! ("Tolerance" is only required of Conservatives.)
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To: Perdogg
I hope all of the republicans who stayed home because of the border issue are happy now.

Don't shoot the messengers. The GOP is reaping what it sowed.

142 posted on 11/11/2006 10:55:37 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: I'm ALL Right!
Honey, I showed up and I voted straight Republican. Haven't missed an election. Bush signed meaningless legislation for a fence, so what?

If the legislation was so "meaningless" then why does nancy pelosi want to reverse it?

Can youy answer that dearie?

143 posted on 11/11/2006 10:58:40 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: mewzilla
Don't shoot the messengers. The GOP is reaping what it sowed.

Naw, it was "true" conservatives like you, who have reaped what you sowed.

Like i said before, I have a clear conscience.

144 posted on 11/11/2006 11:00:17 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
Can youy answer that dearie?

As a gesture of friendship to her great big new constituency from south of the border. That was easy.

You shoulda been with us on this border thing, Dane. In a few years the GOP will be going going gone.

145 posted on 11/11/2006 11:00:24 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Dane
Like i said before, I have a clear conscience.

So do, I, Dane. So do I.

146 posted on 11/11/2006 11:01:41 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Dane

You are clueless.


147 posted on 11/11/2006 11:05:28 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: mewzilla
So do, I, Dane. So do I.

Well if having nancy pelosi as Speaker gives you a clear conscience, so be it.

148 posted on 11/11/2006 11:05:48 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: kabar
There is no doubt that Bush has been pushing for a guest worker program for years and it should come as no surprise. It was part of his 2000 campaign. What boggles my mind is that he is bucking his own party undermining its position in the process. He is also bucking American public opinion.

He is blowing my mind also.

149 posted on 11/11/2006 11:07:27 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Dane
BTW, I looked at your posts--wondering why you are going after me like a mad dog, when there are plenty of people on this board who are in agreement with me. Well, I'm glad to know I'm not alone. You're after everyone! Apparantly everyone else is a moron, compared to you. Congratulations to you, dearie!

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Last-minute bill changes funding for border fence

Washington Post ^ | Oct 6, 2006 | Spencer S. Hsu
Posted on 10/06/2006 8:49:47 AM CDT by engrpat

WASHINGTON - No sooner did Congress authorize construction of a 700-mile fence on the U.S.-Mexico border last week than lawmakers rushed to approve separate legislation that ensures it will never be built, at least not as advertised, according to Republican lawmakers and immigration experts.

GOP leaders have singled out the fence as one of the primary accomplishments of the recently completed session. Many lawmakers plan to highlight their $1.2 billion down payment on its construction as they campaign in the weeks before the midterm elections. But shortly before recessing late Friday, the House and Senate gave the Bush administration leeway to distribute the money to a combination of projects -- not just the physical barrier along the southern border. The funds may also be spent on roads, technology and "tactical infrastructure" to support the Homeland Security Department's preferred option of a "virtual fence."

What's more, in a late-night concession to win over wavering Republicans, GOP congressional leaders pledged in writing that American Indian tribes, members of Congress, governors and local leaders would get a say in "the exact placement" of any structure, and that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff would have the flexibility to use alternatives "when fencing is ineffective or impractical."

The loopholes leave the Bush administration with authority to decide where, when and how long a fence will be built, except for small stretches east of San Diego and in western Arizona. Homeland Security officials have proposed a fence half as long, lawmakers said.

This case reflects political calculations by GOP strategists that voters do not mind the details, and that key players -- including the administration, local leaders and the Mexican government -- oppose a fence-only approach, analysts said.

150 posted on 11/11/2006 11:08:01 AM PST by I'm ALL Right! ("Tolerance" is only required of Conservatives.)
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