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Slouching Toward Suicide
Front Page Magazine ^ | 11/13/06 | Joseph D'Hippolito

Posted on 11/13/2006 7:54:41 AM PST by libertylovinactivist

In Europe and the United States, Catholic authorities have encouraged the transformation of Catholic schools and churches into Muslim schools and mosques. One order of friars is helping Italian Muslims build a mosque right next to its monastery. In Belgium, meanwhile, the Catholic bishops let illegal Muslim immigrants live and worship in churches to force the government to grant amnesty.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: christianity; islam; italy; papacy

1 posted on 11/13/2006 7:54:45 AM PST by libertylovinactivist
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To: libertylovinactivist

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.



Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.



Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.



Egypt - Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.



Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.



Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.



Sudan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.



Pakistan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims. Christians regularly put in prison for charges of blasphemy. Islam is the state religion, and in a court of law the testimony of a Christian carries less weight than that of a Muslim. Section 295(c) of the Penal Code calls for a death sentence for anyone who defiles the name of the Prophet Muhammad and requires the testimony of four Muslims for a conviction. This fosters an environment in which Muslims can feel free to use intimidation and violence against religious minorities for personal gain.



Qatar - Islamic instruction is compulsory in public schools. The government regulates the publication, importation, and distribution of non-Islamic religious literature. The government continues to prohibit proselytizing of Muslims by non-Muslims.



Malaysia - Under Malaysian law, any convert to Christianity must apply to a shariah (Muslim law) court to legally renounce Islam. Many Christians prefer to remain silent converts rather than take their battle to the shariah courts, where apostasy or conversion out of Islam is punishable by whipping, fines, imprisonment and--in the most extreme application--death.



The Maldives - In the island paradise visited by tens of thousands of tourists each year, Christianity is simply not tolerated. While local Christians – said to number around 300 out of a total population of 300,000 – do get together to worship, they do so at the risk of imprisonment or worse if discovered by the Muslim authorities. Bibles are banned, and tourists can be arrested for trying to bring them into the country.


http://www.state.gov/g/drl/hr/


3 posted on 11/13/2006 8:05:11 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: libertylovinactivist
Too much of the Church's hierarchy has become little more than liberal social workers.

One particular phrase in the article popped out: "compassion bordering on indulgence'". I'd say it has crossed that border when it comes to illegal immigration, Islamic radicalism, the death penalty, etc..
4 posted on 11/13/2006 8:08:24 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been suspended or banned.)
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To: libertylovinactivist

That is stupid! How to end civilization as we know it!
Something is wrong with those people.


5 posted on 11/13/2006 8:11:40 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Left + Jihad. The alliance that seeks to eliminate Western Civilization, and us)
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To: libertylovinactivist
You know, as bad as Nero was maybe it's time we give him some slack for fiddling while Rome burned.

(Yes, I know he was miles away giving a concert and that he was possibly there so he'd have an alibi ... but what is the excuse these so-called Christians are using when they help strengthen a religion that drags people into Hell?)
6 posted on 11/13/2006 8:16:27 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: libertylovinactivist

"The Catholic Church’s problem has its roots in an ecumenism that borders on syncretism"

The plan of the Catholic hierarchy is the same one they've always had - to rule the religion of the whole world. The method is to simply digest the other religions, the way a large corporation buys its competitor.

It crossed the ecumenism/syncretism border the first century of it existence, incorporating pagan rites and beliefs and holidays into its form of "Christianity". Masses , Rosary beads, wafers, Mariolatry, priests, Popes, Lent, monasteries, candles, celibacy, abstinences, veneration of relics, veneration of the "Monstrance", purgatory, praying to deceased saints, Papal infallibility and the immaculate conception and assumption are not of our God. They are imported from paganism or invented by men.

Todays integration of Islam is nothing new. In fact, it's 16 centuries old. The Catholic Church is very consistent. If you think it changes, you may be sure that it never does.


7 posted on 11/13/2006 8:16:48 AM PST by RoadTest ( He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. -Rev. 3:6)
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To: libertylovinactivist
By "so-called" I was referring to the specific priest responsible ... not Catholics in general.

Sorry if anyone took it the wrong way.
8 posted on 11/13/2006 8:17:52 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: libertylovinactivist

Excellent article. Very much worth reading the whole thing.

Thanks for posting.

I did not know how deep the split within Catholicism runs, or how suicidal some of the Catholic leadership has become. In particular, I did not know how far Cardinal Law has gone. If he literally offered praise to "Allah", while prostrating himself inside a Mosque, then he is worse than a fool.

Although some of the examples cited represent a loss of faith, I suspect the real culprit is the desire to appease Islam. Appeasement is the only strategy liberals have with which to "defend" themselves, and many Catholics are quite liberal. Hence, the worse the Muslim threat becomes, the more strenuous the efforts to appease it.

What these people do not understand is that Islamofascism cannot be appeased. This war can end only when Islamofascism is defeated so totally that it is discredited in the eyes of the remaining Muslims, or when the entire world is subjugated to Islam.

Less than half of the American people understand this.


9 posted on 11/13/2006 8:18:20 AM PST by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: EternalHope

Well, since the favorite form of execution in the book of Revelation is beheading, it would appear that the entire world will be subjugated to Islam.


10 posted on 11/13/2006 8:29:17 AM PST by GourmetDan
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To: TonyRo76
I once wrote about the Tribulation and mentioned what might happen if a pope were to go "liberal". Of course I was pummeled by the Catholics as a basher, but what I was trying to illustrate was what might happen if the Catholic church buckled under pressure. What would Catholics do if a pope decreed that homosexuality was OK, or abortion was OK, etc. I was pooh poohed of course, but look at the Anglicans, Lutherans, and many others today.

I felt reasonably safe with John Paul II, but then the picture of him kissing the Koran appeared. Now Catholics have a new "conservative" pope. Allot is left to be seen how conservative he is. The "back down" on the Muslims was not a good sign. It was self evident to most of the world that he was right in his statement, but he was more interested in smoothing things over than the truth. Jesus gave the Truth until he was killed. This, "Can't we all just get along" attitude, will be the death of Christians everywhere.

Many denominations are having to choose between a denomination and the truth right now. What happens if the pope buckles to pressure from a billion Muslims over the world? What will the parishioners do?

Jesus said " I am The Way, The Truth, and The Light, No one comes to the Father but by Me". Now He was either telling the truth or telling a lie. I don't think there was any grey there. I am hearing more and more from Catholics that anyone can be "good" and go to heaven. Jesus said "There are none good, no not one." I don't see how having crusades changed anyone's heart, but the truth is still the truth. The basis for Christianity is Jesus is the only Way to heaven. Christian denominations disagree about many things, but this is absolute. If Catholics decide that Muslims are as right as Christians, then they become just another cult leading people to hell.

11 posted on 11/13/2006 8:30:38 AM PST by chuckles
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To: libertylovinactivist

Insanity, pure insanity.


12 posted on 11/13/2006 8:31:32 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: libertylovinactivist

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1053 Here's pics of the muslim squatters in churches in europe. Sickening.


13 posted on 11/13/2006 8:34:42 AM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: RoadTest

Your ignorance of the Catholic Church, and of history in general, could fill an ocean.


14 posted on 11/13/2006 8:36:17 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: TonyRo76
Diversity, multiculturalism, tolerance, dialogue, ecumenism, compromise, syncretism, nuance, bending and blending, etc. are wonderful as long as they're not done with those nasty Evangelical Protestants.

The same misguided teachings are rampant in many Protestant churches as well. (I'm an evangelical protestant CHRISTIAN.)

15 posted on 11/13/2006 8:38:19 AM PST by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: RoadTest

"It crossed the ecumenism/syncretism border the first century of it existence, incorporating pagan rites and beliefs and holidays into its form of "Christianity". Masses , Rosary beads, wafers, Mariolatry, priests, Popes, Lent, monasteries, candles, celibacy, abstinences, veneration of relics, veneration of the "Monstrance", purgatory, praying to deceased saints, Papal infallibility and the immaculate conception and assumption are not of our God. They are imported from paganism or invented by men."

And this here is the problem. Instead of focusing energy and talents on the poor souls who do not know to call God Father and Jesus Lord and Saviour, people sit around and attack fellow believers. After all, it is a lot easier than actually witnessing to those who have never known the Truth.

Spreading falsehoods about particular religions is no different than spreading the falsehoods contained in Islam. And yet, some Christians have no qualms doing so.


16 posted on 11/13/2006 8:38:20 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: mockingbyrd

"Spreading falsehoods about particular religions is no different than spreading the falsehoods contained in Islam.z"

You're in denial. You ignored everything I said in order to condemn me.


17 posted on 11/13/2006 9:00:18 AM PST by RoadTest ( He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. -Rev. 3:6)
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To: Prokopton

"Your ignorance of the Catholic Church, and of history in general, could fill an ocean."

No, it's the Catholics who are ignorant of the Catholic Church.


18 posted on 11/13/2006 9:02:35 AM PST by RoadTest ( He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. -Rev. 3:6)
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To: RoadTest

No, I know my faith, I know what the Catholic Church made new again in the Lord and what the Lord gave the Church.

And I know that there are those who hate the Catholic Church, and who have to misrepresent what it teaches in order to spread that hate.


19 posted on 11/13/2006 9:17:29 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: libertylovinactivist

This is disgusting. The Vatican, unfortunately, suffers from the European disease. They are kneejerk appeasers of the first order. Hubby and I were wondering the other night what will happen to the Vatican in 50 years when it is completely surrounded by a Muslim country. Will it relocate? Will we airdrop supplies al la the Berlin Airlift? Can the Swiss Guard hold out? Will they even want to? It boggles the mind.

I have nothing but contempt for Bernard Law. He lost his way a long time ago. He was up to his ears in the pedophile scandal and should, by all rights, be in jail. A huge blot on my Church.

I do think the article goes a little overboard by painting the American Church in the same light as the European Church. It said in Michigan, they are selling one church and leasing another to Muslims. I don't like it, but I don't believe it's legal to discriminate in the sale and leasing of real estate in Michigan. If the Diocese can't afford to keep churches open, they must do something with them.

On the bright side, the American Bishops are looking at ways to deny Communion to apostate politicians. Maybe Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry et al will finally be held accountable in some way. One can hope.


20 posted on 11/13/2006 9:24:45 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: mockingbyrd

I know it too well. That's why you're arguing with me.

It's not out of hate I say these things, but in the hope you will be saved eternally. The priests can't show you the way of salvation - they aren't even saved themselves.


21 posted on 11/13/2006 9:30:13 AM PST by RoadTest ( He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. -Rev. 3:6)
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To: RoadTest

I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior and I walk in the path that He has shown me.

So focus your energy and efforts on those who do not yet know Jesus as their Lord and Savior.


22 posted on 11/13/2006 9:37:50 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: mockingbyrd

"I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior and I walk in the path that He has shown me. "

I'm glad.


25 posted on 11/13/2006 10:17:46 AM PST by RoadTest ( He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. -Rev. 3:6)
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To: NYer

Bump.


26 posted on 11/13/2006 11:10:59 AM PST by fdcc
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To: libertylovinactivist

MUSLIMS: USING OUR GOODNESS AGAINST US FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.


27 posted on 11/13/2006 11:12:20 AM PST by Hildy (RUDY GUILIANI FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008)
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To: monkeywrench

I highly recommend regularly reading www.brusselsjournal.com. It's a website run by a Christian who has been hassled for homeschooling his children. This website extensively discusses the scourges upon Europe attributable Islamic immigration.

It's our future that will be horribly threatened if we fail to act and stop Muslim immigration. Tragically, Bush just doesn't get it. The NYT did a piece stating that under Bush, Muslim immigration into America in 2005 exceeded Muslim immigration for the previous 20 years. This is very dangerous.

American already has CAIR and other militant Wahhabist organization. We don't need to mutiply the fith column of jihadists and, in fact, we need to shut down and deport the Wahhabist lobby.


28 posted on 11/13/2006 4:38:28 PM PST by libertylovinactivist
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To: libertylovinactivist
Cardinal Bernard Law, the former archbishop of Boston, followed the late pope’s example at a suburban mosque in 2002. As the Boston Globe reported on Nov. 25, 2002, “Law removed his shoes. Then, as the imam chanted the sunset prayers, the bishop knelt with his forehead just inches from the carpet and offered praise to Allah.”

Afterward, Law partook of the meal that breaks the day-long Ramadan fast. ''I feel very much at home with my fellow fundamentalists here,” Law said, “who are convinced that God must be at the center of our lives.”

I'm beyond pi$$ed about this. Bernard Law isn't a Fundamentalist, nor would he want to be associated with the term--at least insofar as it applies to America's Heartland folk-Protestantism. But this pompous evolutionist and higher critic, who made a career of covering up homosexuality in his diocese, considers "fundamentalist" a badge of honor when applying to a religion that is as anti-evolution and anti-higher critical as any American Protestant "redneck," but which (unlike the rednecks) routinely murders people. But as with Rosie O'Donnell, all is forgiven to any group that is arbitrarily identified as "the other" (corresponding to the thesis in the Hegelian formula).

Any and all attacks on American rural folk Protestantism emanating from Catholic leaders/publications/organizations from this moment on should be held to be inexcusable. American Fundamentalists should sue the pants off any Catholic publication, organization, or official who smears them from now on, considering the love affair with non-redneck "fundamentalists."

American Catholics, like all historical minority populations in the United States, have long harbored bigoted and hateful attitudes towards their fellow-citizens of the rural American heartland but have been given a pass both because of the traditional double standard in favor of minorities and because of the worship of Catholicism by so many "civilizationist" conservatives. And as with all historical minorities, the burden of "tolerance" and "understanding" is all one way.

If the American Catholic bishops want to act like Jesse Jackson, then so be it. I say it's time conservatives stopped giving the Catholic Church a free ride.

29 posted on 11/13/2006 6:29:18 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayihyu chayyei-Sarah me'ah shanah ve`esrim shanah vesheva` shanim; shenei-chayyei-Sarah.)
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To: TonyRo76
Diversity, multiculturalism, tolerance, dialogue, ecumenism, compromise, syncretism, nuance, bending and blending, etc. are wonderful as long as they're not done with those nasty Evangelical Protestants.

I'm still livid about this double standard (as described in my earlier post). The Catholic Church, which claims to be the true religion of all humanity, has for a long time arbitrarily treated American Fundamentalist Protestants like lepers. But what's the surprise here? Everyone does this. I mean, even Black Fundamentalist Protestants, who are theoretically the co-religionists of the rednecks, prefer atheists, evolutionists, and homosexuals to the "po' buckras." And while we're at it, high-tushed over intellectual American Catholic bishops who treat "redneck" Fundamentalists like infected carcasses, have no trouble with emotional literalistic Black Protestants. For some reason the entire world has just made up its mind that the American "redneck" Fundamentalist is the sub-human cause of all the world's troubles.

There's not a liberal "lover of all people" in the world who doesn't hate us rednecks just because of the culture and geography into which we were born.

I've about had it. No more! NO MORE!!!

Freaking hypocrites, every one of the "cracker"-bashers--including the ones here at FR!!!

30 posted on 11/13/2006 6:36:32 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayihyu chayyei-Sarah me'ah shanah ve`esrim shanah vesheva` shanim; shenei-chayyei-Sarah.)
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To: TonyRo76
My main point was the glaring double standard I always observed in HS and college. While my (liberal) Catholic edje-muck-ators were quick to trumpet the wonders of ecumenism—embracing Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, etal. with respect and collegiality—the idea of fellowship with conservative Christians who actually follow the Bible was always shunned with a prickly, parochial mistrust.

That's it exactly!!! Catholicism in America is in precisely the same position vis a vis Protestantism that Judaism is vis a vis chr*stianity--they're both a mostly urban immigrant population historically affiliated with the Democrat party. Yet the Jews get whacked all the time for this reason while the Catholic Church gets off scot-free.

No Catholic has any right to complain about the way Jews treat Jews for J----- because they have the exact same attitude towards Evangelical Protestants. I'll never understand why mere proselytization is considered such a big taboo, especially by religions that, ethnic and ingrown as they may have become, actually started out that way!

Of course it isn't just Catholics. All the liturgical churches have a unique and almost visceral antipathy to America's heartland Protestantism (at least when practiced by whites). They want to be honorary non-chr*stian leftwing urban minorities in America while still remaining "the one true church" (a claim that is never slammed as bigoted because it is made by minorities). And they want America's rural "rednecks" to serve as the scapegoats for the crimes which they committed.

I'm surprised some of them can look themselves in the mirror.

31 posted on 11/13/2006 6:48:17 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayihyu chayyei-Sarah me'ah shanah ve`esrim shanah vesheva` shanim; shenei-chayyei-Sarah.)
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To: chuckles; RoadTest
What would Catholics do if a pope decreed that homosexuality was OK, or abortion was OK, etc. I was pooh poohed of course, but look at the Anglicans, Lutherans, and many others today.

I think you're operating under the confused notions that (a) Catholicism is whatever the Pope decrees it to be, or that (b) a Pope's bad example is somehow binding on Catholics.

Neither proposition is true. For example, (not that there was truly any doubt) JP2 taught infallibly in Evangelium Vitae that abortion was always a grave moral evil.

There is no wiggle room in what he said, no room for compromise, and no doubt. No future Pope can cross that off the list, any more than he can decree that red is blue or that rain falls up.

As far as a Pope's bad example, the earliest known example (we'll give Peter a pass with his threefold denial because it was before Pentecost) is in Galatians 2. It was, well, a bad example, and St. Paul correctly recognized it as such.

If the Church has survived (barely, but survived) a Pope like Alexander VI, who openly kept a mistress in the Vatican and gave preferments to his illegitimate children, it can survive bishops who are wimps versus Islam. That is not to say that what they do is okay, just that it is not any kind of fatal blow like you seem to think it is.

You aren't going to like the following.

As far as the Anglicans, Lutherans, and others: Protestants went off the rails definitively in the area of sexual morality in 1930, when the Anglican Lambeth Conference decreed that artificial contraception was acceptable for married couples. That was contrary to 2000 years of established Christian teaching. Lord Runcie, the former Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, has admitted that a church which accepts artificial contraception has no consistent, logical grounds for opposing homosexual activity. Once you endorse contraception, you endorse the idea that pleasure alone is sufficient justification for sexual acts. The conclusion that there are no grounds to restrict that pleasure solely to the married, or solely to heterosexuals, follows naturally.

What is the only major Christian denomination which sticks to the position of the Protestant reformers on artificial birth control? Hint: it's not Protestant.

32 posted on 11/13/2006 7:02:35 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The Catholic Church, which claims to be the true religion of all humanity, has for a long time arbitrarily treated American Fundamentalist Protestants like lepers.

I don't hear any Catholics denouncing fundamentalists as antiChrist, do you?

I don't see any Catholics making millions of dollars publishing "novels" which depict a future fundamentalist leader as the "false prophet" of Revelation. Do you?

I don't hear any Catholics claiming that fundamentalism is a Satanic counterfeit of Christianity invented by the emperor Constantine, do you?

I don't hear any Catholic conservatives declaring their unwillingness to work with fundamentalists on social issues, even one so central as abortion. Do you?

I don't see any Catholic apostolates or "ministries" invading fundamentalist Protestant gatherings, leafleting fundamentalist kids with deceptive literature which attempts to look like something from a fundamentalist Protestant background on the outside, while on the inside trashing fundamentalism in an attempt to draw those kids away from their faith. Do you?

I'll tell you what I'm sick and tired of. I'm tired of my faith being relentlessly lied about, trashed, slandered, and misrepresented by so-called "conservatives" on this so-called "conservative" website, and I'm tired of wandering just what I have in common with those so-called "conservatives," who make it clear at every turn that don't respect my right to worship as I see fit.

33 posted on 11/13/2006 7:10:45 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion

But it isn't the Pope who decides what's moral. That's what wars have been fought over and Christians have died at the stake for.


36 posted on 11/14/2006 3:56:45 AM PST by RoadTest ( He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. -Rev. 3:6)
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