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Europe's Demographic Doom
The Economist ^ | 13 Nov 06 | Posted by: Economist.com

Posted on 11/14/2006 6:32:42 AM PST by .cnI redruM

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To: Vicomte13

no you don't get it.

We are DOOOOOMED because we are all SOCIALISTS and don't work hard and don't shoot enough muslims and try to build cars not for size but for effectiveness and because we might not be allowed to sell our innovations to americans in future times and because we had Nazis in Germany (wounder why there's no NAzi comparison in this thread yet).


Anyhow - we could do with a lower states rate that's true. And that means you especially baguette boy ;-)


41 posted on 11/14/2006 8:06:59 AM PST by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: .cnI redruM

damn you did it before I could demand for it.


42 posted on 11/14/2006 8:07:29 AM PST by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Rummenigge

thank you for beeing such a nice cliche.


43 posted on 11/14/2006 8:09:18 AM PST by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Vicomte13
One of the most devout large groups in America are Latino Catholics, and their religion prohibits birth control and abortion.

They also value family and children higher than bank accounts or careers.

44 posted on 11/14/2006 8:10:01 AM PST by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: A. Pole

"Wait a minute! Do you support child penalty tax? Why children should be taxed at higher rate? They should be exempted the same way as other human beings. As it is now, it is parents and children who pay more than their share."

I have a problem with this. You forget that the lions share of most local taxes are the schools and those are mostly paod for by the elderly or folk without kids and without deductions on the state and federal tax forms.

A better and more rational change would be one where those who pay the bills get an enhanced vote while the wagon riders get a reduced say.


45 posted on 11/14/2006 8:10:08 AM PST by Jim Verdolini
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To: Rummenigge

Oh, you and Gunter Grass are both quite welcome.


46 posted on 11/14/2006 8:10:44 AM PST by .cnI redruM (2008 is another day and another battle.)
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To: Jim Verdolini

wait, we had that it was called monarchy.


47 posted on 11/14/2006 8:11:14 AM PST by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Jim Verdolini
A better and more rational change would be one where those who pay the bills get an enhanced vote while the wagon riders get a reduced say.

Children are more important to the survival of society than paying bills. What do I say, they are ONLY thing that counts. No children, no survival.

I would give enhanced vote to the parents - one person one vote, each child extra one vote. Raising children is the ULTIMATE contribution.

48 posted on 11/14/2006 8:13:56 AM PST by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: .cnI redruM

You DO know that Günther 'n me want an independent and capable german army ?


49 posted on 11/14/2006 8:15:03 AM PST by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: A. Pole

Good point.


50 posted on 11/14/2006 8:21:03 AM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Vicomte13
>>>>The demographic future of the United States is to be a Hispanic Catholic country.

I'd say that's somewhat less than certain. I'm not the only person my age to recently have a child. I'm aware that anecdote does not equal data point necessarily, but I also get a sense that most Americans have become more aware that children, not lifestyle hedonism, are more important to the future.
51 posted on 11/14/2006 8:22:19 AM PST by .cnI redruM (2008 is another day and another battle.)
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To: .cnI redruM
When Europe's income, relative to the United States, is the same as that of present-day Lithuania, will the citizens of once-mighty nations really think that ten weeks of vacation is adequate recompense? GDP growth is not just cell phones and flat screen televisions and Princess Diana commemorative plates; it is MRI machines and soft mattresses and books and other things that everyone, left and right, agree are important to have.

Europe is sooooo screwed.

52 posted on 11/14/2006 8:23:09 AM PST by GOPJ (The MSM 's so busy kissing democrat butt they can't see straight - come up for air guys.)
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You DO know that Günther 'n me want an independent and capable german army ?

Everyone in the world is taking one look at Murtha and Nancy and coming to the conclusion they better be ready to defend themselves...

53 posted on 11/14/2006 8:25:41 AM PST by GOPJ (The MSM 's so busy kissing democrat butt they can't see straight - come up for air guys.)
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To: .cnI redruM
The greatest good for the greatest number would be best served by keeping quiet and letting those foolish Americans take the bullet for the rest of the world

It's a great burden to have to endure supermarkets that are actually open more than 20 hours a week, and getting MRIs without having to wait six weeks. But we'll continue to struggle with it, God willing.

54 posted on 11/14/2006 8:26:42 AM PST by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: A. Pole

What child penalty tax? I just pulled out my 2005 1040 form and the deduction for children is already the same as that for adults, $3200 each.

In addition, there is child tax credit of $1000.00 per child, a credit for dependent care expenses and a credit for adoption expenses.

Taxpayers are already compensated for having children.


55 posted on 11/14/2006 8:47:04 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: Jim Verdolini
A better and more rational change would be one where those who pay the bills get an enhanced vote while the wagon riders get a reduced say.

I'm all over that. If you get more than you pay, you should get no vote.

Perhaps we could have the vote weighted by how much you pay in taxes. A dollar to vote equivilancy probably wouldn't work well, but a logrythmic scale might work o.k. 

I kinda like a log scale of votes. Let's say you don't pay taxes (as is the case for about 50% of Americans). This means you get one vote.

If you pay $10 in taxes you get 2 votes. For $100 you get 3, for $1000 you get 4. etc.,

I like this a lot, because if people with more money than they know what to do with could "buy" additional votes (fine with me given the nature of the scale, and considering that every dollar they pay is one less that I don't have to) by paying more in taxes than they might otherwise have.   

56 posted on 11/14/2006 8:58:06 AM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: Vicomte13
"It does mean that similar demographic patters are happening in the US as in Europe. In a sense, it IS because of the social welfare state, but only partly. Mostly, it's religious philosophy."

Assuming that the masses of the continents continue to mix at the current rate:

What will an 'Anglomuslim' value in the continent of 'Eurabia' in the year 2050?

Conversely, what will an 'Anglomexican' value in the continent of 'Mexicanada' during the same time period?



(Hint:..It's a trick question.)

57 posted on 11/14/2006 9:02:49 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Rummenigge
sure we die. You'll, too. But we'll die in style.

Yeah sure. Dying in your government flat on the dole surrounded by your Islamic "guests". Some style.
58 posted on 11/14/2006 9:31:59 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Vicomte13
White American fertility rates are slightly above replacement. If we stopped the border invasion NOW we could still have a recognizable United States in 50 years instead of Mexico Norte.
59 posted on 11/14/2006 9:35:42 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: .cnI redruM

Not to worry. (/sarc)

Someone in OUR government is doing all they can to take us down Europe's path.

(reposts from previous threads)
More Muslims moving to U.S.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1699992/posts

US schools compete for Saudi students -not yet able do effective
background checks on applicants
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1699252/posts

Victor Davis Hanson: Those Saudi Students. It’s not irrational to
be wary of this deal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1701943/posts


60 posted on 11/14/2006 9:40:06 AM PST by VOA
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