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Europe's Demographic Doom
The Economist ^ | 13 Nov 06 | Posted by: Economist.com

Posted on 11/14/2006 6:32:42 AM PST by .cnI redruM

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To: A. Pole
Another item. Raising a child should be recognized as contributing toward Social Security!

Disgusting. Make sure you register the kids in the Slave Surveilance System at birth to qualify for your fabulous gifts and prizes.

61 posted on 11/14/2006 10:00:24 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Rummenigge

"no you don't get it.
We are DOOOOOMED because we are all SOCIALISTS and don't work hard and don't shoot enough muslims and try to build cars not for size but for effectiveness and because we might not be allowed to sell our innovations to americans in future times and because we had Nazis in Germany (wounder why there's no NAzi comparison in this thread yet).
Anyhow - we could do with a lower states rate that's true. And that means you especially baguette boy ;-)"

Well, it is true that France IS a socialist country, in the very truest sense of the word: the government's "Golden Share" in all key industries means that the means of production ARE in fact owned by, or ultimately controlled by, the State. I don't think Germany really is socialist (although everything in Europe is called that on FR!) because I don't think that your industries are ultimately owned by the state.

Socialist or not, Europe has a more robust social welfare state than America does. This is undeniably true. And the core of it: universal, uniform public education, universal health insurance and universal pensions - these things are all handled better in France, anyway, than they are in the USA. Somehow the English, who have gone farther in socializing their doctors than I think anyone in Europe, have managed to botch the health care end of it - merely having good intentions does not suffice without capable officials.

Anyway, we're not doomed. I know so many (white, Catholic) French families with 4 kids now it is a trend!

Baguette boy? Bien sur. Wie der Lieber Gott im Frankreich!


62 posted on 11/14/2006 10:03:28 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Vicomte13
Socialist or not, Europe has a more robust social welfare state than America does.

Still American Social Security system is a success story - the best creation of New Deal. Despite doom sayers it is so solvent that surplus money from it are being spent on "conservative" pet projects.

63 posted on 11/14/2006 10:12:56 AM PST by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: Rummenigge

Besides, I think we're supposed to put on a morality play.

Act I: I am supposed to be the vain, arrogant cheese-eating sissy with a prehensile tail (actually, four out of five have SOME baSIS...sorry about the typo, my tail flicked over the keyboard trying to catch a fallen Brie-crumb) who provokes you by imposing unfair reparations. (Forgetting that we're all under the EU and all pay tribute to Brussels)

Act II: You are supposed to be a stiff-armed swine who comes goose-stepping down the Champs-Elysee while I cringe and wave a white flag. (Forgetting that you are the most pacifistic people in Europe now.)

Act III: I am supposed to cry out for America "Oh, come SAAAAAVE me!", like a damsel in distress. (Forgetting that France has nuclear weapons and can't be invaded by anybody anymore.)

Act IV: The American audience, in self-righteous indignation, gets to stand up and say "You are ON YOUR OWN THIS TIME, Pierre!" And there is much rejoicing.

There, that was very cathartic, no?

In truth, the future of Europe (well, France anyway - you guys need to start paying people to have more babies and get out of your slump) is reasonably bright; about the same as the future of America. America will remain more violent; Europe will remain more conservative and protective of citizens.

Here is proof that the European future is bright: I like Limburger cheese and saurkraut! There! I said it! The heavens did not fall!

(Oh, and I like couscous and tagine and merguez and Morroccan mint tea too. But that's another play, in which you and I are both called "Dhimmi" when the 8% or 5% of our respective populations rise up and dominate the other 92%/95% respectively. That will happen any day now, Hans, because we are DOOMED. Les senores de los Estados Unidos Americanos said so! Perhaps they (and I) am projecting a bit?)


64 posted on 11/14/2006 10:22:45 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Kozak

White American fertility rate is 1.8 children per couple, WELL below replacement. The OVERALL American fertility rate is 2.1, but that is because Hispanics, at 2.45 or thereabouts, drag up the white and blacks, both of whom are below replacement.


65 posted on 11/14/2006 10:27:45 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: A. Pole
Still American Social Security system is a success story - the best creation of New Deal. Despite doom sayers it is so solvent that surplus money from it are being spent on "conservative" pet projects.

This is sarcasm right? It's so hard to tell on FR sometimes. 

66 posted on 11/14/2006 10:39:59 AM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: A. Pole

Social Security was an amazingly good invention.
Look what it did! It converted a whole generation of old people into spending consumers right until the end of their lives, and it freed their children to be able to work.

Bismarck was a genius for inventing it.

But then, Bismarck was just simply a genius period.


67 posted on 11/14/2006 10:46:55 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Vicomte13
But then, Bismarck was just simply a genius period.

Well, he was. Too bad that his successors were dumb.

68 posted on 11/14/2006 10:48:37 AM PST by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: A. Pole

None dumber than the jackass who fired him and set the world on fire.


69 posted on 11/14/2006 10:49:39 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Vicomte13

You are spot on.

Will durant noted the trend decades ago.

The purposeful Vatican program you described is by design for a return to the power lost during the Reformation. That is America is in the midst of a population counterreformation.


70 posted on 11/14/2006 10:54:01 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Rozerem commercials give me nightmares)
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To: bert
That is America is in the midst of a population counterreformation.

"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth"?

71 posted on 11/14/2006 11:15:20 AM PST by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: bert

Indeed. And the good thing that will come out of it is the end of abortion.


72 posted on 11/14/2006 11:17:00 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: .cnI redruM

Creating a child is not stunted because the welfare state makes people more secure. People don't produce children because they no longer believe in the promise of the future. They don't believe the future holds promise because they cannot innovate and produce a brighter future for their progeny-- a socialist state is not accommodating to this.

The Europeans see their nations and lives being reduced by drips to islamic ghettos. Is the muslim male going to settle for his income being conscripted to support the elderly infidel? Likely not.


73 posted on 11/14/2006 11:31:10 AM PST by steveyp
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To: PEACE ENFORCER

The Russians don't have enough people to defend their flank against the Chinese now, apart from trying to garrison Europe.


74 posted on 11/14/2006 11:33:40 AM PST by steveyp
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To: A. Pole

Communist nonsense. All taxes should be based on services used (e.g. school taxes should be paid only by people with children in school, unless and until rendered moot by privatization).


75 posted on 11/14/2006 11:58:11 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: zeugma

Excellent system. Any taxes paid for services you don't use (e.g. school taxes paid by people without children) should (until abolished altogether, as they should be) count the next bracket up (e.g. $100 in such taxes should count as $1000 and be worth 4 extra votes).


76 posted on 11/14/2006 12:01:08 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: steve-b
Communist nonsense. All taxes should be based on services used (e.g. school taxes should be paid only by people with children in school, unless and until rendered moot by privatization).

Very interesting. So why to tax? Parents could pay directly to the school saving money on the middleman.

What about those who do not have money, should their children to be left out of school?

Now what about the military? Those who do not want military operations should be exempt from the respective part of their tax. What about those who do not want police protection (who can defend themselves, hire private guards or take the risk)? They should not pay either.

77 posted on 11/14/2006 12:04:27 PM PST by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: steve-b
Excellent system. Any taxes paid for services you don't use (e.g. school taxes paid by people without children) should (until abolished altogether, as they should be) count the next bracket up (e.g. $100 in such taxes should count as $1000 and be worth 4 extra votes).

Why all this complication? Much better to put the right to vote on sale. Maybe at the auction with limited number of votes.

It can be even simpler and more direct - put the offices itself at the auction! No need for messy elections, let free market work!

78 posted on 11/14/2006 12:09:25 PM PST by A. Pole (Theodore Roosevelt:"The triumph of the mob is just as evil a thing as the triumph of the plutocracy")
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To: Rummenigge

"German innovations to sell to America"?
Isn't that an oxymoron?
Research and then tell me who has more patents and more Nobel prices in the last 20 years.
Of course, it could be that evil Bush paid for them all? :)


79 posted on 11/14/2006 12:13:07 PM PST by americanbychoice2
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To: A. Pole
The size of retirement/social security benefits should be related to the contribution in raising the next generation.

A similar proposal was made by John Zmirak in his article in The American Conservative. I strongly recommend this article.

80 posted on 11/14/2006 12:21:40 PM PST by Feldkurat_Katz (What no women’s magazine ever offers to improve is women’s minds - Taki)
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