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Immigration Enforcement Still a Winner
Human Events ^ | November 13, 2006 | Jessica Echard

Posted on 11/14/2006 3:32:53 PM PST by Dane

Immigration Enforcement Still a Winner

by Jessica Echard Posted Nov 13, 2006

It was only a matter of time before the open-borders crowd tried to scapegoat the immigration issue in light this week’s Republican defeat. Those who blame an immigration enforcement platform for widespread GOP losses are experiencing a moment of selective campaign recall, as if there was a batch of pro-amnesty/guest worker candidates who surged to victory. In fact, quite the opposite is true.

In districts where pro-enforcement incumbents lost, such as Arizona Rep. J.D. Hayworth’s (note: Hayworth has not conceded) and Indiana Rep. John Hostettler, their Democrat opponents actually campaigned on tough enforcement and border security. Hayworth’s opponent stated that “enforcing our nation's immigration laws is an absolutely necessary ingredient to securing the U.S.-Mexico border,” and promised to “extend existing fencing in urban areas” along our southern border. Sounds like he’s taken a page out of “Whatever It Takes,” Hayworth’s recent book on combating illegal immigration.

In Hostettler’s case, his opponent, a county sheriff, had this to say about the crisis of illegal immigration: “It’s also not right when an Indiana employer passes over an American for a job only because an illegal worker is cheaper. We need to tighten our borders, enforce the laws we have, and punish employers who break them.” I don’t know that a candidate talking like that could get the Big Business endorsement.

Also in Arizona, pro-amnesty/guest-worker proponents like to point to the Hayworth loss and the loss of pro-enforcement candidate Randy Graf in the 8th District, as a referendum on the immigration issue. However, they fail to mention four immigration ballot initiatives that Arizonian’s passed overwhelmingly, including making English Arizona’s official language (74%), denying bail to illegal aliens (78%), barring illegal aliens from winning punitive damages (74%), and denying in-state college tuition to illegal immigrants (72%). These are impressive numbers for any ballot initiatives, especially considering the supposed “divisive” nature of the immigration debate. Evidently, nearly three quarters of Arizona voters are “mean-spirited.”

As many pundits have already explained, this was an election cycle when Republicans lost across the ideological board, from pro-amnesty Sen. Mike DeWine (R.-Ohio) to pro-enforcement John Hostettler. Clearly, pro-enforcement candidates did not lose based on their support for the rule of law. In fact, by courageously listening to the American people, they shifted the immigration debate to the political mainstream. While the players and party have changed, the will of the American people remains the same: Enforce our immigration laws.

Jessica Echard is the executive director of Eagle Forum, a pro-family public policy organization founded by Phyllis Schlafly.


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In Hostettler’s case, his opponent, a county sheriff, had this to say about the crisis of illegal immigration: “It’s also not right when an Indiana employer passes over an American for a job only because an illegal worker is cheaper. We need to tighten our borders, enforce the laws we have, and punish employers who break them.” I don’t know that a candidate talking like that could get the Big Business endorsement.

So please tell me Jessica, why is Hostettler's opponent(IIRC, his name is Ellsworth, you should have included that in your article, Jessica), as his first vote in the 110th Congress is going to be for nancy pelosi as Speaker.

1 posted on 11/14/2006 3:32:54 PM PST by Dane
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2 posted on 11/14/2006 3:34:02 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: Dane

This article is baloney. All the staunch border enforcement Republicans lost. And the issue has never polled above 10% of concerns for Americans.


3 posted on 11/14/2006 3:38:38 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Dane

bump


4 posted on 11/14/2006 3:44:23 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Peach

Baloney, Many many people care about this issue. Even a lot of the leftest liberals are ticked off with open boarders.


5 posted on 11/14/2006 3:44:53 PM PST by Revel
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To: Peach



So Dewine, the pro amnesty Sen lost, and Hostetler was out manuevered by a even stronger anti illegal candidate so it would seem to me the myth is quite dead.

We need a broad discussion on the subject..badly.


6 posted on 11/14/2006 3:45:10 PM PST by padre35
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To: padre35
So Dewine, the pro amnesty Sen lost, and Hostetler was out manuevered by a even stronger anti illegal candidate so it would seem to me the myth is quite dead.

Uh Dewine was replaced by the much more liberal sherwood brown, and the guy who defeated Hostettler, Ellsworth, will be voting for nancy pelosi, as his first vote in the 110th Congress.

7 posted on 11/14/2006 3:48:19 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Revel

Once liberals realized that the illegals were draining beloved social programs, they got mad.


8 posted on 11/14/2006 3:51:41 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Revel

Haven't you seen the polls? Every single poll I've seen, including Fox News, the highest this issue received for concern was 9-11%.


9 posted on 11/14/2006 3:54:00 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
All the staunch border enforcement Republicans lost.

So did a lot of Republicans who didn't make immigration an issue.

I believe the immigration/open borders/amnesty issue would have been a winner for Republicans. But, the Republicans lacked a clear message, party discipline and the courage to bring this issue, in particular, to the forefront.

It's simmering out there, and the Party that gets it "right", will be the majority party in 2008.

10 posted on 11/14/2006 3:54:11 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Dane
So Dewine being pro amnesty did not help him at all.

Ellsworth has no other choice but to vote for Pelosi, and that isn't the point, Hostetler lost to someone who even stronger on border security.

All of this bickering back and forth accomplishes nothing BTW, what is the plan? Ignore any serious opinion that doesn't include total amnesty?
11 posted on 11/14/2006 3:54:23 PM PST by padre35
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To: Peach

I've seen the polls at 84%. This is a bipartisan issue. Even the dems want something done.


12 posted on 11/14/2006 3:55:48 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: monkeywrench
If I were a Hispanic, and I heard that being in the country illegally would become a felony, I would vote against whoever proposed that just to avoid the hassle of being ID'd all of the time.

I also wouldn't forget the party that did that.

That is why I say tread lightly and come up with a principled plan that satisfies the majority of complaints.
13 posted on 11/14/2006 3:59:46 PM PST by padre35
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To: monkeywrench

Show me one single poll where Americans have been asked what concerns them most where the polls were at 84%.

When asked what concerns Americans most, it's always Iraq, the economy and a host of other issues. I've never seen it rank higher than 5th or 6th on the list and that's with 11% (max) of people saying it's a concern.

And I'll note that among the staunchest border control people, JD Hayworth and some other names I've forgotten now, they all lost the election. There was an article about this on FR a few days ago.


14 posted on 11/14/2006 4:03:02 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
It's simmering out there, and the Party that gets it "right", will be the majority party in 2008.

BTTT

15 posted on 11/14/2006 4:08:33 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: padre35
That is why I say tread lightly and come up with a principled plan that satisfies the majority of complaints.

You can't please everyone. As the Republicans know well by now. They should concentrate on pleasing their base if they ever want back in power again.
16 posted on 11/14/2006 4:12:33 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: Peach
And I'll note that among the staunchest border control people, JD Hayworth and some other names I've forgotten now, they all lost the election.

You obviously didn't read the article.
17 posted on 11/14/2006 4:13:55 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: Peach

The polls are reflective of what politicians want people to fight about. Nothing more. I can remember congressmen saying 'illegal immigration' was the number one issue called over.


18 posted on 11/14/2006 4:22:14 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: padre35

There's no plan to satisfy many of us, because they won't even talk about how much this is going to cost us. Some say 60 billion is a low estimate. I say forget about it.


19 posted on 11/14/2006 4:23:52 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Peach

Tancredo lost?


20 posted on 11/14/2006 4:27:05 PM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: CottonBall

Any voter who actually believes that Democrats will control the border (I can barely type I'm laughing so hard) is an idiot.

And I am still telling you that I've never seen a poll, and I've seen plenty, where immigration concerns topped 11%.

Things like the economy and Iraq and taxes polled much, much higher. Immigration was around 6th on the list, iirc.


21 posted on 11/14/2006 4:27:46 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Revel

The Open Borders people are HAPPY that the Repubs lost both the House and Senate. Now they can get amnesty.


22 posted on 11/14/2006 4:28:33 PM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: PghBaldy

JD Hayworth and a host of others. Yeah - I know Hayworth hasn't formally conceded yet and I'd love to see him win because he's terrific, but it's unlikely he'll squeek through.


23 posted on 11/14/2006 4:28:53 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

You are right, but that's not the point. The point is in every poll I've seen, Americans want immigration sharply curtailed. Not a laundy list poll, but a poll what specifically asks about immigration. It's a winner.


24 posted on 11/14/2006 4:30:42 PM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: monkeywrench
And that is one of the problems in a nutshell, they won't talk to "us peons".

And BTW 11%? How many elections were lost by 2%-4%?
25 posted on 11/14/2006 4:33:21 PM PST by padre35
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To: PghBaldy

5/3/05 An overwhelming majority of Americans think illegal immigration (search) is a very or somewhat serious problem for the country today, and over two-thirds favor using the United States military to stop illegal immigrants from entering the country, according to the latest FOX News Poll. Almost equal numbers say their concern about illegal immigration is based on homeland security and terrorism as say their concern is about jobs and the economy.

The poll finds 91 percent think the illegal or undocumented immigration situation in the United States today is a "very" serious (63 percent) or "somewhat" serious (28 percent) problem. Only 5 percent think the problem is "not very" serious and 2 percent "not at all" serious
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155413,00.html

4/6/06 Almost all Americans (90 percent) say illegal immigration is a "very" serious (60 percent) or "somewhat" serious (30 percent) problem for the country today — essentially unchanged from a year ago this time.

Republicans (65 percent) are somewhat more likely than Democrats (58 percent) to say illegal immigration is a "very" serious problem, and Americans over age 65 are significantly more likely than those under age 30 to think so (71 percent and 46 percent respectively).

When the question is geared toward the local level, the number saying it is a problem drops by about half, as less than a quarter (23 percent) saying illegal immigration is a "very" serious problem in their community and another 24 percent "somewhat" serious.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190857,00.html


26 posted on 11/14/2006 4:36:26 PM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: PghBaldy

On that we agree. It just doesn't top the list of concerns. And since the economy is doing quite well, there was NO reason for that to be given any priority over immigration whatsoever.


27 posted on 11/14/2006 4:36:46 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
This article is baloney. All the staunch border enforcement Republicans lost. And the issue has never polled above 10% of concerns for Americans.

Lies! Lies! Lies!

Filling in for the Howler?

Question: Do you believe illegal immigration poses a threat to the United States? Undecided 4% Yes 71% No 24%

"Compared to other problems facing the country, how big a problem is illegal immigration? Would you say it is one of the most important problems facing the country, or is it an important problem but not one of the most important, or is it not all that important, or is it not important at all?"

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One of Most
Important
Important Not All That
Important
Not Important
At All
 
% % % %  

6/24-27/06

32 55 8 5  

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FRom here.


28 posted on 11/14/2006 4:38:10 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: PghBaldy

The last two years, I was more upset about immigration thsn any other Repub misstep. The alien marches stunned me. I have a feeling they did not play well in Peoria. They aren't just taking jobs Americans won't do- they are taking high-paying jobs now - construction. Repubs are doomed if they think they can get more Mexican voters (that's what they are- they aren't Americans) than Dems can.


29 posted on 11/14/2006 4:40:25 PM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: raybbr; Howlin

You clearly have no manners. You are supposed to ping the person you're trashing.

And this poll shows just where immigration falls within the average voters list of concerns:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1738020/posts?page=169#169

It's doesn't poll higher than 11% in any poll when given a host of issues.


30 posted on 11/14/2006 4:45:33 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

The economy is doing well? Does that include the phony CPI numbers? I can afford the rampant inflation, but many can't as well. Tuition, food, gas, medical care/insurance... I'm sure that did not help the Repubs, even though it is Greenspan's fault. I'm not just talking about gas. If gas had gone down last year, instead of just before the election, things might have been brighter for us. I think the media buys into the govt fake numbers too easily. One of the few things they do this on. Just about everything I buy is much more expensive than a few years ago. I know it is the Fed Reserve's fault, but most don't realize that.


31 posted on 11/14/2006 4:46:11 PM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: PghBaldy

Rampant inflation? What are you smoking?

You don't seem to know that core inflation has dropped more than ever in 13 years.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1738334/posts

The stock market is at an all time high. More people own stock in this country than ever before. More people own their own homes than ever before in our nation's history.

I'd say the economy is booming.


32 posted on 11/14/2006 4:49:25 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

If you believe the govt's CPI numbers you are mistaken. One month does not a trend make.


33 posted on 11/14/2006 4:58:26 PM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: PghBaldy

So no explanation for more people owning homes and stocks than ever before in our nation's history?

Have you ever seen the census data on the "poor"? It ranges from 60-75% of them own cars, microwaves, large screen televisions, have air conditioning, a roof over their heads and are fat.

Well, okay, the last part, about their being fat -- I made it up :-)

But honestly, there's no other country in the world where the poor are fat.

And now I have to go; I'm just disgusted with the media which has downplayed the economy for 5 years.


34 posted on 11/14/2006 5:01:08 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
"This article is baloney. All the staunch border enforcement Republicans lost. And the issue has never polled above 10% of concerns for Americans."

Where have you been the last couple of years. Republicans lost across the board and Democrats stole this issue from many of them, otherwise they would have called Hayworth and the others, racist and mean spirited instead of being strongly in support of immigration enforcement. Don't the ballot initiatives tell you anything?

35 posted on 11/14/2006 5:23:44 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Peach



Even in this discussion neither side can agree on which poll supports their position.

If there were "no" polls to turn to, what would be the most principled thing that could be done?

If we cannot agree even on that, we will have more and more problems in 2008.


36 posted on 11/14/2006 5:24:03 PM PST by padre35 (We are surrounded, that simplifies our problem Chesty Puller)
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To: gubamyster

Bump!


37 posted on 11/14/2006 5:31:12 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Peach

Peach, with due respect, did you read this part of the article:

"Also in Arizona, pro-amnesty/guest-worker proponents like to point to the Hayworth loss and the loss of pro-enforcement candidate Randy Graf in the 8th District, as a referendum on the immigration issue. However, they fail to mention four immigration ballot initiatives that Arizonian’s passed overwhelmingly, including making English Arizona’s official language (74%), denying bail to illegal aliens (78%), barring illegal aliens from winning punitive damages (74%), and denying in-state college tuition to illegal immigrants (72%). These are impressive numbers for any ballot initiatives, especially considering the supposed “divisive” nature of the immigration debate. Evidently, nearly three quarters of Arizona voters are “mean-spirited.” "

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I've even heard that Heyworth's opponet LIED and said he too, was for enforcing border security. Not sure if that's true, but he lied about so much concerning Heyworth, I wouldn't doubt he lied about the illegal issue too. Arizona's citizens are very concerned about the illegal issue and that a fact. The GOP did NOT support Graft, which was a serious mistake, imho. It costs us Kolbe's former seat.

Peach, I almost always agree with your views, but not on this one, concerning Arizona. Illegal immigration was a top priority for AZ's voters.


38 posted on 11/14/2006 6:14:10 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: Peach

JD Heyworth conceded today. :(


39 posted on 11/14/2006 6:16:58 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: Peach; CottonBall
Poll says voters want immigration reform 71% back enforcement, path to citizenship

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/26/MNG4UK5L621.DTL

From the liberal www.sfgate.com/ no less.

40 posted on 11/14/2006 6:20:38 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: raybbr; Peach
Question: Do you believe illegal immigration poses a threat to the United States? Undecided 4% Yes 71% No 24%

Everybody agrees with that.

And once again you have to be told that that is NOT what we are/were talking about; we were talking about "National Priorities" and this wasn't one of them.

You have yet to provide a poll that shows that immigration was anywhere above 9 or 10 percent in importance.

Can you? If not, be quiet.

And while you're looking, you can look for that post where you said I "always defend" open borders and illegals.

That was yesterday. Still looking, or were you just lying?

41 posted on 11/14/2006 6:27:50 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Pepper777

Illegal immigration may have been a top priority with Arizona voters, although why they didn't overwhelmingly vote for Hayworth will forever remain a mystery.

However, we're talking (or at least I was) about national priorities. And if you'll look at the link I provided up-thread, you'll see that immigration never was a priority. There were always 4-5 or more items that Americans overwhelmingly said were more important.


42 posted on 11/14/2006 6:34:00 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Howlin

I'll bet he's just lying :-)


43 posted on 11/14/2006 6:36:36 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
This article is baloney. All the staunch border enforcement Republicans lost. And the issue has never polled above 10% of concerns for Americans.

So you are saying that Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul, and Duncan Hunter lost?

44 posted on 11/14/2006 6:38:41 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: c-b 1

Keep reading, hon.


45 posted on 11/14/2006 6:42:13 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
You clearly have no manners. You are supposed to ping the person you're trashing.

What are you talking about?

46 posted on 11/14/2006 6:45:54 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Howlin
And while you're looking, you can look for that post where you said I "always defend" open borders and illegals. That was yesterday. Still looking, or were you just lying?

I have explained this twice. I will respond to your tripe only once more. You attack those of us that decry illegals. It's the same as defending them.

47 posted on 11/14/2006 6:48:48 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Howlin
The public opinion survey, conducted by an independent research firm commissioned by a Washington-based public policy group, shows immigration as a top issue for American voters. Pollster Kellyanne Conway. "For 53 percent of the electorate, they say it [immigration] is the top issue or one of their top-three issues," said Kellyanne Conway. "Immigration has never had this kind of primacy in previous elections."From here.

Now you be quiet.

48 posted on 11/14/2006 6:56:56 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Peach

Thanks for the reply, Peach. You're exactly right about Heyworth. It makes no sense that he was not re-elected. Perhaps it had to do with Iraq in the state of Arizona. However like you said, it will forever remain a mystery.

I'm still sick about the loss of such good men as Allen, Weldon and Heyworth. We just need to work harder in 2008.



49 posted on 11/14/2006 9:51:32 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: raybbr; Howlin
What are you talking about?

You know darned well what I'm talking about. When you asked if "I was filling in for howler" you were trashing Howlin behind her back which is considered bad form on Free Republic.

Your lack of manners is exceeded only by your apparent ignorance.

50 posted on 11/15/2006 6:57:19 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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