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Frozen embryos have no right to life: Irish court
Reuters ^ | November 15, 2006 | Paul Hoskins

Posted on 11/15/2006 1:50:53 PM PST by NYer

DUBLIN (Reuters) - A woman lost her fight to have a child without the consent of her estranged husband on Wednesday when an Irish judge ruled frozen embryos did not enjoy the same constitutional right to life as those carried in the womb.

Justice Brian McGovern said most agreed frozen embryos resulting from infertility treatment deserved special respect but ruled "the right to life of the unborn" in the Irish constitution did not extend to them.

"I have come to the conclusion that the three frozen embryos are not 'unborn'," the judge said in a landmark High Court ruling complicated by the fact that existing legislation does not define "unborn".

"There has been no evidence ... to establish that it was ever in the mind of the people voting on the Eight Amendment to the Constitution that 'unborn' meant anything other than a fetus or child within the womb," McGovern added.

The judgment means spare embryos frozen after successful in vitro fertilization (IVF) in 2002 will not be returned to the mother.

She had argued an embryo's right to life meant she could be implanted with them despite the objections of her clinic and of a husband who left her four years ago. The couple are separated but remain man and wife.

The case has sparked heated debate in predominantly Catholic Ireland where abortion is outlawed except in cases where the mother's life could be endangered.

WHERE LIFE BEGINS

Catholic Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin said the case raised "serious concerns" about the level of protection afforded to human life under the Irish constitution.

"Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception," Martin said in a statement, referring to the Catholic Church's doctrine on human life.

"From the first moment of his or her existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person."

McGovern, who has asked the media not to reveal the identity of the couple, acknowledged there was much disagreement about when life begins but that he could not resolve that issue.

"What is clear is that a debate which has existed over centuries continues to this day even with the major advances which have been made in medicine and science," he said.

"Even within different religions, there can be disagreements as to when genetic material becomes a 'human being'. But it is not the function of the courts to choose between competing religious and moral beliefs."

It was now up to Irish lawmakers to decide what steps should be taken to establish the legal status of embryos resulting from IVF treatment, he said.

The woman was married in March 1992 and had a son in 1997. She lost two thirds of her right ovary during the removal of a cyst shortly after the birth and had a daughter in October 2002 following the IVF treatment.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; embryo; ireland; moralabsolutes
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To: metmom

I guess judges are fiends in human form all over the world. :-(

I'll ping it out tomorrow unless my co-pinger gets to it first.


41 posted on 11/15/2006 8:13:14 PM PST by little jeremiah (Jesus' message is not "BUY MORE STUFF"!)
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To: MonroeDNA

911 could do nothing to save a miscarriage except tell the woman to get on bedrest and call her OBGYN, who might phone in some progesterone.

BTDT.




42 posted on 11/15/2006 8:30:01 PM PST by littlehouse36 (Said the Grasshopper to the Ant)
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To: MonroeDNA

Miscarriage usually happens because the baby is already dead.

Sometimes, a woman will "miscarry" or deliver prematurely because of dialation or low progesterone. In the earlier case, the cervix is "stitched" and in the latter, bedrest and progesterone are prescribed.

In the case of premature delivery, if a baby can live outside the womb then by all means he/she should be saved. In most of the examples you give however (<28 weeks) this is not the case.



43 posted on 11/15/2006 8:40:21 PM PST by littlehouse36 (Said the Grasshopper to the Ant)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
The Irish Supreme Court are nothing but a bunch of demon bastards.

Now shall I tell you what I really think?

44 posted on 11/15/2006 9:33:51 PM PST by Maeve
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Yes. for those with the ears to hear.


45 posted on 11/15/2006 9:55:55 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: NYer
Frozen embryos have no right to life: Irish court

So what?!

Neither do thawed out ones, implanted ones, ones that are still inside Mom, and soon, coming to a 'caring' facility near you, ones that have been born, but are considered to have 'poor chances' in life!

46 posted on 11/16/2006 4:05:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: MonroeDNA



RIGHT!


47 posted on 11/16/2006 5:57:28 AM PST by dcnd9
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
IT...I'm sure that you've spoken about abortion to your friends, neighbors, or person in the stool beside yours at the pub.
What would you say is the prevalent opinion on abortion amongst the Irish, oh, twenty-five thru forty years of age?
48 posted on 11/16/2006 6:09:58 PM PST by jla
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To: Maeve
Now shall I tell you what I really think?

I'm probably thinking the same thing about the High court and Supreme Court! :-P

49 posted on 11/17/2006 10:35:29 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: jla

This country is still predominantly pro-life, but many are fooled by the whole "under certain circumstances" nonsense!


50 posted on 11/17/2006 10:37:22 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: gcruse

So you're anti-life, I take it....


51 posted on 11/17/2006 10:37:53 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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