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`Purpose' (Driven Life) pastor has pulpit for Obama (Rick Warren Courts Dems)
Chicago Tribune ^ | 11/16/06

Posted on 11/16/2006 5:33:58 AM PST by Mr. Brightside

WASHINGTON -- Like many fellow Democratic politicians, Sen. Barack Obama is no stranger to the pulpit.

But in December, Obama will go where few progressive Democrats usually venture--to a large, conservative evangelical church that boasts a Sunday attendance of more than 20,000 people.

Even more unusual is that he'll attend at the invitation of megachurch Pastor Rick Warren, evangelical icon and author of the popular Christian book "The Purpose-Driven Life."

Aides to Obama say he will appear at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., on Dec. 1, World AIDS Day.

"Sen. Obama has a deep respect for Mr. Warren's commitment to fighting AIDS and poverty," said Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor.

While he was working on his latest book, "The Audacity of Hope," Obama asked Warren to help by reading one of his draft chapters. Warren issued the invitation to Obama to speak at the church next month.

The messages that Friday will focus on AIDS and HIV, a key area of ministry for Saddleback Church. While many conservative Christians have shied away from AIDS because of their discomfort with its connections to premarital sex and homosexuality, Warren and his wife, church co-founder Kay Warren, have been vocal advocates for patients living with the disease.

Shortly before the release of his latest book, Obama issued a call to progressives to shed bias against religious people and to recognize "overlapping values."

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


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To: Mr. Brightside

I-chabod


51 posted on 11/16/2006 7:18:36 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - For a good time visit www.laurelbaptisttemple.org)
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To: alpha-8-25-02; Gamecock; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; SmithL; lightman; Charles Henrickson
» Democrats are seeking -- and getting -- regular meetings with megachurch pastors T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen and Rick Warren.

Interesting. They're apparently not seeking -- or getting -- regular meetings with genuinely orthodox, Biblical pastors who teach the doctrines of grace and faith alone.

T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen and Rick Warren are among the more notorious semi-Pelagian "health and wealth" peddlers, from what I understand.

52 posted on 11/16/2006 7:22:11 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Blogger
Because Assad is a CAUSE of suffering.

One of many. So is George W. Bush.

He wants the destruction of God's people, Israel.

Israel is not "God's People" - that is the Church (see 1Pe. 2:9, Mt. 21:33-46, Luk. 3:8-9). (Yeah; I believe in supracessionism. The Church always has. So what?)

53 posted on 11/16/2006 7:27:21 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: jude24; P-Marlowe; xzins
See, unlike most FReepers, Rick Warren is explicitly non-partisan. He's willing to work with anyone respectful of his faith who will help alleviate suffering.

I'm not anti-Warren but I think giving Obama a platform in Warren's church is a huge mistake.

Here's Obama's page on Obama and the issues. In giving Obama this platform, Warren may be providing Obama with credibility in the Christian community (and beyond), which IMO is a huge mistake.

54 posted on 11/16/2006 7:27:33 AM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: jude24

You are very ignorant of Scripture, and life. Scripture, because you are ignoring a TON of irrevocable promises God made concerning Israel (including in Romans 11). Ignorant of life because you have the audacity to compare Assad with Bush. In short, get saved. It will change your outlook.


55 posted on 11/16/2006 7:29:54 AM PST by Blogger
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To: mr. mojo risin

The evangelical movement has been quite sick for a while. I saw on Fox News that through their polling 50% of self described Evangelicals voted Democrat. Alot of said faith people out there I guess instead of real faith. Supporting a party that agrees with murder, adultery, stealing and bearing false witness against your fellow man makes you by default a lukewarm feel good Christian. I blame it on the seed faith crappola and bad theology most of these charlatans spew from their fiberglass and carpet pulpits each week. The evangelical movement is opportunistic and knows that the Dems may be the party in power for a while. Reminds me of Josephus and the rebelling Jews aligning with Rome in the 1st century because it was practical. We all know how that worked out. Too many Joel Oesteens and Robert Shullers and not enough Brother Andrews, CS. Lewis and Oz Guinesses. Most of us Christians are not left with much, our mainstream denominations are heretical, the evangelicals are heretical and hypocritical and the culture is sinking into depravity and complacence.


56 posted on 11/16/2006 7:30:18 AM PST by lwg8tr
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To: scripter; jude24; P-Marlowe; xzins
Here's Obama's page

Whoops. I just read my own post and realized that didn't come out right. I meant to say: "Here's a page on Obama and the issues.

57 posted on 11/16/2006 7:33:49 AM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: eeevil conservative

Never mind the tylenol and water; I put my copy (given to me) right in the wet garbage bag and sealed it so no one could EVER read it. Ever.


58 posted on 11/16/2006 7:42:37 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: scripter

ping


59 posted on 11/16/2006 7:44:30 AM PST by latina4dubya
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To: scripter
I'm not anti-Warren but I think giving Obama a platform in Warren's church is a huge mistake.

Agreed.

At first I hoped this story was similiar to Falwell inviting Ted Kennedy to speak at his university... so the kids could hear the other side.

But IMO this is over the top.

60 posted on 11/16/2006 7:46:12 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: TonyRo76
T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen and Rick Warren are among the more notorious semi-Pelagian "health and wealth" peddlers, from what I understand.

i did not realize this about Rick Warren... i read 40 Days of Purpose and did not get "health and wealth" from it... perhaps in other writings he's done? please point me to where i can find this... thanks!

61 posted on 11/16/2006 7:46:55 AM PST by latina4dubya
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To: Blogger
Alright. Your post is Defense's Exhibit A of everything that is wrong with American Evangelical Christianity.

You are very ignorant of Scripture, and life. Scripture, because you are ignoring a TON of irrevocable promises God made concerning Israel (including in Romans 11).

You assume that I am ignorant, because I hold to a view you think is contrary to Scripture. You ignore passages like Galatians 3 (which teaches that the Church is the beneficiary of the Abrahamic covenant) and 1Pe. 2 (which ascribes to the Church the benefits of the Sinaitic covenant); as well as the unanimous teaching of Christianity until the mid-1800's.

Ignorant of life because you have the audacity to compare Assad with Bush. In short, get saved. It will change your outlook.

This is even more offensive. I'm "unsaved," because I believe the actions Pres. Bush took have caused unnecessary suffering of civilians in Iraq? Somehow, Evangelical Christians came to assume that Jesus Christ was a white, middle-class Republican and therefore infer that anyone who disagrees with the Republican Party must disagree with Christianity. Never mind that Christians were the driving force behind the Social Reforms of the early 1900's. Never mind that the Bible commands compassion - including financial support - for the alien, the orphan, and the widow. (Sounds a lot like a rudimentary welfare program!) Never mind that the Old Testament is littered with prohibitions against exploitation of workers. "Blessed are the peacemakers" must be ignored, since that must be the teachings of some hippie radical.

Thankfully, Christianity is experiencing a resurgence of radical orthodoxy. It's orthodox, because it recognizes the teachings of historic Christianity (and so cannot really be called theologically "liberal,") but it is radical in its application to its day-to-day life. Warren isn't really a part of that movement (he's too into the commoditization of Christianity to be a part of it), but it would appear that he is certainly not an enemy.

62 posted on 11/16/2006 7:51:36 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: scripter
With the exception of abortion (which is really a non-issue, since the Supreme Court will not overturn Roe in our lifetimes, regardless of its makeup; and given the recent vote in South Dakota, a human life amendment would never be ratified in 3/4's of the States), I like what I see in Obama's stances.

I'd want to know more, but he sure seems like the kind of Democrat this country needs more of.

63 posted on 11/16/2006 7:54:07 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: Lurking in Kansas

Don't be sad for the congregation.

Warren's "church" is cafeteria christianity at its finest -- theology a mile wide and a micron thick; little more than another SoCal self - help cult.

Those who wish to get their ears tickled are probably not on the narrow path anyway -- though I am sure that some of the attendees have hearts totally sold out to Jesus.


64 posted on 11/16/2006 7:54:31 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: scripter
Warren may be providing Obama with credibility in the Christian community (and beyond), which IMO is a huge mistake.

Considering I've heard an elder at my church who is very intrigued by Obama already, I doubt if Warren is going to give him any credibility he doesn't already have.

65 posted on 11/16/2006 7:55:36 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: AppyPappy

Sounds like Saddleback is supporting "Brokeback."


66 posted on 11/16/2006 7:56:06 AM PST by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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To: jude24
I'd want to know more, but he sure seems like the kind of Democrat this country needs more of.

Okay. You're scaring me.

67 posted on 11/16/2006 7:58:37 AM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: Alex Murphy
Companion Thread
68 posted on 11/16/2006 7:58:37 AM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: jude24
Considering I've heard an elder at my church who is very intrigued by Obama already, I doubt if Warren is going to give him any credibility he doesn't already have.

Now you're really scaring me.

69 posted on 11/16/2006 7:58:47 AM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: L,TOWM
Don't be sad for the congregation.

Warren's "church" is cafeteria christianity at its finest -- theology a mile wide and a micron thick; little more than another SoCal self - help cult.

Those who wish to get their ears tickled are probably not on the narrow path anyway -- though I am sure that some of the attendees have hearts totally sold out to Jesus.

I generally agree with you. However, I’m sure many, many folk there are true seekers wanting the Truth and to find the Answer. I’m sad for those because I’m afraid they will not find the Truth there.

70 posted on 11/16/2006 8:00:00 AM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here? move on.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Here's all you need to preach from the pulpit on AIDS.

" NO fornication, NO sodomy, NO needles, NO AIDS!" "AMEN, Pass the plate."

I don't know why we have to have all these conferences and money raisers. How expensive is it to keep your pants on?

71 posted on 11/16/2006 8:02:04 AM PST by chuckles
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To: Mr. Brightside
We're going to hear a lot from Warren. He'll be a great tool to chip away some evangelical votes from the GOP--he's got cred and a following.

Bet Tony Campolo is seething with jealousy! (g)

I mean, it's not like the elites or the intellectuals in the GOP really wanted evangelicals around in the first place. The Jewish/Catholic (no Baptists allowed) National Review today has a sorrowful piece on how sophisticated "creative class" VA-Webb suburbanites just get the icky shudders with the social-issue religious voter. The NR, along with almost all the "conservative" punditry, have longed to cut the observant Protestants loose from the GOP. Now, with the new anti-conservative Bush in place, they'll have their way.

That same article in the National Review Online rather ignored that Webb got 50K votes from the Muslim Corridor in N Va. Too scary to notice, I guess. About 90% of the Muslims in Va voted for Webb. But the suburbanites and Catholic schoolgirl editors at NRO do fret so! over Assemblies of God having any say in politics. Bah. Pointless, effete girlies and girley boys at the NRO...determined to make us lose as long as we lose politely.

72 posted on 11/16/2006 8:03:47 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: chuckles
How expensive is it to keep your pants on?

It's always less expensive than letting them drop.

Just ask Ted Haggard.

73 posted on 11/16/2006 8:20:38 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Blogger

After Warren destroyed traditional worship, it only follows that he would revisit traditional values as well. As a church musician, I have grown to despise the Purpose Driven movement. The Church's magnificent choral tradition has been replaced by unimaginative crap. As organists and choirs are replaced by "praise" bands, the musically-inclined youth have no incentive to study the fine arts.


74 posted on 11/16/2006 8:26:30 AM PST by Deport Billary
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To: Mamzelle
It would really be interesting to hear how Warren got on this path. He was educated at the same schools that my family went to, and they are very conservative Baptist schools.
75 posted on 11/16/2006 8:28:10 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: jude24
Drivel. I do not ignore ANY Scripture. Yes, the Church has been made a beneficiary of the Abrahamic Covenant. But, we were GRAFTED INTO the vine. We did not obliterate it. That is SCRIPTURE. You have taken one portion of scripture while ignoring the rest. That is the root of your error.

God will revisit his people Israel, and that remnant that he speaks of in Jeremiah, in Zechariah, in Romans 11, in Revelation WILL return to Him and be saved. He will be their God and they shall be His people. He shall save them from their sins. THIS IS SCRIPTURE. And, yes, your view IS contrary to Scripture.

Now, to your other points - and the offence which you took. You have in effect called God a liar concerning Israel and ignorred the plethora of verses concerning his promises to her, so there is some grounds to question the rest of your view of Scripture. << I'm "unsaved," because I believe the actions Pres. Bush took have caused unnecessary suffering of civilians in Iraq? >> No. Because you call God a liar by throwing away his promises to His people Israel. You could think Bush was the anti-Christ. That has nothing to do with it. Your view of Scripture and God's truth does.

I certainly question anyone who ignores portions of Scripture in their own misguided quest to make the church the best thing that ever was. Remember the warning of Romans. He grafted us in. He can take us out again. Don't be conceited in thinking that God has thrown Israel away. (And yes, I do refer to you with the 'us' as I doubt that you are unsaved, but good grief, you're missing some big Scriptural points).

<> Nice rhetoric, but it is untrue. The vast majority of evangelicals believe that Jesus was a Jew from Israel. They may vote Republican because they are pro-life. But social conservatives, which have a large representation among evangelicals vote Republican on principle and question people when they ignore those basic principles (freedom to worship as we see fit, freedom to breathe our first breath, etc.,). Republicanism or Bush have nothing to do with it in and of themselves and if either steps away from those core beliefs most Christians will drop them like a rock (provided that an even worse evil isn't lurking to take their place if the Republican were to lose such as in this election).

Back to you. Assad is a terrorist. You are not unsaved for believing that he is someone to be negotiated with. You are just painfully ignorant of reality. Take offense if you will, but it is the kind of thinking will get us hit again.

<< Never mind that Christians were the driving force behind the Social Reforms of the early 1900's.>> Uh, yeah. I was a history professor among other things, so, yes, I'm aware of this. And???? What have I said that says we shouldn't try to reform society? Because I question why Obama, a liberal socialistic abortion loving creep would be allowed to step in a church's pulpit? Sounds like the shepherd inviting a predator into the sheepfold to me.

<< Never mind that the Bible commands compassion - including financial support - for the alien, the orphan, and the widow. (Sounds a lot like a rudimentary welfare program!) >> Close, but not quite. Yes, we are to help those who need help. The Bible also is specific in that we should be helping the Widows and orphans WHO ARE PART OF THE BELIEVERS IMMEDIATE CIRCLE: "If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed. " And, it also says if you don't work, you don't eat.(2 Thessalonians 3:10).

With that said, I agree there is a lot socially that the Church should be doing. We have handed over that responsibility to the Government, which is wrong. Nevertheless, neither of these have anything to do with your supporting the terrorist Assad, ignoring God's passages concerning Israel, and equating Bush with Assad.

<<"Blessed are the peacemakers" must be ignored, since that must be the teachings of some hippie radical. >> Cute. Welcome to life. There will be war in life. Paul said WHEREVER IT IS AT ALL POSSIBLE, live in Peace. Sometimes it is not possible. Jesus said, I come not to bring peace but a sword. Some things are worth taking up arms over. They are not prohibited by God's Scripture.

<> Radical orthodoxy? How about Scriptural literacy? We do not have to rely upon the teachings of men to determine what is right or wrong. we have Scripture. Throw all of man's traditions down the Toilet. ALL OF THEM. God's Word is Sufficient.

<< Warren isn't really a part of that movement (he's too into the commoditization of Christianity to be a part of it), but it would appear that he is certainly not an enemy.>> You obviously haven't been a part of a church that tried to implement his purpose driven Christianity. It is wrecking churches. It casts off those who have supported the church for their whole lives and gives a lukewarm watered down Christianity to those it reaches. He is certainly worth being concerned over if he isn't fully from the dark side.

Remember, in the end times people will heap up unto themselves teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will not endure sound doctrine. They will not follow God. And, they will receive the just recompence for their sins.

Strong BIBLICAL churches is what is needed. Not a demographically driven mushy targeted advertising campaign applied to the church.
76 posted on 11/16/2006 8:36:04 AM PST by Blogger
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To: Deport Billary

I am in a praise band. Some of the music done is meaty. Most of it, however, is mediocre at best. The hymns and deeper theological songs have gone by the way side - and it is all because of a purpose driven mentality. Our church is not a healthy church right now because of it and hearts are broken all over the congregation. I stay because God has given me a teaching ministry there and because He hasn't said I could step down from the praise band.


77 posted on 11/16/2006 8:38:38 AM PST by Blogger
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To: Mr. Brightside

Just one puffed-up hack preaching at another puffed-up hack's church. You know, the Robert Schuller model.


78 posted on 11/16/2006 8:48:15 AM PST by Cecily (`)
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To: jude24
Israel is not "God's People" - that is the Church (see 1Pe. 2:9, Mt. 21:33-46, Luk. 3:8-9). (Yeah; I believe in supracessionism. The Church always has. So what?)

Supercessionism is a lie from the pit of Hell. You can go on and on about what consitutes "orthodoxy" but you will NEVER find any Scripture to support such onerous and wicked concepts as supercessionism. It, like so many things the "church" has done, plain and simply calls G-d a liar. Divine curses are all such theologies can expect. Read Romans 11 and get down off your arrogant perch.
79 posted on 11/16/2006 8:50:40 AM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: AppyPappy

Ain't a town...it's a mountain.


80 posted on 11/16/2006 8:52:14 AM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

See?!

Barack Obama IS the antichrist.


81 posted on 11/16/2006 8:55:45 AM PST by newgeezer (Sarcasm content: 50%)
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To: mr. mojo risin

You described Warren and his Laodicean Lemmings to a T.


82 posted on 11/16/2006 8:59:18 AM PST by Cecily (`)
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To: Mr. Brightside

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1738336/posts?page=17#17


83 posted on 11/16/2006 9:00:51 AM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: Lurking in Kansas

And they'll move on to a real church as the Holy Spirit leads them.

The next mega church I see that actually seems to be submitted to God's Word will be the first one.

Anything larger than 2,000 adults in the congregation is not going to have much theological depth, fellowship, accountability, or strong preaching associated with it. Strong churches raise up leaders that can be senior pastors in their own right and birth more churches.

A not for profit corporation that collects donations once a week from the most people that they can cram into the doors to watch some flim flammery after latte-ing up at the coffee bar can be many things. But not a church.


84 posted on 11/16/2006 9:37:25 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: Mr. Brightside

I've always wondered what's up with Obama's profoundly discolored lips. Heart troubles? Blue Baby?


85 posted on 11/16/2006 9:43:28 AM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Halls

"I've completely lost all respect for Warren!"

Never had any to begin with. Heard him speak once and that was enough.


86 posted on 11/16/2006 9:47:32 AM PST by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: jude24; Blogger
emergent alert! emergent alert!

The emergent church detector just went off!

87 posted on 11/16/2006 9:47:55 AM PST by pby
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To: mariabush
According to a Christianity Today article, after seminary, Warren went to be trained by Robert Shuller.

Kay Warren said that she was nervous at first, due to Shuller's lack of orthodoxy, but that they were won over by Shuller. The rest is history.

Even early on, Warren was associating with less than orthodox folks (false teachers).

88 posted on 11/16/2006 10:03:37 AM PST by pby
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To: jude24; scripter; P-Marlowe

I've defended Warren in issues of faith in the past. However, I think he's wrong for siding with the global warming folks because the science is not yet there. (Although bible prophecy is with him on an eventual "warming." Yes, I'm prepared for another premill diatribe....:>)

I don't think a pastor should intentionally inject politics into the pulpit, BECAUSE I believe the pastor should be methodically dealing with the Bible. If he can come up with "Barak Obama says" from a passage about getting a coin out of a fish's mouth, then he's got "insight" that I'm just not sourced to receive.

I believe he's toadying, but I can't yet prove it.



89 posted on 11/16/2006 10:13:00 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: L,TOWM

When Adrian Rogers was pastor at the 30,000 member church in Memphis, Tenn. it was totally submitted to the Word of God.


90 posted on 11/16/2006 10:15:06 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Mr. Brightside

More proof that politics and church do not belong together.

People of faith should vote according to their conscience, but churches shouldn't be about politics and that applies even when they are on our side. It is a recipe for trouble, and too often gets in the way of The Message.


91 posted on 11/16/2006 10:17:11 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: pby
Warren should have just stopped with his seminary training.

I wonder how long Saddleback will be affiliated with the So. Baptist Convention?
92 posted on 11/16/2006 10:17:44 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: pby

this emergent church is really pissing me off cause churches like mine that I have grown up in and loved is now very involved in it. Heck our own music minister who was once a good strong conservative evangelical has turned totally liberal!


93 posted on 11/16/2006 10:20:54 AM PST by Halls (God, please grant me the serenity to accept what I can not change....)
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To: pby
The emergent church detector just went off!

Actually, no. I'm friendly to some of the concerns of the emergent church (such that our "christianese" gets in the way), I'm still too into Historical Theology to be considered "emergent." I'm not aware of very many Emergents who are Magisterial Protestants.

94 posted on 11/16/2006 10:21:37 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: jude24
I like what I see in Obama's stances.

Ok...forgetting the entire Christianity angle here...Are you kidding me? There is something I NEVER thought I would see on this site. An open endorsement of Barack Obama.

I am honestly shocked.

95 posted on 11/16/2006 10:23:52 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: mariabush
Education doesn't make a preacher of the Gospel nor an overseer of the flock.

The SBC is full of Warren types and wannabees...They won't do anything about it.

If they did, they would have to address several top names (maybe Ed Young Jr., Andy Stanley, and the like).

96 posted on 11/16/2006 10:26:12 AM PST by pby
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To: xzins
I don't think a pastor should intentionally inject politics into the pulpit, BECAUSE I believe the pastor should be methodically dealing with the Bible.

Unfortunately, faith and politics have been inextricably linked for as long as I have been alive. To untangle it would require active work to extricate the Church from the Republican agenda.

97 posted on 11/16/2006 10:27:09 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: pollyannaish
No, I am not kidding.

Admittedly, in the 6 years since I joined here, I have moved a little towards the center - and the Republicans have lurched to the hard right. I cannot endorse Obama at this time, but I am intrigued by what I see.

98 posted on 11/16/2006 10:30:13 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: Mr. Brightside
I thought Clinton went to Hybel's church.

That is my recollection as well.
99 posted on 11/16/2006 10:32:44 AM PST by VOA
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To: newgeezer
See?! Barack Obama IS the antichrist.

I never siad he wasn't, I was just hoping you had evidence! :-)

100 posted on 11/16/2006 10:35:01 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Welcome swingers! Pull up a groove and get fabulous!)
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