Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Fear not, smart women
Washington Times ^ | 11/16/06 | Shelley Widhalm

Posted on 11/16/2006 7:07:33 AM PST by qam1

Those who say that men don't like women with brains and careers are misleading women, says New York columnist Christine B. Whelan, author of "Why Smart Men Marry Smart Women," published this year.

Ms. Whelan, 29, says she wrote the book, in part, to respond to New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd's claim in her 2005 book "Are Men Necessary?" that success decreases a woman's chance for marriage.

"This isn't good news," Ms. Whelan said about reading the book when she was single and had just finished her doctoral degree in economic and social history. "The social scientist in me knew better than to accept this conventional wisdom without doing research of my own."

Ms. Whelan researched U.S. Census Bureau data, commissioned a national opinion survey and conducted interviews with more than 100 high-achieving men and women in nine cities to gather material for her book. What she found was that high-achieving women -- women with graduate degrees and/or an income in the top 10 percent of women in their age group -- married at the same rate as all other women did, but later in life, and that outdated information and misinterpreted statistics had women believing otherwise.

She calls these women SWANS, or Strong Women Achievers, No Spouse

The statistics Ms. Whelan provides in her book show that American women marry by an average age of 30 if they have a graduate degree, the median age for all women to marry is 25, and 90 percent of women marry by 44.

"Ms. Dowd is painting the wrong picture for our generation," Ms. Whelan said, adding that Ms. Dowd was right in saying that prior to the 1980s, it was more difficult for smart, successful women to get married and have children............

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: genx; maureendowd; whelan
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-126 next last

1 posted on 11/16/2006 7:07:34 AM PST by qam1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: qam1

"what men like" is diverse because men are diverse.


2 posted on 11/16/2006 7:09:20 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1
She calls these women SWANS, or Strong Women Achievers, No Spouse

Bitches was already taken.

(Easy ladies....just joking)

3 posted on 11/16/2006 7:10:24 AM PST by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; ...
Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social (and sometimes nostalgic) aspects that directly effects Generation Reagan / Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details and previous articles.

4 posted on 11/16/2006 7:11:21 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1

Strong Women...

The problem with feminism is it tells women they don't need men, and this is a false premise. It is as false as telling men they don't need women.

Men and women are different, complimentary, and should not convince themselves that they are better off independent. We are always better off together.


5 posted on 11/16/2006 7:12:27 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1
I don't know about now, but back when I was redhotmatter, if a man even suspected a girl of intelligence, she needed a new vette and a set of D's to get his attention.
6 posted on 11/16/2006 7:15:39 AM PST by Graymatter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: edpc
.


Edpc,


Bitches was already taken. (Easy ladies....just joking)


It's OK ...

They absolutely ARE bitches ... and they're alone and successful in the corporate world (without a man) because they're either intolerable to live with, are having sex with every man above them on the corporate ladder, or they're lesbians ...

Let's not mince words here ...


Patton-at-Bastogne

"May God and His Angels Guard Your Sacred Throne, and May You Long Become It."

Shakespeare, Henry V, Act I, Scene II


.
7 posted on 11/16/2006 7:18:09 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: edpc

The problem is, many women just don't know the difference between strength and bitchery.


8 posted on 11/16/2006 7:18:46 AM PST by JennysCool
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: qam1

Despite what that old fool Maureen Dowd says to make her unappealing self feel better, I would say that most men prefer smart women. I know I do. Nothing grates on your skin like being around dumb people all the time.


9 posted on 11/16/2006 7:18:56 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paloma_55
"Men and women are different, complimentary, and should not convince themselves that they are better off independent. We are always better off together."

That's a down to earth way of looking at it.

By the way, I like your about page "Common Sense Conservative".

I like to think of myself as a Realist Conservative.

10 posted on 11/16/2006 7:19:16 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: qam1
I am personally very attracted to "smart women". However, the only smart women that do it for me are solid Christian women who I also find attractive.

Attractive or smart women without strong morals can truly repulse me when I think of dating or marrying such a person.

I'm glad my wife-to-be meets all of that criteria!
11 posted on 11/16/2006 7:19:35 AM PST by ConservativeMind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paloma_55

"Men and women are different, complimentary, and should not convince themselves that they are better off independent. We are always better off together."

Absolutely correct. And in total opposition to what the social scientists want you to believe. Men and women are the same in their eyes, the only difference being socialization, (this is stupid beyond words).

I sympathize with young men these days. Many women have bought into the liberal dogma, and believe men and women are the same, and many women are out to prove they are better men than the men they date.

I'm glad I'm married and out of that dating pool.


12 posted on 11/16/2006 7:21:28 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: qam1
I was in a meeting last year with one particular career woman who is particularly known for an abrasive personal style, which she justified by saying "if a man did that, you'd just say he was strong, but if a woman does it, she's a bitch".

You know the type. Their male counterpart is that type we refer to as "assholes", but I digress.

At one point in a meeting she had been acting particularly misandrystic with some of the other women in the gathering, and she came out with that old canard bemoaning her life, "Where have all the good men gone?"

To which I sweetly replied, "You're too late. They're married to the good women".

13 posted on 11/16/2006 7:21:59 AM PST by Kenton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1

my lady had a phd. AND she's smart as well. ther reason that a lot of 'smoart women' can't find a guy is they ther're dumb enough to beleive the feminist agenda. nobody decent is gonna hang around a woman who constantly bashes men, and whines about how bad it is to be a woman.

real smart women are highly attractive to good men. very much so.


14 posted on 11/16/2006 7:22:27 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JennysCool
The problem is, many women just don't know the difference between strength and bitchery.

Agreed. Many men, too.
15 posted on 11/16/2006 7:22:40 AM PST by HaveHadEnough
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Graymatter; All

Well...I have worked in the biotech and medical fields. There are tons of great looking girls in traditional "nerd" positions who have no problems getting dates.


16 posted on 11/16/2006 7:22:46 AM PST by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: qam1
It seems to me the more interesting questions are not whether "success" reduces women's likelihood of marrying simpliciter, but rather whether there are traits that women who are very successful exhibit which make them less likely to marry ceterus paribus than women who do not exhibit those traits.
17 posted on 11/16/2006 7:26:41 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1

Has Dowd considered the possibility that she's a miserable beyotch?


18 posted on 11/16/2006 7:29:28 AM PST by popdonnelly
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CatoRenasci

"...likely to marry ceterus paribus than women who do not exhibit those traits."

Gee, does knowing Latin make you smarter than someone who doesn't know Latin? Are you in the camp of Teresa Heinz who is of a belief that the more languages you speak, the smarter you are? (Which would make Mrs. Heinz one smart cookie?)

Is English so imprecise and limited that you can't express your thoughts in English? Or are you just trying to telegraph something about your own character traits?


19 posted on 11/16/2006 7:32:25 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: qam1
The article doesn't distinguish between women who are intelligent and women who are in positions of power.

Smart women frequently marry men who aren't as intelligent as they are, but successful women are loath to settle for men who aren't as high on the social or corporate ladder. The higher she climbs, the fewer the romantic options.

20 posted on 11/16/2006 7:32:41 AM PST by Physicist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1

A typical argument women like to use is: "Men just can't accept a stong, independant woman"

I'd liek to see one describe the difference between "strong and independent" and "self centered, and uncompromising"


21 posted on 11/16/2006 7:33:29 AM PST by NOLA_homebrewer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1
What she found was that high-achieving women -- women with graduate degrees and/or an income in the top 10 percent of women in their age group -- married at the same rate as all other women did, but later in life

That constitutes less success. They stay single until their fertility is almost gone. Furthermore, they have less of their lives to spend with their spouse. Marrying at 35 is not "just as good" as marrying at 25.

22 posted on 11/16/2006 7:37:22 AM PST by Physicist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1

Now that I've finished my education and have a decent-paying job, I'm less interested in "finding a man" than I was before. I'm more interested in home decorating, salvaging my finances after years of student loans, and getting good at my job. I'm finally getting my life set up the way I want and honestly, I'm a little afraid that a man will kind of mess it up. I like men (they smell good) but I don't like cleaning up after them, or watching them spend money on things we don't need while things we do need (IMO) go unsatisfied.


23 posted on 11/16/2006 7:40:04 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Graymatter
>>I don't know about now, but back when I was redhotmatter, if a man even suspected a girl of intelligence, she needed a new vette and a set of D's to get his attention.<<

Sad, but true.

24 posted on 11/16/2006 7:41:42 AM PST by FourPeas (The right thing to do never requires any subterfuge, it is always simple and direct. Calvin Coolidge)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: qam1
However, many smart women want to take on traditional roles and put motherhood first when they have children or are willing to take on both roles, said Carrie Lukas

Yes. Yes we do! ;-)

(I know that was a bit smarmy, but it was just too easy to pass up!)

25 posted on 11/16/2006 7:50:13 AM PST by Marie (Enjoy it Dems. It won't happen next time.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JennysCool
"many women just don't know the difference between strength and bitchery"

Yes, a difference which has been blurred by decades of rabid feminism. Unfortunately.

Personally, I have no problem whatsoever with strong women -- I wish there were more of them. As it stands, I married one, and remain happily in that arrangement. $:-)

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

26 posted on 11/16/2006 7:51:49 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: JennysCool
The problem is, many women just don't know the difference between strength and bitchery.

LOLOLOL. I like that!!

27 posted on 11/16/2006 7:52:29 AM PST by Tribune7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: brownsfan; CatoRenasci
That was Latin? Neat!

Seriously, one of the things I found most attractive about my husband was that he never uttered the phrase, "You're just tryin' to make me feel dumb by using big words."

I don't know if it's a generalized reality or if it's just me, but IMHO women like men who are more intelligent and successful than they are.

28 posted on 11/16/2006 7:56:40 AM PST by Marie (Smart, educated women make smart, educated children!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Joe Brower
>"Women do not find it difficult nowadays to behave like men, but they often find it extremely difficult to behave like gentlemen." - Compton Mackenzie.
29 posted on 11/16/2006 7:58:16 AM PST by Alkhin ("I WANT TO BELIEVE" X-Files)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Physicist
"Smart women frequently marry men who aren't as intelligent as they are, but successful women are loath to settle for men who aren't as high on the social or corporate ladder."

Just think ..if I had been a little smarter I could have married a moron! /s

Just teasing ya. :)

Everyone is different. That's the bottom line.

The traditional feminists are the ones trying to put people in little pigeon holes so the can take back some kind of a platform.

Me thinks their days are numbered with forces like "Feminists for Life' emerging.

30 posted on 11/16/2006 7:58:40 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: brownsfan

My sister-in-law is of that persuasion, that women are better than men, blah blah blah. She has turned two perfectly good boys into spineless men who are afraid of making any kind of decision on their own without mommy's ok (or some other woman for that matter). If either one of them gets married, their wives are going to have one heck of a time turning them into real men- if that can be done.


31 posted on 11/16/2006 8:00:54 AM PST by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Joe Brower

Same here.


32 posted on 11/16/2006 8:02:18 AM PST by Ragnar54
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: qam1

The problem is women who confuse "smart" with "educated." No amount of education will make a bitter moonbat smart.


33 posted on 11/16/2006 8:06:19 AM PST by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1

Can't beleive I'm the first to post a picture.
34 posted on 11/16/2006 8:15:42 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MissEdie
"She has turned two perfectly good boys into spineless men who are afraid of making any kind of decision on their own without mommy's ok.."

I know some women like that. I think the are closet Lezbos myself.

I'm an independent female. I raised both my sons and my daughters to be independent but showed an example of love between my husband and I.

Somehow they all got married. Imagine that.

The nice thing about the hard core feminists is that they are not reproducing themselves in mass anymore since a lot of them came out in the open. It's feminazi suicide. LOL.

35 posted on 11/16/2006 8:16:30 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: MissEdie

" If either one of them gets married, their wives are going to have one heck of a time turning them into real men- if that can be done."

Since I'm an old duffer, I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing that many women today would be very happy with those spineless men.

On a related note, those of us men who haven't had the spine-ectomy. Generally we're referred to as being cranky or mean. If you have an opinion, and express it, that's totally mean. So I take on the role of curmudgeon.


36 posted on 11/16/2006 8:19:44 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Vigilanteman

When Ann can have a few children (or four) then maybe I'll post her picture.


37 posted on 11/16/2006 8:19:47 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: All
There is definitely nothing, and I mean nothing, hotter than being constantly reminded of how intimidated I am.
38 posted on 11/16/2006 8:20:20 AM PST by The Toll
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: NOLA_homebrewer
A typical argument women like to use is: "Men just can't accept a stong, independant woman" I'd liek to see one describe the difference between "strong and independent" and "self centered, and uncompromising"

I'll give it a go: I consider myself "strong and independent" in a good way. Taking my kids out of an abusive marriage, I now find myself a single parent. I have to be strong for my kids and I consider myself independent, not out searching for another man to support me and my kids - who would find that attracive? I wouldn't consider that self-centered, since my focus is my children, but I may be uncompromising since I have very strong values I'm trying to raise them with. Then again, I'm sure some men have those same uncompromising values. ;o)

But generally, you are correct.

39 posted on 11/16/2006 8:25:34 AM PST by momfirst
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: brownsfan
"Generally we're referred to as being cranky or mean. If you have an opinion, and express it, that's totally mean. "

Cranky is ok. My husband and I are both "cranky"...but we also have a sense of humor.

Our children think it's hilarious to watch us go from an all-out argument to laughing hysterically at each other because we sound so much alike.

Happens every time. You just gotta be there. :^)

40 posted on 11/16/2006 8:26:25 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: meowmeow
The problem is women who confuse "smart" with "educated." No amount of education will make a bitter moonbat smart.

Ditto that!! - and it applies to men and women.

41 posted on 11/16/2006 8:28:06 AM PST by momfirst
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: qam1

I don't mind strong, career minded women at all, provided that they are not spoiled, obnoxious, self-absorbed, selfish, materialistic control freaks as my experience has led me to believe many of them are.


42 posted on 11/16/2006 8:29:17 AM PST by RatRipper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RatRipper
"I don't mind strong, career minded women at all, provided that they are not spoiled, obnoxious, self-absorbed, selfish, materialistic control freaks as my experience has led me to believe many of them are."

Sounds like the ones you met need to grown up or see a therapist.

43 posted on 11/16/2006 8:32:14 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Paloma_55

I think you meant "complementary." (This is where my ex-DH would've told me to "dummy up.")


44 posted on 11/16/2006 8:36:42 AM PST by Rte66
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: qam1

All I know is that being married to a smart woman has been good for my health, my finances, and my love life.


45 posted on 11/16/2006 8:43:19 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1

I love smart women. I just don't like self-centered overly ambitious ones who leave heel marks in piles of bodies (and kids in day care) on their way to the top.


46 posted on 11/16/2006 8:45:10 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1

Probably why slick Willie chose Monica instead of Hillary, he prefers smart women


47 posted on 11/16/2006 8:46:32 AM PST by dforest (Don't get fooled, the bigger struggle is still out there, and growing)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Rte66
"I think you meant "complementary." (This is where my ex-DH would've told me to "dummy up.")"

I never could find my magical intelligence turn off valve either. I guess I spent too much time reading, writing, researching, building computers and various other "non-intelligent" activities to find it.

48 posted on 11/16/2006 8:48:41 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Rte66

Dummy up!

:)


49 posted on 11/16/2006 8:50:34 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Graymatter
I don't know about now, but back when I was redhotmatter, if a man even suspected a girl of intelligence, she needed a new vette and a set of D's to get his attention.

Unless he doesn't know one way or the other on first sight. I remember as a teenage girl I would want to go check out the cute guys. One acquaintance said I should be looking for someone who had a good personality and was intelligent. I never went up to a guy and thought, he's the ugliest thing alive, but he might have a great personality, so I'll go after him.

My husband noticed my -- uh --assets first, then found out about the intelligence after we talked.

50 posted on 11/16/2006 8:53:19 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-126 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson