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US Catholic Church seeks to find root of priest sex abuse
AFP ^ | 11/16/06

Posted on 11/16/2006 9:54:57 AM PST by presidio9

The US Roman Catholic Church has asked a criminology school to delve into the darkest pages of its history by probing the causes of a priest sex abuse scandal.

At a meeting due to end Thursday in the eastern city of Baltimore, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops voted to disburse 335,000 dollars to fund the first three phases of a study by New York's John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

"It will be a groundbreaking study, never done before in the US, nor in the world," Bishop Gregory Aymond, who chairs the Committee for the Protection of Children and Young People, told AFP.

"We don't know what would come out of it, but we are going to tell the truth," said Aymond, of Austin, Texas.

In 2002, the John Jay College of Criminal Justice had made a list of complaints and pedophilia cases in the US Catholic Church since 1985, when one of the first scandals came to light with the case of a Louisiana priest.

The university will now look into the "social and historical context" of sex abuse to see if such cases are more frequent in the Church than in the rest of society, notably in schools and youth clubs, Aymond said.

The Church wants to "look at what is unique" in the priest sex abuse crisis, he said.

The first part of the study would be completed in 2008 and made public, although the names of suspected priests would be omitted.

In the second part, the university will evaluate the Church leadership's response to sex abuse cases.

"We want to see where we failed and made some mistakes, and learn from those who handled it well," Aymond said.

The study will also paint a psychological profile of pedophiliac priests by reviewing cases in treatment centers.

The review will aim to show "to what extent is a priest sexual abuser profile the same as the psychological profile of the non-priests who are sex offenders," Aymond said.

The university will also interview abuse victims and examine education at seminaries over the decades.

The majority of priests accused of sex abuse were trained in the 1960s and 1970s in seminaries where psychological tests and sexuality education have since been introduced.

A final phase of the study will make proposals on how to prevent sex abuse and help victims.

"Our goal is to ascertain the causes of the clergy sexual abuse crisis and if we need to change any method we have now," said Teresa Kettlekamp, the executive director of the bishops conference's Office of Child and Youth Protection, which was created in 2002, in the wake of the sex abuse scandal.

But the study would also be useful to schools and youth groups, Church officials said.

"The pathology of abusing children isn't unique; it's a societal problem," Kettlekamp said.

"We are hoping it will be a big, big help to the society in general," she said.


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To: Kenny Bunk
Did not know that. It makes sense.

Another problem, is that during Viet Nam War, many seminaries (of various denominations) threw open their doors to leftists and cowards who were trying to escape the draft because in 1968 the Selective Service closed 2S deferments for most graduate students, with the exception of Divinity Students. When the war ended they stayed and cluttered up the churches.

Also, until the society decided homosexuality was what you were, it was simply a sin. There were interlocking mores which enforced sexual morality. Those are gone. It is much easier to 'act out' homosexual acts now without guilt.
251 posted on 11/16/2006 1:46:19 PM PST by NathanR (Après moi, le deluge.)
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To: Patriotic1
Pedophiles go where the kids are. And married men can be pedophiles too (gay or straight).

I have four American-English dictionaries covering words for over 125 years. Only the most recently-published dictionary has dropped the word "pederast". Pederast means sex between men and young boys.

When I contacted my neighbor about this (Liberal of course—Wisconsin Academia), he ridiculed the use of the word. Even Howie Carr gave up after a few uses during the Velvet Mafia crisis.

Continuing to use "pedophile" where "pederast" is spot-on, will obfuscate this discussion forever.

252 posted on 11/16/2006 1:58:56 PM PST by Eclectica (Ask your MD about Evolution. Please!)
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To: Jim Noble
As long as there are significant numbers of bishops and priests who (secretly) affirm an heretical view of human sexuality, this problem cannot be resolved.

These Bishops are also the ones who were enamored of the feminist movement, and were like sails in the wind when it came to experimenting with the Liturgy. Fortunately, for us here in America, those men are either retired, or near to it. The younger Bishops who were more recently installed by Pope John Paul II, and, I daresay, will be, by Pope Benedict, seem to be more faithful to the Church's teachings, especially on sexuality.

John Paul II had a problem with folks accusing priests or Bishops of practicing homosexuality because of the tradition in which he grew up. It was common practice in Poland to accuse one's political enemies of being homosexual in order to advance one's own star in the ruling firmament. The Pope was very sensitive to accusations because of this ingrained idea, maybe to the detriment of we in America who DID have a problem with this. I believe that Pope Benedict will steer the Church everywhere, but especially here in America, back on course.

253 posted on 11/16/2006 2:01:57 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Palladin

Palms must be greased after all for God's sake. LOL!


254 posted on 11/16/2006 2:04:58 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: presidio9
Mostly that the only "men" that were enlisting in the priesthood were those who were attracted by the prospect of spending more time with men and boys.

Next, they had no problem endorsing homosexuals, so long as they didn't "practice" their sin, which pretty much consumes homosexuals' lifestyle sooner or later.

255 posted on 11/16/2006 2:06:20 PM PST by zerosix
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To: Palladin

Maybe "palms greased" wasn't the greatest metaphor in the world for the problem discussed.


256 posted on 11/16/2006 2:06:22 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Courdeleon02
The answer is easy, requiring celibacy for the priesthood means that the church has to settle for homosexual oriented individuals.

No, it doesn't. I have known many priest in my 53 years, and there is only one of whom I can say I might have had doubts about his sexual orientation. I have known a few men who left the priesthood to marry, unfortunately, a couple of them found that marriage wasn't the answer either. Again, I believe it is because they were not taught HOW to be chaste and the importance of that state for their vow of celibacy, and they thought that marriage would cure whatever longing they had.

The vast majority of priests I have known have been stable, content men. I will admit I'm prejudiced because my husband's brother is a priest, and has been for over 35 years.

257 posted on 11/16/2006 2:07:42 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Sould do the same thing Paul told the church in Corinth in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 when they had sexual immorality among them.


258 posted on 11/16/2006 2:14:38 PM PST by NoDRodee
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To: Maeve
Ugh. What a thread...

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It's pretty typical these days. Post an article which addresses a Catholic issue and out come the Protestants to criticize and object to all things Catholic. :)

259 posted on 11/16/2006 2:18:04 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Petronski; All
I meant that since Catholic priests are not allowed to marry or have male-female relationships, fewer 'straight' men are drawn to the clergy.

When the pool of candidates is so small, the void is filled with men with abnormal sexual habits.

Perhaps, if priest were allowed to have a wife or girlfriend they wouldn't have such a 'problem'.

260 posted on 11/16/2006 2:24:39 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: DCPatriot
When the pool of candidates is so small, the void is filled with men with abnormal sexual habits.

That's a filthy slur.

261 posted on 11/16/2006 2:26:09 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: Rum Tum Tugger
I was a cradle Catholic, an altar boy, and taught by the Sisters of Mercy, the Fransicans and the Jesuits.

Knock wood, I never had any abnormal experiences growing up with clergy.

262 posted on 11/16/2006 2:33:39 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Publius6961

If the Boy Scouts decided that only celibate (unmarried) guys could be scoutmasters, do you think we would end up with more gay scoutmasters, less, or the same?


263 posted on 11/16/2006 2:36:59 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Libertarians are more conservative than pubbies. Strictest interpretation of the constitution,)
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To: Petronski
Not my intent to slur any group.

Bottom line is that if the Church would allow priests to have physical relationships with women, the priesthood wouldn't have the reputation it enjoys today.

264 posted on 11/16/2006 2:39:36 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: DCPatriot
Bottom line is that if the Church would allow priests to have physical relationships with women, the priesthood wouldn't have the reputation it enjoys today.

That is your groundless conclusion.

265 posted on 11/16/2006 2:41:58 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: Publius6961
I can't resist, however, commenting on the tone and logic of the posts already made which suggest that voluntary celibacy turns an otherwise healthy heterosexual male not only into a homosexual, but also into a child abuser.

I can see how a homosexual, wracked by guilt, might join the priesthood with the intention of forswearing sex for the rest of his life as penance, only to give in later when tempted by adolescent pulchritude.

That's where the church is supposed to be vigilant. Many are called but few are chosen -- I believe that phrase was coined for just this situation.

266 posted on 11/16/2006 2:42:13 PM PST by ichabod1 ("For make benefit of Our Glorious Socializt Revolution")
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To: Publius6961
Reminds me of the educational establishment: if not enough students become competent under their care, redefine "competency" down!

So, the light just went on between your ears....congratulations!

267 posted on 11/16/2006 2:43:10 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: trisham
Post an article which addresses a Catholic issue and out come the Protestants...

And atheists.

268 posted on 11/16/2006 2:43:38 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: Campion
Even homosexuals who aren't going to molest boys and even those who have the strength to remain entirely chaste don't belong in the priesthood

To me, it's not even about whether they're strong enough (and how would anybody know?) but that it's intrinsically a disordered condition and not what you want in a leader, teacher, counselor, pastor.

269 posted on 11/16/2006 2:44:59 PM PST by ichabod1 ("For make benefit of Our Glorious Socializt Revolution")
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To: DCPatriot

Celibacy is the cause of pedophilia,...?

Whew, sure am glad I got married!

Duh!


270 posted on 11/16/2006 2:46:44 PM PST by incredulous joe (Alan Keyes is my homeboy!)
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To: Petronski
That is your groundless conclusion.

So Petronski....what's your solution to their image problem?

What's your conclusion?

I didn't mean to slur anybody or any group.

271 posted on 11/16/2006 2:48:47 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: incredulous joe

That's not what I meant...as I tried to establish late on in the thread.


272 posted on 11/16/2006 2:50:04 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Courdeleon02
How in the world can a celibate man give advise to a married couple. This is so ridiculous it is just frustrating to see the church so uncompromising on this issue.Is it any wonder why the churches are closing and are empty.It is ruled by celibate bureaucrats who have no life experience and are very immature men.
 
I agree.  When Christ comes again he should be married & h??ny so as to have "life experience"; that way he'll be mature enough to give advice to married couples. /sarc.
 
 
 
 


273 posted on 11/16/2006 2:53:42 PM PST by littlehouse36 (Said the Grasshopper to the Ant)
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To: Jim Noble
I'm also quite sure that a respectable occupation with lifetime security which relieved men from the "why aren't you married" question has ALWAYS been overpopulated by those burdened with SSA.

That may be true, but it seems like in the old days there were at least equally many Fathers who conducted scandalous affairs with women, many of them married parishioners who came to him for counseling.

274 posted on 11/16/2006 2:53:47 PM PST by ichabod1 ("For make benefit of Our Glorious Socializt Revolution")
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To: ichabod1
in the old days there were at least equally many Fathers who conducted scandalous affairs with women, many of them married parishioners

100 000 of those men are now married, and no longer functioning as priests.

It is an interesting sidelight that some bishops were much, much more harsh with priests who announced their intention to marry than they were with priests who destroyed the lives of little boys.

275 posted on 11/16/2006 2:58:01 PM PST by Jim Noble (To preserve the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity)
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To: RonF

Being a priest is not just a job its a way of life. It's not fair to either the family or the parish. You can disagree, but that's how we define our clergy. I submit that protestant ministers, particularly the married ones, are lesser than Catholic Priests for this reason. It's just a job to them.


276 posted on 11/16/2006 2:58:38 PM PST by ichabod1 ("For make benefit of Our Glorious Socializt Revolution")
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To: DCPatriot; wagglebee

No the problem wasn't celibacy, it was PINOs (priests in name only) NOT being celibate - DUH!

(Later pingout unless you get to it first, wag!)


277 posted on 11/16/2006 2:59:55 PM PST by little jeremiah (Jesus' message is not "BUY MORE STUFF"!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Translation: the closted homosexuals of the US Catholic church are trying to BUY a study which says homosexuals who attack boys are not performing a homosexual attack.
 
Totally agree.  They need something to quote in the NYT since they can't use the current leading sources (Goodbye Good Men, by Michael Rose & Rite of Sodomy by Randy Engel.) 
 
 
 
 
 
 


278 posted on 11/16/2006 3:01:30 PM PST by littlehouse36 (Said the Grasshopper to the Ant)
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To: DCPatriot
What's your conclusion?

A lot of people with no connection to the Roman Catholic Church love to throw mud at it.

279 posted on 11/16/2006 3:03:09 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: Petronski
A lot of people with no connection to the Roman Catholic Church love to throw mud at it.

Agreed...but not my intent here. I was born and raised a Catholic and credit that for my moral foundation.

280 posted on 11/16/2006 3:08:26 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: DCPatriot

Bottom line is that if the Church would allow priests to have physical relationships with women, the priesthood wouldn't have the reputation it enjoys today.

Maybe Pastor Teg Haggard should have been a married Catholic priest.  Yeah, that's it.

 


281 posted on 11/16/2006 3:09:53 PM PST by littlehouse36 (Said the Grasshopper to the Ant)
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To: DCPatriot
I was born and raised a Catholic and credit that for my moral foundation.

That's a great place to get one. But you've left the church, right? I mean, you've self-identified as an atheist, right?

I apologize if I have you confused with someone else.

282 posted on 11/16/2006 3:10:26 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: DCPatriot
When the pool of candidates is so small, the void is filled with men with abnormal sexual habits.

Read Michael Rose's book. The "pool of candidates" is not small, it's really rather large. The problem is that too many of the normal ones were chased away for being nasty things like "heterosexual," "manly," and "Catholic".

And the priesthood is hardly "filled" with men with abnormal sexual habits, though there are some.

Perhaps, if priest were allowed to have a wife or girlfriend they wouldn't have such a 'problem'

Christian men aren't permitted to have sex with their girlfriends, either, last time I checked.

283 posted on 11/16/2006 3:14:15 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Petronski
I've left the Church, yes. But you never stop being a Catholic.

I camped overnight on the Washington Monument grounds to see Pope John II...and hadn't attended Mass in years.

I claim to be an agostic because I have a hard time believing in heaven or an afterlife...but as I get closer to my end, I have doubts about my belief system.

284 posted on 11/16/2006 3:16:43 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: DCPatriot
...but as I get closer to my end, I have doubts about my belief system.

A sound instinct, in this case.

285 posted on 11/16/2006 3:17:27 PM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: ichabod1

I don't know what ministers or priests you have known, but I've known two or three Protestant clerics, and believe me it wasn't just a job to them.


286 posted on 11/16/2006 3:25:28 PM PST by RonF
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To: presidio9


EVIL! of Homosexual acts and Pedophilia


287 posted on 11/16/2006 3:37:09 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: TChris; DCPatriot; presidio9
If you're interested in facts, celibacy is not related causally to pedophilia.

It was Dr. Carol Shakeshaft of Hofstra University who got the goods on how many public school children that have been sexually abused by teachers. You can find out a lot about it by googling "Carol Shakeshaft" --- I found this: "What is more frightening is that these sexual abuse cases are relatively small in number and scope, when compared to the hundreds of thousands of children in the United States, who have been or are being sexually abused by professional educators over a similar time period. A study conducted for the Department of Education, Educator Sexual Misconduct, found that about 10% of all school children will be the target of some sort of physical sexual misconduct by a teacher during their K-12 grade education.

"Carol Shakeshaft, who authored the study, points out that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops found that about 10,667 children had been victimized by priests between 1950 and 2002. Based upon numerous studies which she has worked with, Shakeshaft extrapolated the number of school children suffering abuse by professional educators to about ten times that of the clergy!

And THIS

"One study of 225 cases of admitted sexual abuse in New York found that none of the cases had been reported to police and only 1 person lost their teaching license..."

And lots more...

288 posted on 11/16/2006 3:38:05 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Inquiring minds want to know.)
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To: DCPatriot
"I meant that since Catholic priests are not allowed to marry or have male-female relationships, fewer 'straight' men are drawn to the clergy."

Men are drawn to the clergy by the Grace of God. Catholic rules do not make them go astray. Evil does.

It's the Catholic Faith, the Eucharist, that keeps us practicing Catholics and faithful to the church albeit humanly flawed [just like our families!].

'The Imitation of Christ' by Thomas A.Kempis is awesome!
289 posted on 11/16/2006 3:50:25 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: RexBeach

How do you know the man hearing confession isn't 'buggering boys now or in the past?'
Well- I ASK him before going into the confessional, or even attending their mass!
Needless to say, they don't appreciate it.
Too damned bad if they're 'insulted'. If they're homosexual, they are not legitimate priests. Any priest who gets defensive, instead of understanding, I consider an imposter.
I think I have a right to ask if the holy rites he would perfom would be as null and void as his vows.

And it's not just about 'buggering boys'.
I don't want priests buggering grown men, or each other either!
If homosexuality is removed from the picture, the pedophilia issue AND the celibacy issue is-for the most part- solved.


290 posted on 11/16/2006 4:03:50 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; All
I was trying to say....very poorly I may add...that because men must give up sexual activity and man-woman relationships, many men of sound moral character forego the priesthood.

This has culled the pool of candidates and as a result, many men who fill this void have 'issues'.

291 posted on 11/16/2006 4:09:23 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: word_warrior_bob; presidio9
Pedophiles have a huge recidivism rate; twe now know they're the criminal category most resistant to rehabilitation.

Yet these sicktwisted personalities are frequently "kid-magnets," "Pied Pipers," experts at patiently gaining the trust of vulnerable boys and charming the socks off of parents. Thus their employers (churches of MANY denominations, youth groups, etc.) tried the psychological treatment route in the 60's and 70's because they really thought that (1) therapy could help them, and (b) the criminal prosecution route might re-traumatize their victims, who (they thought) should be offered counseling as well.

It was a disastrously bad policy, but very much in line with the "therapeutic society" movement which was very strong 30-40 years ago.

Why was the Catholic Church targeted for the lion's share of the legal and media prosecution in all this ugliess? Three reasons:


292 posted on 11/16/2006 4:09:29 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Inquiring minds want to know.)
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To: dcnd9

See #291. Thank you.


293 posted on 11/16/2006 4:10:47 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: ClearBlueSky
You ask a priest to his face if he's "buggering boys"...with no cause other than to satisfy your curiosity?

IMO, that's shameful.

294 posted on 11/16/2006 4:15:07 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: ClearBlueSky

>>>Well- I ASK him before going into the confessional, or even attending their mass!
Needless to say, they don't appreciate it.<<<

WHOA! That is the tough love method. Maybe if we all started asking these questions, some changes would be made!


295 posted on 11/16/2006 5:47:35 PM PST by Palladin ("Open a new window; open a new door; travel a new highway.")
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To: presidio9

They should take Origenus as THE example to emulate. To better fight the temptation of the flesh, this early Church father castrated himself. As fas as it is known, no abuse complaints were lodged againt him afterwards.


296 posted on 11/16/2006 5:48:53 PM PST by GSlob
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To: word_warrior_bob
You nailed it. Homosexual leanings happen very in development.

I know a shrink who's instructor resigned from the American Psychiatric Association after their 1974 San Fran convention when the gays were protesting outside.

He wrote the psychiatrsts who voted for this had a homosexual panic and the next thing they would say was schizophrenia was an alternate thought disorder.

297 posted on 11/16/2006 6:02:44 PM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: AmericaUnite

The position I stated in my post was the accepted reason for homosexuality until that political vote in 1974.

Now any psychiatrist who dares to treat homosexuality is treated as a loony by the media, the reason why there's a fairly large failure rate with the Jesus cure is that these psychological issues that lead to the homosexuality is not addressed.

My friend is producing a documentary called Sexually Dangerous about sex offenders/pedophiles, it's on Showtime's website as an upcoming attraction, etc.

Homosexuality is an abnormal behavior, just like many other abnormal behaviors, we all have something, the mangling of this issue is spitting in the face of reality/psychiatry/science, etc.


298 posted on 11/16/2006 6:25:43 PM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: rrrod
..Can we say "Keep the fags out" on FR or not?...

ROFL!... You know, it may seem harsh... but we start pushing back this Politically Correctness BS. Let's call it WHAT IT IS.

FAGS misunderstand sensitivity, sympathy, politeness for weakness. THEY, on the other hand come at you ready to finish you. They only care about one thing... Themselves.

And I am sick and tired of this :)

299 posted on 11/16/2006 6:36:45 PM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: DCPatriot

Actually, the cause in a word ... SODOMITES.

Secondary cause is many of these sodomites have been promoted to Bishop and Cardinal offering protection and continuance of this problem.


300 posted on 11/16/2006 6:52:38 PM PST by part deux
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