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US Catholic Church seeks to find root of priest sex abuse
AFP ^ | 11/16/06

Posted on 11/16/2006 9:54:57 AM PST by presidio9

The US Roman Catholic Church has asked a criminology school to delve into the darkest pages of its history by probing the causes of a priest sex abuse scandal.

At a meeting due to end Thursday in the eastern city of Baltimore, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops voted to disburse 335,000 dollars to fund the first three phases of a study by New York's John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

"It will be a groundbreaking study, never done before in the US, nor in the world," Bishop Gregory Aymond, who chairs the Committee for the Protection of Children and Young People, told AFP.

"We don't know what would come out of it, but we are going to tell the truth," said Aymond, of Austin, Texas.

In 2002, the John Jay College of Criminal Justice had made a list of complaints and pedophilia cases in the US Catholic Church since 1985, when one of the first scandals came to light with the case of a Louisiana priest.

The university will now look into the "social and historical context" of sex abuse to see if such cases are more frequent in the Church than in the rest of society, notably in schools and youth clubs, Aymond said.

The Church wants to "look at what is unique" in the priest sex abuse crisis, he said.

The first part of the study would be completed in 2008 and made public, although the names of suspected priests would be omitted.

In the second part, the university will evaluate the Church leadership's response to sex abuse cases.

"We want to see where we failed and made some mistakes, and learn from those who handled it well," Aymond said.

The study will also paint a psychological profile of pedophiliac priests by reviewing cases in treatment centers.

The review will aim to show "to what extent is a priest sexual abuser profile the same as the psychological profile of the non-priests who are sex offenders," Aymond said.

The university will also interview abuse victims and examine education at seminaries over the decades.

The majority of priests accused of sex abuse were trained in the 1960s and 1970s in seminaries where psychological tests and sexuality education have since been introduced.

A final phase of the study will make proposals on how to prevent sex abuse and help victims.

"Our goal is to ascertain the causes of the clergy sexual abuse crisis and if we need to change any method we have now," said Teresa Kettlekamp, the executive director of the bishops conference's Office of Child and Youth Protection, which was created in 2002, in the wake of the sex abuse scandal.

But the study would also be useful to schools and youth groups, Church officials said.

"The pathology of abusing children isn't unique; it's a societal problem," Kettlekamp said.

"We are hoping it will be a big, big help to the society in general," she said.


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To: PBRSTREETGANG
They're paying John Jay Criminal College $1,000,000 in three installments to tell them that they ordained homosexual priests?

I try very hard to avoid these threads, since the answer is obvious, and the irrational ones come out in droves, on both sides of the issue: both gays and anti-gays.

I can't resist, however, commenting on the tone and logic of the posts already made which suggest that voluntary celibacy turns an otherwise healthy heterosexual male not only into a homosexual, but also into a child abuser.

Rubbish.

51 posted on 11/16/2006 10:25:07 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: DCPatriot
The cause...in a word....CELIBACY!

Really?

Was Haggard, the homosexual protestant minister who just fell from grace, celibate?

52 posted on 11/16/2006 10:25:54 AM PST by It's me
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To: TChris
 

1 Corinthians 7:8 (New International Version)

 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.

53 posted on 11/16/2006 10:26:30 AM PST by littlehouse36 (Said the Grasshopper to the Ant)
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To: DCPatriot
Well, if celibacy wasn't a requirement for priesthood, it wouldn't be such a magnet for homosexuals and pedophiles.

Yeah, because homosexuals and pedophiles are naturally drawn to celibacy....

LOL

54 posted on 11/16/2006 10:26:45 AM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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To: presidio9

Unfortunately, Kettlekamp has a spotty history:

http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=6851


55 posted on 11/16/2006 10:26:51 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DCPatriot
Well, if celibacy wasn't a requirement for priesthood, it wouldn't be such a magnet for homosexuals and pedophiles.

Two comments. One is that the problem isn't "homosexuals and pedophiles" (as if they were two separate groups) ... it's almost exclusively homosexuals who are "ephebophiles" (molesters of pubescent and post-pubescent boys).

Second comment is that the solution is obviously to weed out the homosexuals. Even homosexuals who aren't going to molest boys and even those who have the strength to remain entirely chaste don't belong in the priesthood, an environment where they will be surrounded by men, and thus by temptations, at all times. It would be like having me sharing a house with a woman (or worse, women) to whom I am not married.

56 posted on 11/16/2006 10:27:11 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: TChris
Here's another: 1 Timothy 3
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

The phrase, "the husband of one wife," means that the candidate for bishop must not have more than one wife. If the intention was prescriptive, Paul would be contradicting Jesus, and himself, since he says in 1 Corinthians 7 that it is better for single people to remain unmarried.

1 Corinthians 7:8-9

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.


57 posted on 11/16/2006 10:28:14 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Petronski

LOL! Petronski, you are a gem.


58 posted on 11/16/2006 10:28:41 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ModelBreaker

Sorry, my post was meant for ALL


59 posted on 11/16/2006 10:28:59 AM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: keepitreal
I found it unreal that I needed to submit to a criminal background check to even be allowed to volunteer in the school,

That happens every where. You cannot volunteer in a public school without a background check either. Safety and insurance reasons.

60 posted on 11/16/2006 10:29:02 AM PST by It's me
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To: YOUGOTIT
The facts have already been collected please see the book: "Goodbye Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption into the Catholic Church" By Mike S. Rose. The investigation is there for all to read.

Rose caught a fair amount of flak from some of the people he describes, who said they were unfairly characterized, but I tend to think he mostly got it right.

The good news is that his book is a few years old, and some of the worst stuff he describes has been cleaned up, AFAIK.

61 posted on 11/16/2006 10:30:44 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: presidio9
Hi. We're the Catholic Church, and we have sinned. We have allowed a culture of homosexuality, coupled with a god complex, to flourish worldwide.

As a result, we'll...uh....umm....yeah, we'll DO A STUDY! Yeah, that's the ticket!! We'll spend hundreds of thousands of dollars studying what has already happened, while we carefully ignore what is currently happening.

We'll be using the Iraq Study Group as a model. Yes, we know "study group" sounds like a bunch of high schoolers cramming for the bio exam on Wednesday, but if you suckas will accept that, surely you'll buy this? Please send your donations to the US Bishops Council. We prefer cash.
62 posted on 11/16/2006 10:31:18 AM PST by blu (Save the cheerleader, save the world!)
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To: Aquinasfan
I think it's also true that "gayness" is a modern invention, no more than 120 years old.

I'm quite sure that SSA has always existed. I'm also quite sure that a respectable occupation with lifetime security which relieved men from the "why aren't you married" question has ALWAYS been overpopulated by those burdened with SSA.

The difference, now, is that several generations of men with SSA have been conditioned to affirm the proposition, "This is who I AM", as opposed to "This is what I am tempted to DO".

Men who affirm the former proposition cannot function honestly as RC priests, but since a lot of them are in that line of work, enormous problems have been engendered.

My understanding of the CCC is that it still affirms the "this is what I am tempted to DO" analysis of SSA, but the USCCB bishops are constantly flirting with the "this is who (I) they ARE" model.

As long as there are significant numbers of bishops and priests who (secretly) affirm an heretical view of human sexuality, this problem cannot be resolved.

The "modern" view of SSA, in an ecclesial context, is actually an organized, major heresy. Like all the other Christian heresies, the belief in this key "knowledge" looms larger and larger in the minds of its proponents until it becomes central to their being.

And, like all the other major Christian heresies, it is going to have to be extirpated from the Body of Christ before the Body can return to health.

63 posted on 11/16/2006 10:31:44 AM PST by Jim Noble (To preserve the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity)
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To: DCPatriot
Well, if celibacy wasn't a requirement for priesthood, it wouldn't be such a magnet for homosexuals and pedophiles.

Celibacy means NO SEX AT ALL.

Those who are paracticing homosexuals are not celibate.


Why is that so difficult to understand?

64 posted on 11/16/2006 10:31:55 AM PST by It's me
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To: DCPatriot
Well, if celibacy wasn't a requirement for priesthood, it wouldn't be such a magnet for homosexuals and pedophiles.

Someone I believe asked for a reasoned argument.
That is the most childish circular reasoning I have heard in a long time.

Eliminate celibacy, not devise a way to keep out the criminally inclined...

Brilliant!

Reminds me of the educational establishment: if not enough students become competent under their care, redefine "competency" down!

65 posted on 11/16/2006 10:32:34 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: presidio9

Can we say "Keep the fags out" on FR or not?


66 posted on 11/16/2006 10:33:16 AM PST by rrrod
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To: conservativecorner
I think I have it. You ordain a bunch of homos.

Exactly. Pretty simple really, stop letting poofs become priests.

67 posted on 11/16/2006 10:34:35 AM PST by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: conservativecorner

Hey, no fair, you can't get the right answer on the first post!

The church however has had over 1,000 years of this "problem".


68 posted on 11/16/2006 10:34:50 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: pbear8

Yep, thats it. Great book. Should be required reading.


69 posted on 11/16/2006 10:36:10 AM PST by bella1 (Support the Minuteman Project.)
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To: presidio9

Reason: Homosexuality.

Ya know ... those Village People songs, "In the Navy", "YMCA" and the like. They shoulda had one that was "In the Seminary".


70 posted on 11/16/2006 10:36:21 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Never Forget / Giuliani 2008)
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To: Publius6961

I see your thinking, but might we be confusing cause and effect?


71 posted on 11/16/2006 10:37:02 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: DCPatriot
"Well, if celibacy wasn't a requirement for priesthood, it wouldn't be such a magnet for homosexuals and pedophiles"

this is missing the boat, and the entire fleet.....

homosexual men and pedophiles in general seek out cultures where they will be near their prey....

that's why you find them in schools, boys' clubs, boy scouts, youth groups, etc...

they seek the normalcy and socially acceptance that goes along with such groups....

religon, community service,teaching....all "good" and therefore above reproach....

once they're "in" they can take advantage of the situation...

72 posted on 11/16/2006 10:37:09 AM PST by cherry
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To: DCPatriot
The cause...in a word....CELIBACY!

You spelled "HOMOSEXUALITY" wrong.

BTW, I once met Ted Sturgeon. He lived in an old house in the hills behind Dodger Stadium.

73 posted on 11/16/2006 10:38:15 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been suspended or banned.)
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To: presidio9

Translation: the closted homosexuals of the US Catholic church are trying to BUY a study which says homosexuals who attack boys are not performing a homosexual attack.


74 posted on 11/16/2006 10:38:15 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: All

Um........... I guess ordinance of priests who may marry at some point is out of order here?

A family life could perhaps be more important to a young man - even a religiously devoted young man - than living a life of abstinence. The thought of family life, a loving wife and an adoring group of children may attract those who practice normalcy in life and in sexual matters.

I believe abstinence may offer isolation and safety those who are impaired regarding normal family life - a teaching they are expected to impress among congregants - when they themselves are denied it.


75 posted on 11/16/2006 10:40:33 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: conservativecorner
I think I have it. You ordain a bunch of homos.

Ya think?

Please submit invoice.

76 posted on 11/16/2006 10:45:09 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The GOP, party of the markets, knows little about the marketing of candidates.)
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To: longtermmemmory
..Translation: the closeted homosexuals of the US Catholic church are trying to BUY a study which says homosexuals who attack boys are not performing a homosexual attack....

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y!... The "old switcheroo!"

Don't forget that we are all too STUPID to see thought their moves.... :)

77 posted on 11/16/2006 10:46:51 AM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: presidio9
Piss poor personnel selection.
Screen applicants or those with a calling for psychological suitably.
Treat them like you would treat an applicant for a better quality police establishment.
78 posted on 11/16/2006 10:51:16 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("I find that PC BS makes me very PO'ed".)
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To: rrrod
Can we say "Keep the fags out" on FR or not?

What a dumb question! Of course you cannot say, "Keep fags out" on this site. That is hate speech of the very worst sort.

In fact, I dare say "Keep the Fags out," reveals a deep-seated homophobic gender binary fixation.

If you say "Keep the Fags out," one or two more times, that's it for you, homophobe. I am going to the Moderator.
"Keep the Fags out," indeed.

79 posted on 11/16/2006 10:52:09 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The GOP, party of the markets, knows little about the marketing of candidates.)
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To: imintrouble

You are looking at the negative side of celibacy. The positive side is what the Lord often calls for, which is to drop the plow, drop the fishing, and following him.


80 posted on 11/16/2006 10:52:25 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: longtermmemmory
And people like Ted Kennedy can BUY themselves an annulment instead of a divorce...

sw

81 posted on 11/16/2006 10:54:24 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: presidio9

http://www.riteofsodomy.com/

"The homosexual legacy of William Cardinal O’Connell and Francis Cardinal Spellman has followed us into the 21st century. We are currently on the third generation of clerical homosexuals and pederasts who can be directly tied to Spellman and O’Connell and other homosexual prelates of the early 20th century…and there will be many more generations of clerical homosexuals and pederasts to follow unless Rome acts to disinherit the heirs of perversion from the Catholic priesthood and religious life."


82 posted on 11/16/2006 10:56:42 AM PST by littlehouse36 (Said the Grasshopper to the Ant)
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To: presidio9

Good news I'd say. Time to get some facts in the situation.


83 posted on 11/16/2006 10:57:03 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: conservativecorner
I see your thinking, but might we be confusing cause and effect?

In my mind, not in the slightest!
But I believe I have an open mind.
You choose, or propose a third hypothesis.

Hypothesis #1:
Cause: A normal healthy male joins the Church, which requires voluntary celibacy.
Effect: Celibacy effects his conversion into a homosexual, unable to resist sexually abusing boys.

Hypothesis #2:
Cause: A male with homosexual tendencies joins the Church, which requires voluntary celibacy.
Effect: He succumbs to the tendencies of his nature and is unable to resist sexually abusing boys.

Occam's Razor makes the more likely hypothesis crystal clear, as to cause and effect.

Unless you can devise a third reasonable hypothesis.
I was addressing specifically the absurd notion that celibacy causes the inability to resist abusing boys.

84 posted on 11/16/2006 10:57:12 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: conservativecorner
I think I have it. You ordain a bunch of homos.

And then cover for them when they start using their position of trust to prey on their charges.

There is only one way to stop the spread of corruption in ANY organization. Hunt down the bad apples, out them publicly and purge them from your ranks.

85 posted on 11/16/2006 10:58:16 AM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: littlehouse36

God love St. Paul, but I think the unmarried man and woman is anxious about getting some action, not about the affairs of the Lord. I think getting married and having a family brings more people's thoughts to spirituality and the hereafter.


86 posted on 11/16/2006 10:59:56 AM PST by RonF
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To: Aquinasfan
For example, there are two verses that contradict the idea that celibacy is intrinsically evil:

I didn't say that celibacy is intrinsically evil.

Matthew 19:12

"For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

1 Corinthians 7:8-9

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

(Emphasis added)

Perhaps the endings of both passages should have received greater consideration before celibacy was made a requirement--as far as I know--for the Catholic priesthood. There seem to be some who are not able to meet that requirement. If the Holy Scriptures make exception for those, as they appear to, why not the Catholic Church?

I don't presume to make the decisions for the CC, especially since I'm not Catholic, but that is the subject of the thread and of this inquiry. If they're truly looking for answers, I suggest taking a harder look at celibacy.

87 posted on 11/16/2006 11:00:34 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: DCPatriot
Well, if celibacy wasn't a requirement for priesthood, it wouldn't be such a magnet for homosexuals and pedophiles.

This statement makes no sense. Celibacy is a magnet for homosexuals and pedophiles?

88 posted on 11/16/2006 11:05:27 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: The Old Hoosier
Yeah, those Catholics should learn something from the fact that schoolteachers and protestant ministers and Anglican priests never molest kids. Oh, wait...

And don't forget married men and women...Oh, wait!

89 posted on 11/16/2006 11:06:46 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: TChris

The point is that we Catholics believe that celibacy is just as noble a vocation as marriage. IWO, some are called to be celibate (and not all are priests or nuns).

Simply because some disturbed individuals, for whatever reasons (maybe using the Priesthood as an escape from their deeper issues), have violated their own celibacy doesn't mean celibacy in of itself is bad. Nor that it shouldn't be a discipline in the Church.

Many critics (wrongly) state that since it's a requirement for Priests, it's against Scripture. It's not, since being a Priest, and thus everything that goes along with it, is voluntary. Thus, to say that being a celibate Priest is immoral or somehow contrary to God's Plan for all humanity is akin to saying someone who is voluntarily celibate without being a Priest is also going against God's Plan.

Which is foolish; unless one is going to suggest a "good Christian" should NOT be celibate before marriage.


90 posted on 11/16/2006 11:07:10 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: presidio9
The answer is easy, requiring celibacy for the priesthood means that the church has to settle for homosexual oriented individuals. Having more homosexuals in priestly positions only increases the probability that more illicit homosexual acts will result, even though the vast majority of priests will not commit sexual acts.You need only a few to discredit the entire priesthood.Celibacy has its roots in medieval thinking and has no origin in early Christianity.The Catholic Church had better smarten up or it will be destroyed by celibacy.
91 posted on 11/16/2006 11:08:49 AM PST by Courdeleon02
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To: TChris
Perhaps the endings of both passages should have received greater consideration before celibacy was made a requirement--as far as I know--for the Catholic priesthood.

Celibacy is the reason why I didn't enter the priesthood. It's not like Latin Rite Catholics don't know that celibacy isn't a requirement for the priesthood. Those who can accept it should accept it.

There seem to be some who are not able to meet that requirement. If the Holy Scriptures make exception for those, as they appear to, why not the Catholic Church?

This is not an infallible teaching, but a disciplinary teaching, which is why Eastern Rite Catholics are, in fact, permitted to marry. Eastern Rite bishops, however, must be unmarried.

As a practical matter, is far more difficult for married priests to minister to their parishes than it is for single priests, as Paul intimates.

I don't presume to make the decisions for the CC, especially since I'm not Catholic, but that is the subject of the thread and of this inquiry. If they're truly looking for answers, I suggest taking a harder look at celibacy.

If most of the abuse victims were women or girls, you might have a point. But, in fact, 90% of the victims were teenage boys, indicating that most of the abusers were homosexuals, not frustrated heterosexuals.

92 posted on 11/16/2006 11:10:40 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: FourtySeven
Thus, to say that being a celibate Priest is immoral or somehow contrary to God's Plan for all humanity is akin to saying someone who is voluntarily celibate without being a Priest is also going against God's Plan.

I never meant to imply that celibacy is immoral. I'm simply addressing the question raised in the article.

The point is, the doctrine of celibacy has consequences. Whether it's right or wrong inherently is beside the point, in that context. It is a factor in this problem, IMO.

93 posted on 11/16/2006 11:11:54 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: RobbyS

I think you have misread my intent.

Negative side - to choose to marry and have a family?

It is an impossible choice for some and oppression of their sexuality through abstinence can lead to psychological damage.

I am not speaking of homosexuality here at all but of normal heterosexual males - who are also completely devoted to serving their church.


94 posted on 11/16/2006 11:12:10 AM PST by imintrouble
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Catholic bump.


95 posted on 11/16/2006 11:12:19 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TChris

Bingo! Paul was wise to caution about people who could not control their passion. I am afraid the passion of some Catholic priests finds some strange and unfortunate outlets. A health married relationship might be a better way.


96 posted on 11/16/2006 11:13:16 AM PST by CobraJet
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To: Courdeleon02
The Catholic Church had better smarten up or it will be destroyed by celibacy

You are joking, right? If the people who took the vow of celibacy voluntarily actually kept the promise, this wouldn't have been a scandal.

97 posted on 11/16/2006 11:14:08 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: All

Additionally I disagree completely that repression of an active sexual life can "change" a heterosexual male into a homosexual male - that is incorrect and misleading.

What repressed sexuality can do is cause psychological problems for a heterosexual male, however the church has shown it to be a problem - but an insignificant one.

I cannot justify the request for "non-marriage" for priests however, but that is my belief only and I don't expect anyone here to agree.


98 posted on 11/16/2006 11:15:11 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: FourtySeven
Celibacy can't be defended. Christ did not require it. It has no basis in early Christianity. Indeed for the first 1,000 years of Christianity celibacy was not a requirement to be a priest.How in the world can a celibate man give advise to a married couple. This is so ridiculous it is just frustrating to see the church so uncompromising on this issue.Is it any wonder why the churches are closing and are empty.It is ruled by celibate bureaucrats who have no life experience and are very immature men.
99 posted on 11/16/2006 11:15:55 AM PST by Courdeleon02
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To: presidio9

I am really hopeful that this study will illuminate the fact that there is a high incidence of sexual abuse in the schools. I do not believe that the church has a higher incidence than the society. We are a sick society with everything being tied to sex. I am grateful for any study that brings truth to the discussion. But it is too bad the dems are in power because the liberal mindset says we have to understand the violator rather than stop him/her. We shall see how this proceeds but I am glad they are trying it. That must be the influence of the new Pope.


100 posted on 11/16/2006 11:18:42 AM PST by sorrisi
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