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Freeper exclusive: Weapons cache demolition causes many to be sick from exposure in Baghdad
private e-mails | 11/16/2006 | RaceBannon

Posted on 11/16/2006 4:54:12 PM PST by RaceBannon

I just received a private e-mail from someone I know from a Marine website who has family in Iraq. There has been a weapons cache explosion that caused many, hundreds of people to be exposed to some chemical that was present in the weapons.

TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bushlied; bushtried; chemicalweapons; chems; iraq; nbc; rehirerumsfeld; rumint; weaponscache; wmd
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To: Zhangliqun

" It could be an issue of not wanting to reveal sources and methods."

By who? I don't really understand what you're referring to.

My point was that a four day news blackout on an incident that has left hundreds of people sick seems improbable to me. Even if US authorities could persuade the US media to go along with that, I can't see why the local media wouldn't be aware, able to talk to people in the affected area and reporting it.

351 posted on 11/17/2006 11:29:05 AM PST by Canard
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To: Canard

I meant that as a possible explanation why we're not hearing anything from the Pentagon.

But as for the reporters on the scene, who would they report it to that would actually be interested in telling a story that might make Bush look good -- Al Jazeera? CNN? Remember, we're dealing with an American and global media that now regularly alters photographs. So that the media in Iraq might report only that a weapons cache was blown up without going into further detail about anyone getting sick -- or subtly framing the story to appear as if the sicknesses are a separate/unrelated incident -- is hardly beyond the pail for them.

I agree it's a bit strange, but not quite as far fetched as you think.

353 posted on 11/17/2006 11:41:41 AM PST by Zhangliqun (The fetal position has yet to scare a bully.)
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To: Zhangliqun


354 posted on 11/17/2006 11:45:49 AM PST by OldCorps
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To: Zhangliqun
Sorry but I think an I-told-you-so is VERY MUCH in order. The Democrats called the President a liar and used this accusation weaken our coalition support and reduced our ability to form another coalition when we need to go into Iran.

355 posted on 11/17/2006 12:13:57 PM PST by Go Gordon (I don't know what your problem is, but I bet its hard to pronounce)
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To: Go Gordon

I also forgot to mention in that post that they have redefined treason as just "dissent".

356 posted on 11/17/2006 12:49:40 PM PST by Zhangliqun (The fetal position has yet to scare a bully.)
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To: Zhangliqun; Brad's Gramma; mystery-ak; ohioWfan

Continuing prayer bump for the safety and protection of our troops.

357 posted on 11/17/2006 1:39:46 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: RaceBannon
Ran this by a buddy in the Air Force (serving stateside) and he was skeptical. Had this to say:

Of course, it SOUNDS scary at first, but I would want a few more bits of info. For example, 10th (Brokeback) Mountain Div. is all over, including Tallil/ Camp Adder, so was it thier UXO guys or what? With AF guys, they almost never detonate stuff in place, but account for and record ordinance. When anything unusual occurs, samples are taken and NBC gear is broken out immeadiatly. They usually carry gas masks on them, and it all sounds kind of bogus to me.

358 posted on 11/17/2006 3:01:34 PM PST by SeenTheLight
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To: SeenTheLight
In some cases now we are just acting as advisor's on missions. The Iraqi Army may have been in charge of the demolition of the cache or they could have at least given some input into the operation.

Also concerning reporters, there are hardly any over there now. An article on states that the number of embedded reporters is below 20. Might have something to do with major media figures getting hurt. And of course the horrendous negatively biased reports they have been filing in the past.

359 posted on 11/17/2006 3:19:18 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: AliVeritas

Thanks, AliVeritas!

360 posted on 11/17/2006 3:53:28 PM PST by saveliberty (Dem Diplomacy= Money +Appeasement + Cut and Run // Dem Economy = More Taxes+ More Poverty)
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To: saveliberty

Didn't they hide all this info from us during the Gulf War?

361 posted on 11/17/2006 5:56:41 PM PST by Moolah
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To: SeenTheLight; All
I understand the scepticism.

Here is the latest from my source:

I haven't talked to his wife further... will call her today. She said that XxxXXx called her the evening after their morning raid and discovery of the weapons cache and HUGE explosion and possible WMD detonation. He told her that the initial tests DID in fact come back positive, but he didn't say for what type of agent. Again, with all of the symptoms in the unit and civilians, it HAD to be something to it... not just a coincidence! I'll keep you posted!
362 posted on 11/17/2006 6:03:09 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: RaceBannon

Ping me when you hear more.

363 posted on 11/17/2006 6:09:03 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; AlaskaErik; ...


364 posted on 11/17/2006 6:13:28 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: DoughtyOne

Since incineration is the preferred method of destroying stockpiles of WMD's, the resulting explosion was a blessing in disguise in some ways.

365 posted on 11/17/2006 6:16:06 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: justa-hairyape
Here is the link to the article about the very low number of embedded reporters currently working in Iraq. At the end of September there were only 11.

Military unfairly blamed for embed problem

366 posted on 11/17/2006 6:23:18 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: freema

Thanks. I have heard a thing yet either. I must admit that my son is very good at keeping his mouth shut.

367 posted on 11/17/2006 6:29:15 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: armymarinemom

Aggravating little snots that way, aren't they ; )

368 posted on 11/17/2006 6:39:47 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

I hate it when he does that. Phone rings, son says "Have you seen anything on the news" I say "no, what's going on?" he says "I can't tell ya". I know where gray hair comes from, my snotty sons.

369 posted on 11/17/2006 6:46:40 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: VaMarVet

"I can't pardon you. Attitudes resembling an ostrich with his head in the sand are getting our young, best and brightest killed in Iraq. It takes a ground truth to be able to plan the road ahead. Living in denial provides a false ground truth that foreshadows more of the same…"

I have a question for you. How many total forces are there in Iraq, including our forces and all coalition forces?

370 posted on 11/17/2006 6:59:03 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: justa-hairyape; Canard; RaceBannon
MND-B Soldiers seize 123 weapons caches during ‘Operation Commando Hunter’

By Staff Sgt. Angela McKinzie, 2nd BCT PAO, 10th Mtn. Div.

Oct 26, 2006, 08:12

Blackanthem Military News, BAGHDAD, Iraq – Multi-National Division – Baghdad Soldiers continue to find weapons caches as part of Operation Commando Hunter.

The Soldiers from 4th Battalion, 31st Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, seized 55 weapons caches Oct. 14-20, bringing the total to 123 caches seized in the area near Yusufiyah, which is located 20 miles southwest of Baghdad.

The 55 additional caches consisted of an AK-47, 53,000 7.62mm AK-47 rounds, 4,000 14.5 mm anti-aircraft rounds, 12 23mm rounds, seven 90mm recoilless rifle rounds, 100 pounds of artillery propellant, 100 pounds of plastic explosive, 265 pounds of home-made explosives, a mortar tube, 82 60mm mortar rounds, nine 105mm artillery rounds, 104 120mm mortar rounds, 17 82mm mortar rounds, ten 130mm artillery rounds, 40 pressure plates, 97 directional charges, a ready-made improvised-explosive device, 17 armor-piercing IEDs, two rocket-propelled-grenade launchers and various bomb-making materials.

Operation Commando Hunter is a 2nd BCT, 10th Mtn. Div. operation intended to deny the terrorists sanctuary near Yusufiyah, south of Baghdad.


Air Force F-16s provided close-air support to troops in contact with anti-Iraqi forces near Al Yusufiyah and Fayyad. - CENTAF Airpower Summary for Oct. 24


U.S. seizes plant, once an insurgent haven

Troops' fortification of power facility comes during push to rid small Sunni towns of rebels.

Josh White / Washington Post

YUSUFIYAH, Iraq -- When U.S. troops effortlessly occupied an enormous power plant that had been used by insurgents, they found blankets littering the steel risers, one room with the air conditioning running and a pot of tea ready to pour, and machine-gun cartridge cases strewn about.

They saw cages -- one containing a pair of shoes and what appeared to be human feces -- on the bottom floor, what U.S. commanders said they believe is an indication that prisoners had been held there and possibly tortured.

The power plant is a half-finished relic. Though it never came close to being operational, it was a major target for the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, because of its long-standing use as a transient base for insurgent fighters. Its smokestack juts high above the horizon, and its beautiful vistas of the lush Euphrates River valley belie the sometimes chaotic battlefield below.

The move to take the plant comes amid an aggressive operation to push the insurgents out of a haven that has existed for years. U.S. officials said that the area's string of small rural Sunni towns has played host to leaders such as the late Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and that teams of insurgents continue to intimidate the local populace while attacking U.S. patrol bases. Soldiers at the bases, which have been plunked down right on the edge of the most hostile areas, are charged with rooting out the insurgents and winning over the local people, a task they acknowledge is not going to be easy.


The Pentagon has released yet another mysterious video allegedly discovered in April by US forces in a hideout in the Al-Yusufiyah neighborhood of southern Baghdad. The video portrays "Terror Mastermind" Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi acting in a "foolish" and "incompetent" fashion. He appears "confused" on how to handle a US M-249 squad automatic weapon (SAW), which every US serviceman learns from day one.


U.N. inspectors wear out their welcome at one Iraqi plant Director lashes out at U.S., rejects report of new construction

John F. Burns, New York Times News

Sunday, December 1, 2002

(12-01) 04:00 PST Al Yusufiyah, Iraq -- After the first three days of international weapons inspections, Iraqi officials at suspect sites have already established a pattern sharply different from the hostility that prevailed during inspections from 1991 to 1998. They have been cooperative, have smiled a lot and have been genial, mostly, to reporters who have followed the U.N. inspection teams to the 11 sites visited so far.

But the pattern broke down on Saturday, at least as far as the smiles and the geniality were concerned, when the inspectors arrived in a drizzling rain at Al Furat, an industrial plant outside this town about 20 miles southwest of Baghdad.

The Iraqi military officer who is the plant's director general, Brig. Samir Ibrahim Abbas, had some irritated things to say about the inspectors interfering with the plant's work, along with much harsher words about the United States, which has named the plant as one where Iraq appears to have been preparing to resume work on developing nuclear weapons.

Last month, after President Bush issued one of his bluntest warnings of American military action if President Saddam Hussein persists in secret efforts to acquire banned weapons, the White House circulated satellite photographs of Al Furat with an arrow pointing to one of the sprawling buildings on the site.

A notation said new construction on the building appeared to signify an effort to revive the plant's past efforts -- admitted by Iraq in the mid-1990s -- to develop gas centrifuges required for enriching uranium, one of the steps it would have to take to build a nuclear arsenal.


371 posted on 11/17/2006 7:26:35 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: RaceBannon

Did a little research today and wondered if the released agents could be related to tricothecene mycotoxins. Don't know how to do links, etc, since I just registered, but my search started with a link from free republic to global using the symptoms of vomiting, rash, wmd. Various forms of this mycotoxin can be created, I guess, but what stood out were the symptoms of nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, skin irritations and unlike most microbial toxins, it can be absorbed through the skin (the sticky residue you mentioned). From other searches, it seems the Russians did testing in Laos in the 70's and in Afghanistan in 79 and possibly later. Also found references that similar stuff may have been used by Iraq in the Iraq/Iran war. Other known WMD's like anthrax, ricin, mustard gas, etc. didn't appear to have all the symptoms you mentioned and in the appropriate time frame. There also seems to be a variety of these mycotoxins which may have more (or less) severe symptoms. Best way I could understand this type of agent was a really nasty mold on steroids. Goodness knows how it would act if mixed with other "things".

Anywho, for others who are way more knowledgeable in this field than myself, please comment on/correct my theory.

372 posted on 11/17/2006 7:27:53 PM PST by Girlene
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To: freema; armymarinemom

Ping to my post #371. Only speculation at this point.

373 posted on 11/17/2006 7:29:54 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
I think if it were that drastic we would have received some word by now.
374 posted on 11/17/2006 7:46:18 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: RaceBannon

Bump for update.

375 posted on 11/17/2006 9:18:00 PM PST by angelsonmyside
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To: Girlene
Here is a link to a 2002 unclassified report concerning Gulf War Illness. The report looks into all the possible release event of Chemical and Biological agents that occurred during the original Persian Gulf War. Perhaps we can learn something that is relavent to this current rumored event and potential future events. In particular it talks about munitions demolitions that released agents. It is a long report.

Persian Gulf War Illness Task Force Intelligence Update

376 posted on 11/18/2006 1:18:20 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
That CIA report I linked above contains quite a bit of relevant info. For example this part from Appendix C might be applicable to what was rumored to occur in Iraq this past week especially concerning exposure and strength of the agent. Excerpt follows.

Chemical Agent Releases

On the basis of estimates of release amounts, computer modeling, and distance from US troops, we assess that only the Khamisiyah Pit release probably exposed US troops to low levels of chemical agents. This minimal exposure can be attributed to several factors:

Most chemical munitions were missed by Coalition aerial bombing. Iraq made a significant effort to avoid the destruction of its chemical agents to preserve its military options and to avoid contaminating its own troops and civilians. Iraq’s efforts included storage of chemical weapons in the open and in standard bunkers, dispersal from the main CW facility at Al Muthanna, and open burial of bulk agent storage containers. As a result, only about 8 percent of the over 700 tons of chemical agent and chemicals UNSCOM found in chemical weapons or bulk containers was released as a result of Coalition bombing.

Low nerve agent purity. Although Iraqi mustard agent was relatively pure, Iraq’s more toxic nerve agents were only about 60 percent pure when produced and rapidly degraded such that, by the time of release, the purity varied from 50 percent to less than 15 percent.

Less toxic binary munitions. Most of Iraq’s Gulf war–era nerve agent was kept in binary form. Iraqi binary munitions contained only relatively nontoxic alcohols into which a second chemical would have to be manually added before forming toxic nerve agents within the munition.

Chemical agent neutralization and burning. Only a small proportion of the chemical agent released from Iraqi munitions damaged by Coalition action actually entered the atmosphere. Laboratory testing indicates roughly half of the agent released from damaged munitions is retained by, or neutralized in, crates and soil. Chemical agents subjected to fire will burn or otherwise break down—causing anywhere from 95 to more than 99 percent of the agent to degrade, according to field tests and computer modeling.

Dispersion and environmental degradation. The great distance of most storage locations from US troops allowed significant time for the chemical agent to disperse and degrade in the environment.

Winds were not always blowing toward US troops. Chemical agents are carried by winds, and during the Gulf war, the prevailing wind blew from the south, east, or west—generally away from US troops—as often as it did toward troops. For example, the Khamisiyah Bunker 73 release did not expose US troops—some only several kilometers away at the time—because winds were blowing from the southwest away from troop locations.

377 posted on 11/18/2006 2:11:14 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: armymarinemom

Yeah, if you look real close at mine, you can see their names engraved on each gray hair.

378 posted on 11/18/2006 3:49:31 AM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: TexKat; armymarinemom

There's no telling.

379 posted on 11/18/2006 4:07:22 AM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: justa-hairyape; Canard; RaceBannon


Nov 17, 2006, 09:55

Blackanthem Military News, BAGHDAD, Iraq – Coalition Forces detained five suspected terrorists and destroyed a small building containing a weapons cache while conducting a raid in Yusufiyah Friday.

The weapons cache consisted of machine guns, grenades, ammunition magazines and armor piercing ammunition.

The destruction of this cache reduces the ability of the terrorist network to operate and increases the safety of all Iraqi citizens, Coalition and Iraqi forces.

380 posted on 11/18/2006 6:51:48 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: RaceBannon

BTTT I love FRee Republic! Thanks Race...

381 posted on 11/18/2006 9:03:43 AM PST by Libertina
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To: armymarinemom
Good morning.
"I know where gray hair comes from, my snotty sons.'

My mom was home from work one day in 1968 when the doorbell rang.

She opened it to find two Air Force officers looking down at some documents.

One looked up and said, "Oh, you're not Mrs. Walker."

Mr. and Mrs Walker were a black couple a couple of doors down the block and they were there to inform her that he had been recently been KIA.

Mom slammed the door and screamed for a while. A neighbor told me a couple of years later that Mrs. Walker started screaming not long after my mom did.

Michael Frazier
382 posted on 11/18/2006 9:27:05 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
That is a lot worse than the occasional driver who uses your driveway to turn around or the Red Cross who called her with an "urgent" message that they needed money.
383 posted on 11/18/2006 11:34:44 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: RaceBannon

WMD, what a thought, gee the left will ignore this.

384 posted on 11/18/2006 2:36:10 PM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: justa-hairyape
Thanks for the link and excerpt. In your link, there is a mention of trichothecene mycotoxin production/research in Iraq. The T-2 mycotoxin, or more commonly known as yellow rain, is the only bio-weapon to have been used in the past (in southeast Asia and Afghanistan by the Russians). Futher digging into Gulf War syndrome/mycotoxin came up with some interesting results. I found several references to an Iraqi missile detonation near a US military camp in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm which produced symptoms of mycotoxicosis. In other words, some of our guys may have been exposed to WMD's back in Desert Storm. Other references posed that Gulf War syndrome may be related to T-2 mycotoxin exposure as well as other possible agents.

One last note, T-2 is extremely stable to heat and ultraviolet light and requires heating to 1500 deg. F. for 30 minutes to inactivate. I'd never heard of this stuff before. Whadya think?
385 posted on 11/18/2006 4:39:20 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene
Thanks for the additional info. I have heard reports that the 'Gulf War Syndrome' was also potentially a communicable condition. Supposedly relatives of the infected had come down with similar symptoms (Joyce Riley). That characteristic would better fit a biological type of weapon. I do not think we have been given a complete description of the symptoms of those potentially affected earlier in the week. So it is guess work at this point. Perhaps we can get a detailed description of the symptoms of those infected relayed by our third party source ?

It is probably not wise to explore conspiratorial aspects of this situation, but avoiding another Gulf War Syndrome issue (with all its legal ramifications) would be a legitimate motive for the 'Black Suits' to deny the presence of WMD, which of course will seem to be a ludicrous concept to anyone who reads that CIA report concerning Gulf War Syndrome in the Persian Gulf War.

386 posted on 11/18/2006 4:49:11 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: armymarinemom; brazzaville

Or the Red Cross calling......

because they want your son to give blood.

387 posted on 11/18/2006 7:12:20 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Moolah

People got very sick after the Gulf War and the US was blamed.

388 posted on 11/19/2006 3:17:27 AM PST by saveliberty (Dem Diplomacy= Money +Appeasement + Cut and Run // Dem Economy = More Taxes+ More Poverty)
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To: RaceBannon

IA captures large IED and weapons cache
Special Iraqi Army Forces captured a large improvised explosive device and weapons cache located inside a mosque during a raid Nov. 16 near the Baghdad International Airport to capture IED emplacers.Coalition forces observed several persons placing an IED, but were unable to capture them before they fled into a nearby mosque compound.

Coalition forces cordoned the compound while an Iraqi force with coalition advisers entered the compound, consisting of a mosque and two houses, in search of the emplacers. Iraqi forces were unable to locate the individuals, but uncovered multiple hidden storage areas containing a large cache of IEDs, weapons and explosives which are used in attacks that injure and kill Iraqi civilians, Iraqi Security Forces and Coalition Forces. Weapons and material were found in the houses, the compound area and the mosque.

Iraqi forces found two vehicles prepared for use as car-bombs, as well as pre-made IEDs, to include a suicide-vest.

Continued search of the compound revealed several anti-tank mines, electrical initiation systems for IEDs, a mortar system and ammunition, several assault rifles and ammunition, several machine guns, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade launcher and ammunition.

Coalition forces destroyed the two vehicles on-site along with a MOPED discovered to have protruding wiring and with munitions hidden within it. An anti-tank mine with anti-handling mechanisms was also destroyed on-site. The remaining weapons and material was confiscated by coalition forces.

No IEDs or munitions were destroyed within the mosque itself.

No damage was done to the mosque and there were no Iraqi civilian, Iraqi forces or Coalition forces casualties.

Source: Multi-National Force-Iraq

389 posted on 11/19/2006 6:47:53 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: RaceBannon
Which one?

This one.


390 posted on 11/19/2006 7:17:16 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; ...

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Please come back to this web page for continuing updates, posted each week.

Why did United American Patriots establish this Fund? As the war on terrorism continues and expands, it has become alarmingly obvious that the enemy has well learned how to manipulate and use the mainstream mass media for propaganda, to include inciting our nation - and the world - against our own Armed Forces members. One of the enemy’s newest - and most formidable - weapons is to accuse our young Warriors of having committed "crimes and atrocities" while engaged in combat actions, to include "providing witnesses, photos, etc". And, it is painfully obvious that they are being successful in "winning the hearts and minds" of those who don't know any better. The mainstream media ("MSM") has played a significant role in all this - from the prosecution's point of view - with little from the defendants' involved.

Far too many of our elected officials have "bought into" this propaganda war. Some politicians have even publicly convicted some of our young men in public - even before any investigation has been completed or charges filed.

The "Politics of Propaganda" is an infectious disease that appears to have permeated the very highest levels within our government. And the only antidote for this disease, apparently, is the sacrificial conviction of those least able to properly defend themselves; our Privates, Corporals, Sergeants and Lieutenants who have faced the horror of combat time and again.
As of June 1, 2006 more than 28 American Soldiers, Marines (and even one Navy Corpsman) have been accused and/or charged with capital crimes, purported by the enemy to have occurred during combat actions. Many have already faced Article 32 hearings (supposedly comparable to our civilian grand juries) and many more are still awaiting their hearing.

And there will be more such accusations and charges as this war continues: the enemy has learned far too well our collective reaction to such things on the world stage and how to use the media as its fist. Make no mistake - these cases have far-flung geo-political implications. That is why we believe they are being so aggressively pursued by our appease foreign nationals!

The utter damnation of all this is that those who face end-of-life convictions are those least capable of mounting a viable and effective defense. Not even a Lieutenants monthly paycheck can afford a legal defense that could run well into the millions of dollars. So, the families of these Warriors have had to mortgage their homes, sell their homes, and borrow monies they know they could not repay in two lifetimes. And this, with the money meter just starting. These families are the true innocent victims!

Where are these Warriors and their families to turn? Who will "Defend Those Who Defend Us"?

DECISION: The Board of Directors for United American Patriots, during the first two weeks of June 2006, exchanged emails and phone calls to discuss the war on terrorism and its impact on, not only our nation, but particularly the impact on our military members – and their families - who are fighting it. Thus, on 16 June 2006, a unanimous decision was made to add a 6th Mission to our Corporate Mission Statement; the establishment of a legal defense fund for members of our Armed Forces accused and/or charged with "crimes and atrocities" committed during combat operations.

This Legal Defense Fund – named “The Warrior Fund” - was established for the express purpose of raising money to be used for legitimate legal expenses in the defense of members of our Armed Forces who, in the conduct of combat actions in the War on Terrorism, have been “alleged" or “charged" with crimes supposedly committed during such combat actions.

RATIONALE: The men and women in our Armed Forces, like ALL American citizens, must be presumed “Innocent Until Proven Guilty ".

A Presumption of Innocence is the cornerstone of our society and our military men and women deserve no less than a fair and impartial hearing. We at United American Patriots are asking American’s citizens to join with us in “ Defending Those Who Defend Us ".

We are not the judge nor are we the jury. Nor should anyone else be who is not legally vested with such responsibility. Our position is to not sit in judgment but rather, to ensure we do all that is possible to assure a proper and effective effort to defend our warriors against very dubious and suspicious charges.

Until "proven guilty", and even then - until after all appeals have been exhausted - we will continue to support and stand by them and we ask you, the American people to do the same by actively supporting their defense with your money and any other means of support.

LEGITIMACY : To ensure that the American public would feel confident that this effort is – and would always remain - completely legitimate and totally "honest" we have gone to great pains to organize it.

To that end, we have posted all of our legal status documents, and the By Laws for the Warrior Fund's Directors, here on our website.

We have developed a comprehensive program that includes an on line “Petition for Financial Aid” that can be downloaded from any computer and completed by our Warrior defenders or their families. The download contains clear instructions as to what information is required and how and where to submit the completed application.

Once the application has been received, and all is in order, a Case file is assigned and the point of contact in the application contacted to begin the support process.

Financial oversight: The American public can rest absolutely certain that every penny donated to The Warrior Fund goes into the Fund and will be used for the purposes expressed herein.

No one associated with this Fund or United American Patriots receives any compensation for their services.

We have a Certified Public Accountant (a member of the Board of Directors for United American Patriots) to oversee each and every transaction. Each Director for United American Patriots and each Director of The Warrior Fund has free access to any and all financial transactions, and, receives regular and frequent financial reports.

Please click on any of the links in the left side-bar of this page for additional information. You may also email the President of the Board of Directors for either United American Patriots or The Warrior Fund if you have a specific concern or question.

Email: the President of the Warrior Fund

Email: the President of United American Patriots

391 posted on 11/19/2006 9:37:19 AM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: RaceBannon

This is worth a thread of its own.

392 posted on 11/19/2006 1:47:53 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: freema
Good afternoon.

I consciously avoided being a parent, knowing the grief and worry that I had brought to my mother, but my wife hadn't and she brought a daughter with her.

Now we have a 10 year old grandson and in seven years I will have to deal with him and the military. I can't tell him not to enlist so I guess worry will accompany me into old age.

Michael Frazier
393 posted on 11/19/2006 2:16:53 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: B4Ranch; RaceBannon

Quite right.

394 posted on 11/19/2006 2:34:16 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: brazzaville

You could run, but you couldn't hide, eh? Someone, somewhere says God won't give you more than you can bear. They're wrong. God'll give you more than you can bear, but He helps ya carry the load-that's the way I look at it. That, and, what don't kill ya will only make ya stronger. : )

freegram had two grandsons come for dinner this weekend. I can't imagine anything sweeter. That's the stuff that makes up for the worry of children... I think. I dunno, the way she worries about them might make me think twice about that ; )

Bless your mom. She had to somehow reconcile being happy with the grief for the neighbor. That's a tough one. Survivor's guilt. And you gave her a grandaughter in spite of yourself? LOL. God works in mysterious ways.

395 posted on 11/19/2006 2:44:32 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: RaceBannon

Your post #391 is not the part of the exclusive that I was speaking of.

396 posted on 11/20/2006 9:25:28 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: freema; RaceBannon; Zhangliqun; justa-hairyape

Had to search for this thread because it's no longer on the side bar. I have been in email contact with a soldier, based out of Kuwait who travels into Iraq frequently. Says they've been ordered to keep their gas masks close by. He makes another statement which leads me to trust Race's info even more. I won't post any further details about his unit for opsec.

397 posted on 11/20/2006 2:54:03 PM PST by JoyjoyfromNJ (Psalm 121)
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To: JoyjoyfromNJ; RaceBannon; Allegra; SandRat

I just came across this article posted by SandRat.

Special Iraqi Forces Conduct Raid in Sadr City (WOO-HOO! About Time)
American Forces Press Service ^

Posted on 11/20/2006 7:00:36 PM EST by SandRat

WASHINGTON, Nov. 20, 2006 -- Special Iraqi army forces, with coalition advisors, conducted a raid today in Baghdad’s Sadr City neighborhood against an illegal armed group responsible for kidnapping, torturing and murdering Iraqi civilians and soldiers.
The cell has more than 30 members and allegedly uses a mosque compound as a place to conduct its illegal activity and store weapons. The cell is known to be targeting Iraqi soldiers, officials said.

Iraqi forces entered the mosque in search of cell members, but no one was detained. There was minimal damage to the mosque, and Iraqi forces fired on and neutralized a hostile vehicle posing an immediate threat to ground forces at the objective, officials said. There were no reported Iraqi forces or coalition forces casualties.

In other news from Iraq, coalition forces were engaged yesterday at several locations in southern Ramadi by a group of insurgents with small-arms fire.

The insurgents took refuge in a nearby building and continued to engage coalition forces. Officials said that after establishing positive identification and in an effort to avoid endangering civilians, coalition forces conducted an air strike against the insurgents using a laser-guided missile, killing one insurgent.

Three insurgents fled the building and were engaged by coalition forces, resulting in the death of another insurgent. There were no reports of civilian casualties as a result of the events, and there were no coalition casualties.

On Nov. 18, Multinational Division Baghdad soldiers seized a large weapons cache in southwest Baghdad. The soldiers -- from the 1st Squadron, 89th Calvary Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division -- seized three 155 mm artillery rounds, a 120 mm mortar round, 55 60 mm mortar rounds, 37 anti-personnel rocket-propelled-grenade rounds, 32 anti-armor RPG rounds, a long-range cordless phone, a fragmentation grenade, six homemade explosive propane tanks, three rifle scopes, a double-barrel shotgun, a crew-served weapon, a bag of blasting caps, 400 7.62 mm linked rounds, 400 7.62 mm loose rounds and 200 .50-caliber rounds.

On Nov. 17, Iraqi police and coalition forces found and disarmed two rockets and launching components in the town of Dibbis, Iraq, northwest of Kirkuk. Iraqi police found the 52 mm rockets and ignition systems. Expert explosive handlers from the 3rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, Task Force Lightning, disarmed the explosive weapons and destroyed the rockets.

The controlled detonations at the site caused no damage and there were no Iraqi civilian, Iraqi police or coalition forces injuries or casualties, officials said.

(Compiled from Multinational Corps Iraq news releases.)

399 posted on 11/20/2006 4:26:07 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema


400 posted on 11/20/2006 6:22:24 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Get right with God....eternity is a long time.....)
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