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Kidnapping of Americans Linked to al-Sadr
ABC News ^ | November 17 2006 | LUIS MARTINEZ

Posted on 11/17/2006 8:09:43 PM PST by jmc1969

A senior Defense Department official told ABC News that Shiite militiamen tied to anti-American cleric Moqtada al Sadr were behind the abduction of four American security contractors and an Austrian co-worker seized in a brazen attack on a supply convoy near the southern Iraqi city of Basra.

The search for the missing contractors resulted in a raid by coalition forces earlier today near the Kuwait border that resulted in the deaths of two Iraqi gunmen, but no hostages were found.

Throughout the day, statements from Iraqi officials — later discounted — led to reports that some of the hostages had been released or found dead. However, their employer, Crescent Security Group, said there had been no claim of responsibility, no demand for ransom and no communication of any kind from the hijackers.

Despite the confusion, new details emerged about the incident Thursday that took place 20 kilometers north of the Iraqi city of Safwan, located near the border with Kuwait.

A senior defense official said it was believed that the gunmen who ambushed the convoy were wearing newly issued Iraqi police uniforms that are supposed to be tightly controlled, hard to duplicate and were issued only last month.

Only a month ago, the coalition began distributing the digitally altered blue camouflage uniforms to National Police Brigades. The uniforms are also tied to the mass kidnapping earlier this week in Baghdad at the Education Ministry.

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KEYWORDS: alsadr; contractors; iraq
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150 Iraqi scientists and teachers kidnapped this week in Baghdad by the Madhi Army.

6 buses full of Iraqi civilians in Baghdad kidnapped by the Madhi Army this week.

4 Americans kidnapped this week by the Madhi Army.

1 US soldier still being held hostage by the Madhi Army in Sadr City and we can't go into Sadr City to save him because Sadr's puppet Maliki says no.

Either the boot comes down on the Madhi Army Mr. President or I am no longer supporting Americans dying to put down al-Sadr's enemies in Iraq to make the country safe for him to rule.

1 posted on 11/17/2006 8:09:44 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

Mookie has to go.


2 posted on 11/17/2006 8:11:10 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: jmc1969
Mookie is just a poster boy/figure head.

Iran holds the strings that control Sadr.

3 posted on 11/17/2006 8:14:31 PM PST by demsux
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To: sageb1

We didn't put up with this crap when Zarqawi grabed four Americans in Fallujah, why the hell are we letting Sadr get away with mass murder of Americans and Iraqis??????


4 posted on 11/17/2006 8:15:30 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

I say: Kill al-Sadr. If anyone doesn't like it and gets violent, crush them.


5 posted on 11/17/2006 8:16:19 PM PST by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: jmc1969
If thats true, Sadr had better be gone quick. With all the IED and sniping going over there an accident should happen real easy.

Give the footage to cnn too.

Either the boot comes down on the Madhi Army Mr. President or I am no longer supporting Americans dying to put down al-Sadr's enemies in Iraq to make the country safe for him to rule.

I hear you on that one.
6 posted on 11/17/2006 8:16:36 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: demsux

The Madhi Army is what needs to be destoryed.

Where is the anger? Where is the outrage?

If this had happened in 2004 we would all be up in arms.

The Madhi Army has four American civilians and one US soldier. Are we going to let them get away with it?


7 posted on 11/17/2006 8:17:36 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

Maliki


8 posted on 11/17/2006 8:19:12 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: RunningWolf

Dittos.


9 posted on 11/17/2006 8:19:48 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: jmc1969

Well, that's just dandy that we left him in power with his little band of merry men, so they can kidnap, kill, and target americans.

We are starting to look like feckless, toothless, butt plugs on the anus of an old sow.

The conservatives are not going to take much more of this. This mahdi army has to go. and then let the civil war run its course, pull our people back to the green zone, allow women and children go to syria, turkey, iran, and lebabon, and then left the freaks go at it.


10 posted on 11/17/2006 8:20:55 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: jmc1969

I’m still wondering why this thug has not had his large black hat separated from his forehead by a well placed bullet! He should have been part of the 72 virgins “thingy” several years ago.


11 posted on 11/17/2006 8:21:14 PM PST by doc1019
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To: sageb1

Who cares what the powerless puppet thinks. Sadr certainly doesn't when he goes about killing everyday in Iraq. Maliki is a joke and everyone knows it.

If almost any country in the world had four American civilians held hostage and 1 US soldier and wouldn't release them we would invade.

Sadr is pissing on America's face right now and we are just standing there.


12 posted on 11/17/2006 8:23:45 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969; All

Anyone else just experience a glitch?

I got this for about 10/15 minutes

Proxy Error
The proxy server could not handle the request GET /focus/f-news/browse.

Reason: Host not found

Other websites worked just fine


13 posted on 11/17/2006 8:58:44 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: jmc1969

Sadly, President Bush doesn't have the nards to kill this booger eating savage... political reasons and such...

If this guy is still alive by next summer I will officially campaign against this war on the grounds that our government is intentionally allowing US soldiers to be killed by a known terrorist in the name of political games. And I'll happily tell the President the same.


14 posted on 11/17/2006 9:00:06 PM PST by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: jmc1969; Natural Law
Sadr is pissing on America's face right now and we are just standing there

Well maybe but for how long, maybe something is in the works. I would not underestimate GWB, and I don't think Rummy is gone yet either is he. Cheney and Condi should support him on this too.
15 posted on 11/17/2006 9:03:26 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: sageb1

The site seems to be having problems. I rebooted and its still slow.


16 posted on 11/17/2006 9:05:04 PM PST by o-n-money
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To: sageb1

I did too and there is still a lot of latency.


Regards.


17 posted on 11/17/2006 9:05:37 PM PST by ARE SOLE
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To: RunningWolf

We have a narrow window to stop the Madhi Army before it triggers an all out sectarian war that forces public opinion in the US to get us to leave. And, that window is measured in months.


18 posted on 11/17/2006 9:07:09 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: John Robinson

Are you noticing any problems?


19 posted on 11/17/2006 9:08:20 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: jmc1969

Agree 100%


20 posted on 11/17/2006 9:10:15 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: jmc1969

Yes a very narrow window.

BTW I wonder if this site is getting a 'DOS' attack?


21 posted on 11/17/2006 9:11:49 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: jmc1969
Either the boot comes down on the Madhi Army Mr. President or I am no longer supporting Americans dying to put down al-Sadr's enemies in Iraq to make the country safe for him to rule.

We have a quorum. Mookie feeds worms, or the executive branch popularity goes to zero. Throwing Rumsfeld under the bus does not cut the muster. Pelosi may get her impeachment.

22 posted on 11/17/2006 9:11:53 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: jmc1969

This guy kives to fight because of the NYT and the Democrats.


23 posted on 11/17/2006 9:12:24 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democracy: The worst form of government, except for all the others.)
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To: RunningWolf

It is called a Distributed Denial Of Service, DDOS. Not happening. Other networks have issues.


24 posted on 11/17/2006 9:16:04 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

This guy lives to fight because of the NYT and the Democrats.


25 posted on 11/17/2006 9:16:41 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democracy: The worst form of government, except for all the others.)
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To: RunningWolf
"BTW I wonder if this site is getting a 'DOS' attack?"

Something has been going on for the past 2 or 3 weeks. Other freepers have mentioned problems here and there.

26 posted on 11/17/2006 9:18:31 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Was it lgf that said something about a bot of some sort?


27 posted on 11/17/2006 9:20:23 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Denial of Service Attack (DoS) per Symantec
Many DoS attack tools are capable of executing a Distributed DoS attack.

Things get abbreviated. I am used to hearing it as DOS for short.
28 posted on 11/17/2006 9:25:50 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: sageb1; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Counter, you still got that login from a couple weeks back?


29 posted on 11/17/2006 9:27:19 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: demsux

Mookie just pawn in game of Life.


30 posted on 11/17/2006 9:27:49 PM PST by NickatNite2003 (From the Man from Hope" to the wife who snarls "Abandon All Hope!")
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To: jmc1969

(shatner scream) SAAAADRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!


31 posted on 11/17/2006 9:29:15 PM PST by miliantnutcase ("If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -ichabod1)
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To: sageb1

re: glitch; yep and this site is ssllooowwww.


32 posted on 11/17/2006 9:29:51 PM PST by Atchafalaya (When you are there thats the best)
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To: miliantnutcase

Its not Sadr I worry about. In the political sphere he would eventually get marginalized and screw himself. Its his d*mn militia that is destabilizing all of Iraq and butchering Iraqis by the thousands as well as attacking US troops and American civilians.


33 posted on 11/17/2006 9:35:04 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

The first error message I got was a 500. What does that signify? Anything special?


34 posted on 11/17/2006 9:38:55 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: jmc1969
Things have gotten totally out of hand regarding the Sadr/Mahdi army issue.
If Maliki does not follow through by the end of December, based on what the US supposedly told him to accomplish, then I to am going to change directions as how I view the Iraqi situation.
It is one thing, and reasonable IMHO, to expect many Saddamist, al Qaeda, and splinter radical Sunni religious groups to be hard to ferret out, and another to avoid eliminating a number of well organized and VISIBLE militias.
Maliki had better start jumping through the friggen hoops soon.
Perhaps it is time for a number of us to unite and ask Jim to draft a letter/email to send to say Tony Snow that would represent the vast majority of Free Republic and obviously associative web/blog sites on this issue.
Most of us have shown great restraints in how we share our feelings on this issue. But surely the time is running out on future hopes of things actually getting better.
The time is long overdue for these Iraqi politicians to stop screwing off and doing something about this mess.
The Iraqi army and police are supposed to be eliminating all causes of sectarian violence. Do they need to scrap a huge portion of those we supposedly vetted and then trained.
Have to get some shut eye. Been a long day at work.
35 posted on 11/17/2006 9:39:07 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: sageb1
Internal Error 500:
The server was unable to send the html document to you due to an internal (server software) error.

http://docs.yahoo.com/docs/writeus/error.html
36 posted on 11/17/2006 9:44:31 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: jmc1969
Either the boot comes down on the Madhi Army Mr. President or I am no longer supporting Americans dying to put down al-Sadr's enemies in Iraq to make the country safe for him to rule.

I'm sure the President is seriously studying your ultimatum.

Americans don't die here to put down Mooktie's enemies. When they die, it is because OUR enemies, America's enemies, Western Christendom's enemies, get lucky.

Get straight want you are not supporting.

37 posted on 11/17/2006 9:47:09 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

The Iraqi police especially in Baghdad is very infiltrated.

The Iraqi Army is still deciently non-sectarian, but I see signs that Sadr is trying to change that.

Allawi gave an interview this week and was quite blunt that Iraq really does not have much time left. The US is going to have to take decisive action of some kind very soon or we lose Iraq and the entire region to Iran and al-Qaeda.


38 posted on 11/17/2006 9:47:19 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

FR-mail...;0)


39 posted on 11/17/2006 9:48:07 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: jmc1969
Either the boot comes down on the Madhi Army Mr. President or I am no longer supporting Americans dying to put down al-Sadr's enemies in Iraq to make the country safe for him to rule.

I'm sure the President is seriously studying your ultimatum.

Americans don't die here to put down Mooktie's enemies. When they die, it is because OUR enemies, America's enemies, Western Christendom's enemies, get lucky.

Get straight what you are not supporting.

40 posted on 11/17/2006 9:48:41 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us.)
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To: RunningWolf

Does that mean it's FR or me?


41 posted on 11/17/2006 9:50:38 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1
I would guess that its FR since several are seeing it. Also I am not having the same experience say at matt drudge and elsewhere.

At the same time an error code might be a symptom but not the actual problem. Obviously there is some problem but I can only make a few guesses from here.
42 posted on 11/17/2006 9:55:17 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Fighting to make Iraq safe for pro-Iranian anti-American clerics like Sadr to rule is not what I signed up for when I supported the war. If you think Sadr is going to allow free and fair elections in Iraq in the future you are dreaming.

Iran sees this as simply a continuation of the Iran-Iraq War. And, the US as long as long as it avoids the Madhi Army is basically fighting Sadr and Iran's enemies for them.

Nearly 3,000 Americans have not died in Iraq to hand the country over to the Madhi Army.


43 posted on 11/17/2006 9:55:31 PM PST by jmc1969
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Four American Contractors Reportedly Kidnapped in Iraqi Convoy Attack
44 posted on 11/17/2006 9:57:24 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us.)
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To: jmc1969
So withdraw your support for the war. Speak out against it. Undermine as much as you can the chain of command and the morale of the people over here. After all, you know so much better what we should be doing than our leaders do, right?

There is a ditch in Crawford for you.

45 posted on 11/17/2006 10:02:53 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

There will be no war to speak out against 6 months from now if the US doesn't act very soon.

Perhaps you haven't gotten it though you head.

The Madhi Army is about to trigger a civil war in Iraq.

There will be massive ethnic cleansing and hundreds of thousands will die. The Madhi Army has the advantage in numbers and aid and equipment from Iran. US public opinion will not let the President get involved in an all out civil war.

The Madhi Army will likely crush the Sunnis and then turn their guns on the Badr militia.

At the end of the day the Madhi Army will rule all of Iraq.

If you think that sounds impossible you need to wake the hell up.


46 posted on 11/17/2006 10:09:19 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: RunningWolf

Well, I'm glad it's not just me, but I certainly didn't mean to hijack the thread. This was the thread I was on when it happened and at the time I guess I just considered myself lucky to get back on FR and wanted to mention it right away. I did ping John Robinson. Maybe he will have some answers. Thanks for your help.


47 posted on 11/17/2006 10:09:34 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Another point to be made is that the Brits have gone into total force protection mode down there. The Islamist mafia, Iranian intelligence, and oil smugglers (who are oft-times all the same people) have veto power over all that goes on in the south. Trust me on this one.


48 posted on 11/17/2006 10:13:34 PM PST by BroncosFan ("Now we grieve, 'cause now it's gone / But things were good when we were young.")
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To: jmc1969

From a strategic perspective, the war turned on the incredibly-stupid decision to let Sadr continue to waste oxygen.

At the time, EVERYONE on this forum recognized the folly of letting him stay in power.

I am ashamed and embarrassed by the incompetence of this administration.


49 posted on 11/17/2006 10:26:49 PM PST by Stallone (Only RINOs Can Squander Political Power & Opportunity)
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To: jmc1969
The Madhi Army will likely crush the Sunnis

Check

and then turn their guns on the Badr militia.

Check

At the end of the day the Madhi Army will rule all of Iraq.

Not if everybody who wants to pick up their marbles and go home will just STFU and let us finish the job.

50 posted on 11/17/2006 10:32:46 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us.)
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