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The Christmas war is coming
Vanity | 11/18 | Wil H

Posted on 11/18/2006 5:53:56 AM PST by Wil H

The Christmas shopping season is upon us and it seems that we have won the opening skirmish it the war with secularism to stamp out Christmas. Walmart have agreed to let Christmas back into their stores this year. That is great news but I am sure it is the power of the almighty dollar rather than the Almighty himself that drove them to that decision, but then, God does move in mysterious ways.

This year I am going shopping prepared and I invite you to join me in the campaign.

I am going to carry a number of letters, sealed in envelopes and addressed to the Store Manager. Any time I don't find any evidence of Christmas celebration in a store I will give the manager a letter and leave.

Here is what the letter says:

Dear Sir or Madam,

I came to your store today with the express purpose of spending a significant percentage of my $XXXX (put what you like in here) Christmas shopping budget.

However I note that your store chooses to no longer participate in the celebration of Christmas and therefore you don’t qualify to receive my Christmas dollars.

A quintessential part of Christmas is the sharing of the joy of giving and doing so in festive Christmas environment, it is estimated 95% of Americans celebrate the holiday and fortunately for them, and I, there are many other stores that embrace the Christmas spirit.

My Christmas spending, as I am certain many other’s, will be done with those that wish to share the spirit of holiday. Should you ever decide to participate again I will consider returning as a customer, until that time, ALL my business goes elsewhere.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXXX

Merry Christmas

If a substantial number of people did this, maybe the message that Walmart got would reach the other retail outlets and perhaps we could get our Christmas back into the public square. If the stores all start decorating for Christmas again do you not think think they will pressure the municipality to decorate the streets appropriately?

This year, Prescott AZ has street banners on downtown lamp posts declaring "Prescott, Your Christmas City" I might just take a trip there to do my Christmas shopping.


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1 posted on 11/18/2006 5:53:58 AM PST by Wil H
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To: Wil H

Best Buy is a "Happy Holidays" hold-out, so they are off my shopping list. They also have the most disgusting TV ads , particularly the slut who clears the table for sex when she sees her boyfriend at the door with a "happy holiday" Best Buy package. That's the true secular spirit of Best Buy's holiday, I guess, but I don't have to reward them for it.


2 posted on 11/18/2006 5:59:58 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Wil H

If just 1/2 the energy you use to get people to say "Merry Christmas" were used to support the troops, perhaps they, too, could have a Merry Christmas.

Find a deployed serviceman (or womans ) family, and buy the kids toys, or pay their heating bill.

Buy some Christmas cards, and send them to the troops.

Gad, fight a fight that is significant.


3 posted on 11/18/2006 6:06:46 AM PST by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: Wil H

I saw a Target ad last night that said "Merry Christmas". That and the Salvation Army donation will probably mean more Christmas spending for me there.

BTW, Prescott and the area around it are, IMO, are absolutely gorgeous. I love it up there. I'm stuck down here in the desert, so my shopping choices are kind of limited.


4 posted on 11/18/2006 6:07:02 AM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: Wil H

I thought we had enough about this last year.

There is no war, but constantly ranting about it will surely make it appear that way.


5 posted on 11/18/2006 6:07:58 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
I thought we had enough about this last year. There is no war, but constantly ranting about it will surely make it appear that way.

Someone, somewhere, is pulling in income off of this "war". It's probably a pretty good business too.

6 posted on 11/18/2006 6:11:38 AM PST by Live and let live conservative
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To: USMCWife6869
I saw a Target ad last night that said "Merry Christmas".

Really? Now that IS a switch (and good to hear about)

Target's ads of a couple of years ago so infuriated me that I've boycotted them eversince. They were the odious "Joy to the World" sung by 3 Dog Night ads.

I wrote letters informing Target I was disgusted by their popularized secularization of Christmas.

Perhaps somebody at the top got the message...

7 posted on 11/18/2006 6:12:56 AM PST by prairiebreeze (God bless our fine military and their families.)
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To: Wil H

Christmas shopping is just shopping. If you want to turn it into a crusade, have a good time. Is that a good time???


8 posted on 11/18/2006 6:13:05 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: stuartcr
There is no war, but constantly ranting about it will surely make it appear that way.

Wanna bet? The ACLU would love to have Christmas banned altogether.

9 posted on 11/18/2006 6:15:30 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: USMCWife6869

Does Target have the Salvation Army this year?


10 posted on 11/18/2006 6:15:59 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Lokibob
Gad, fight a fight that is significant.

Why does it have to be an either/or proposition?
11 posted on 11/18/2006 6:17:05 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: cajungirl

If I carried a letter for the store managers, it would be one I carried all year long and it would be about RUDE sales people, especially the ones who talk on their cellphones while they ring you out.


12 posted on 11/18/2006 6:17:24 AM PST by Howlin
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To: kittymyrib

http://www.bestbuysux.org/


13 posted on 11/18/2006 6:18:17 AM PST by Crawdad (Is this thing on?)
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To: Lokibob

Walmart has a good selection of cards for the armed forces.


14 posted on 11/18/2006 6:18:38 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: Lokibob

You imply that these are mutually exclusive events (protesting stores and supporting troops), which, of course, they are not, this something I will do this year in addition to my other Christmas activities.

And if I were a serviceman that was able to get back home on Christmas leave and found the place looking like it was mid-February, I would be pretty ticked.


15 posted on 11/18/2006 6:19:41 AM PST by Wil H
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To: Howlin

They donated $1,000,000 to them. That is what I was referring to.

I am curious, btw. Does anyone know if this would be more oe less than what they would make outside the stores. I really want to know, this isn't a sarcasm thing.


16 posted on 11/18/2006 6:20:39 AM PST by USMCWife6869
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To: Howlin

LOL

Seems everyone is girding his loins for CHristmas shopping. I don't mind it so much now that our mall has Starbucks.

But I prefer shoppig in stand alone stores and on the internet.

Socks are a great gift this year. Go to Joyofsocks.com for great socks.


17 posted on 11/18/2006 6:21:54 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Wil H
Since all the shopping is indicative of consumerism, which is not the 'spirit' of the season anyway, can Christians just please drop the subject this year? Celebrate Christ's Birth in the way you see fit, and spread His Word that way. Volunteer for an organization that collects toys for poor kids. Work on Christmas Day serving dinner to poor families. Invite some folks who may not be able to get to their homes, or worse, don't have any family at all, over to YOUR house for the day.

Complaining and whining that some retail outlet doesn't yell "Merry Christmas" at you with it's advertising isn't exactly spreading the message Christ brought.

18 posted on 11/18/2006 6:22:55 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: All
I saw a Mac Davis Christmas special on tv a loooong time ago.
They had a skit where Christmas had been replaced.

With Consumers Day.

MERRY CONSUMERS DAY

19 posted on 11/18/2006 6:23:02 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: prairiebreeze

Been posted many times here at FR the past week.

Target is donating one million dollars to Salvation Army but will not allow bell ringers again this yr.


20 posted on 11/18/2006 6:23:59 AM PST by buck61
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To: Wil H

It's a good idea. Also, send a Christmas card with a Virgin and Child stamp, or a Ronald Reagan stamp to the ACLU.
Wish them a peaceful and happy Christmas.


21 posted on 11/18/2006 6:26:25 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Graymatter

As usual, I'll be delivering 2 dozen donuts twice a week to the VA hospital. If I can get in to SLC mid Dec, I'll probably volunteer a few days. Those guys really need the help during the Christmas season.


22 posted on 11/18/2006 6:27:16 AM PST by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: kittymyrib

Best Buy sucks, I wouldn't pi** in their parking lot.

Of course you can tell who their adds are targeted for, the young generation and the homosexuals.


23 posted on 11/18/2006 6:27:35 AM PST by buck61
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To: Howlin

"does Target have the Salvation Army this year?"

I don't think they will let the bell ringers in front, but I believe they were working on a donation program/grant to that organization.


24 posted on 11/18/2006 6:28:00 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Wil H

If the retail store doesn't say: "MERRY CHRISTMAS" I don't shop there, I don't care if I have to die without what they have, die I will......

Any time I see a newspaper in our area that has some opinion of why we SHOULDN'T say Merry Christmas, I send in another opinion as to why we should....

If we boycott the retailers that won't say merry christmas, then they'll get the message....as the saying goes: "More bang for your buck".....


25 posted on 11/18/2006 6:28:33 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: Howlin
Does Target have the Salvation Army this year?

I hope not. I can't stand the bell ringing and specifically avoid places that have it.

26 posted on 11/18/2006 6:29:19 AM PST by MMcC
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To: Wil H
That is great news but I am sure it is the power of the almighty dollar rather than the Almighty himself that drove them to that decision,....

Oh yes, the 8th wonder of the world is that no matter what Walmart does or doesn't do, it is worthy of them being chastised for it.

Myself, I wouldn't shop there if they condemned Christmas OR promoted it.

I just didn't like shopping there when I went there.

27 posted on 11/18/2006 6:29:51 AM PST by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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To: Wil H

Christmas is not only a Christian holiday. It was made a FEDERAL holiday in 1870.

So to not use the word "Christmas" in order not to offend other religions' followers in the United States, is silly. It is a government recognized holiday, that is called, by act of Congress, Christmas.

People need to be informed of this. It's like using the word niggardly. Nothing to do with the percieved offense.


28 posted on 11/18/2006 6:31:53 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Wil H

What if all the Christians in the country went just one year where they didn't buy any presents, but went the hand-made route or just got together? It would be sort of a year of jubilee from the materialism and I can guarantee that the next year every retailer in the nation would be saying 'Merry Christmas'. It's a big what if and I know it won't happen. But it's always fun to dream.


29 posted on 11/18/2006 6:33:25 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: USMCWife6869

I thought Target booted the Salvation Army, am I wrong? Hope so.


30 posted on 11/18/2006 6:33:34 AM PST by ronnieb
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To: HarleyLady27

Actually I think we ought to boycott anyone who says any greeting to us as we enter a store.

I like it when they are silent, smile and are ready to either help me or ring my purchases.

To insist on "merry Christmas" seems kind of in your face. What if the person workiing is jew? Can they say Happy Hannaka to you? To insist on your personal greeting from a person who works in a store, regardless of his beliefs, seems sort of Talibanesque to me.


31 posted on 11/18/2006 6:35:56 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: buck61
Of course you can tell who their adds are targeted for, the young generation and the homosexuals.

LOL!

Yea, if they ran an add "If your queer your dear and are offered 20% off all merchandise", the homosexual community around Christmas time would quadruple in size.

32 posted on 11/18/2006 6:36:58 AM PST by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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To: Wil H
I can't believe people get upset by this. I don't care what a store does, and it would be OK with me if Christmas was entirely removed from the orgy of consumerism that the season has become.

I'm sorry, but I don't equate my saviors birth with shopping for an XBox.
33 posted on 11/18/2006 6:37:49 AM PST by MMcC
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To: kittymyrib

A hardware/software guru friend of mine has been a VERY good customer of theirs for years.

He fired off an email the other day to Best Buy, getting the point across about how much he's going to be buying from them for *Christmas* presents this year but oops!, wait a minute, they don't acknowledge Christmas anymore... Guess he'll buy his gifts from a place that will.


34 posted on 11/18/2006 6:38:16 AM PST by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) Gun owners have illustrated rights are individual and can be protected by individuals.)
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To: cajungirl

here we go again......


...any store that doesn't advertise MERRY CHRISTMAS.....where did I say I wanted a greeter to say that???????

uuuuuurrrrrgggggggg


35 posted on 11/18/2006 6:38:57 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: cajungirl
Can they say Happy Hannaka to you?

Since it's in season, although I am Christian, if it were a sincere salutation it wouldn't bother me at all.

36 posted on 11/18/2006 6:39:06 AM PST by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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To: Wil H

Shop at the smaller specialty stores. It would give them a much needed boost against the giants who sell you nothing but crap anyway.


37 posted on 11/18/2006 6:39:31 AM PST by freekitty
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To: AD from SpringBay
What if all the Christians in the country went just one year where they didn't buy any presents, but went the hand-made route or just got together?

In a way we did that this year. Yes some purchases were made (we have an 8 yo, what can I say) but we made those purchases in October. IOW, I won't be involved in all the rush and one upmanship that has become December.

38 posted on 11/18/2006 6:41:25 AM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: Wil H

Best Buy considers the use of Merry Christmas to be disrespectful.

afa.net has a nice compilation of corporations which support Christmas and those which declare Christmas to be disrespectful.


39 posted on 11/18/2006 6:41:31 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: ronnieb
I thought Target booted the Salvation Army,...

They did. The bell ringers anyway.

40 posted on 11/18/2006 6:41:33 AM PST by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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To: EGPWS

I really like that, almost has a little jingle to it.


41 posted on 11/18/2006 6:42:04 AM PST by buck61
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To: Wil H

The "Christmas War" seems to start earlier and earlier each year...


42 posted on 11/18/2006 6:42:41 AM PST by ken5050
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To: HarleyLady27

Okay, okay. But my remarks still are my opinion. Why should the store be obliged to acknowledge Christmas when other religious observations are at the same time.

Seems there are two veins of religious thought here. Some insist on a public advertisement, others eschew consumerism.

But a store owner should be bullied by CHristians to adverise Merry Christmas?


43 posted on 11/18/2006 6:43:03 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: SuziQ

"can Christians just please drop the subject this year?"

No, we cannot just drop it this year, or any year for that matter. I'm not gonna let the secularists, the leftists and the communists, continue to rob Christians of what rightfully belongs to them. This "holiday" is a Christian observance and if the stores want to profit from it then they darn well better not call it something other than what it is. If a store has a specific policy to NOT allow people to say Merry Christmas or advertise with the word Christmas in it, then they do NOT get my money.


44 posted on 11/18/2006 6:43:09 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Wil H
We celebrate the birth of the Christ (on the wrong date, no less) by spending on gifts that may, or may not, bring some sort of material joy to whomever is the recipient?

I wonder just who it was who claimed this country is still a "Christian" nation.

45 posted on 11/18/2006 6:43:27 AM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: freekitty
Shop at the smaller specialty stores. It would give them a much needed boost against the giants who sell you nothing but crap anyway.

Your right!

I was thinking about buying the wife a $55,000,000 Gulfstream business jet for Christmas but I like your idea and have settled on a hang glider instead. ; )

46 posted on 11/18/2006 6:44:40 AM PST by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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To: cajungirl

I just can't go with that, any way you cut it, it is stifling and repressive to way too many people. I understand a person of another faith, or no faith, may not enjoy it, but to request the silence of everyone else(which is what you are asking)is simply repression and tyranny. I would certainly agree that if one wants to boycott over the uttered word Christmas, being tossed in their direction, that is their right. But for that tiny sliver of people to expect everyone else to just shut up, as they celebrate, a holiday they apparently like, is just too much. Their must be a way to approach it from the other direction. No employee, for example should be made to say anything. They should not however be punished if they choose to do so, or, conversely if they prefer to say nothing at all.


47 posted on 11/18/2006 6:45:01 AM PST by ronnieb
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To: Wil H

Good for you. I will pay attention to political correctness problems when I chose where to shop and celebrate this Christmas season. "Holiday shopers" on this thread can do their thing...while Christians can do their thing.


48 posted on 11/18/2006 6:45:31 AM PST by Texas Chilli
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49 posted on 11/18/2006 6:46:32 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Gabz
In a way we did that this year. Yes some purchases were made (we have an 8 yo, what can I say) but we made those purchases in October. IOW, I won't be involved in all the rush and one upmanship that has become December.

How do you find the time?

I'm so busy working OT to afford all the Christmas presents that I just don't have the time to make presents!

Oh, wait a minute..../snicker

50 posted on 11/18/2006 6:48:36 AM PST by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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