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AMERICA'S MAYOR SEEKS LARGER EMPIRE (Giuliani as presidential candidate is scary)
NY POST ^ | November 19, 2006 | VOX POPULI (letters to the editors)

Posted on 11/19/2006 5:37:05 AM PST by Liz

****......he won't be able to get conservatives on his presidential bandwagon. He is pro-choice and favors same-sex marriage, gun control and stem-cell research. He has to be able to swing Middle America. Name redacted Bellerose

**** Who is going to run Giuliani's exploratory committee? I understand Bernie Kerik, Russell Harding, Richard Roberts and a list of assorted cons are available from Giuliani's group of yes men. Maybe his driver will be our next attorney general. That's just what our country needs - more scandals. Whitestone

**** Giuliani was a terrible mayor, and has spent all his days promoting himself. Manhattan

**** Giuliani for president? What is happening to the moral high ground of the Republicans? It sounds like they are becoming the more corrupt and morally disgusting bunch of the two parties, yet they want Giuliani to lead the party of moral conviction and family values? Memphis, Tenn.

**** Giuliani as a presidential candidate is a scary concept. Manhattan

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Who is going to run Giuliani's exploratory committee?....Bernie Kerik, Russell Harding, Richard Roberts and a list of assorted cons are available from Giuliani's group of yes men.

Giuliani’s gay worship is so extreme, he advocated stripping away the special legal status of traditional marriage. In 1998, he pushed a municipal ordinance that wiped out all distinctions between married and unmarried couples in New York City law, regardless of their gender.

Then-Mayor Rudy gave homosexuals high-paid city jobs including the son of Liberal Party honcho Ray Harding (who endorsed Rudy and gave Rudy the Liberal Party ballot line). Russell Harding stole the city blind, giving himself unauthorized salary raises, stealing electronic equipment, enjoying gay porn, internet child porn, and traveling with gay friends on the taxpayers' dime. When appraised of the ripoff, and that Russell was being prosecuted, Rudy said he "felt bad" for the Harding family.

Rudy never deviated from the liberal drill and dared not uter a discouraging word about the depraved Russel, lest Rudy alienate big buck homosexual and liberal donors and voters.

However, even though he had no legal or official mandate to do so, Rudy never hesitated to use his office to marginalize and demean conservatives and conservative values.

Rudy promoted his ex-driver---Bernie Kerik---for Homeland/Sec Chief. Kerik's nomination flopped b/c of his shady background, an illegal nanny problem, and for using an official post-9/11 pad for extra-marital trysts. Kerik later pleaded guilty to having mob connections.

1 posted on 11/19/2006 5:37:09 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz

So, just how is this liberal Democrat going to get the Republican nomination? He's the MSM's fallback position if McCain doesn't get it.

Big media took out George Allen; wow, did they do a number on him.

Conservatives better find a candidate.


2 posted on 11/19/2006 5:39:27 AM PST by kjo
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To: kjo

If liberals are thinking this, then Rudy must be the man.


3 posted on 11/19/2006 5:42:43 AM PST by native texan
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To: Liz

Gun grabber.


4 posted on 11/19/2006 5:48:49 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: kjo

"Conservatives better find a candidate".



Would it do any good? I appears to me that the deal has been cut, already. Rudy has payed his dues, by pretending to be a Republican, for a few years, that seems to count more than my actually being a Republican, for almost 50 years. Screw them and the horse they rode in on!


5 posted on 11/19/2006 5:48:59 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The rinos will put Romney up for nomination as well cuz.


6 posted on 11/19/2006 5:50:08 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Liz

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18106


7 posted on 11/19/2006 5:50:49 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: kjo

Another Freeper post of Rudy bashing.

Rudy is liberal on many social issues. I am a libertarian and don't have a problem with that, even though I don't agree with him on some things. I don't like the positions that he took on gun control, but consider that the New York Law has a strict law that he was sworn to uphold. As a candidate for President, he would need to address his position on Federal Law. I'd like to see how he comes out on that issue.

On the issues that rate high for a President, Rudy is conservative: National Security and Defense; Homeland Security; Law and Order; fiscal responsibility; and leadership (he wrote a book by that name=he has it).


8 posted on 11/19/2006 5:51:08 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Haley Barbour and Mike Duncan are going to be the new standard bearers of Conservatives.

Barbour has some name recognition. Question is how clean is he?


9 posted on 11/19/2006 5:52:28 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I thank the RNC for freeing me to vote my values rather then political party. It is liberating!)
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To: Liz

When a man has control over the nuclear weapons and the choice is between an insane senator or a sane ex-mayor the other issues seem to take a back seat.


10 posted on 11/19/2006 5:53:41 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

On the issues that rate high for a human being, Rudy Giuliani is lacking moral character. Just look at his personal life and the characters he chums with, like Bernie Kerik.


11 posted on 11/19/2006 5:53:45 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Liz

Hey Rudy!!

Look at FreeRepublic Poll on the side bar.

60% against
40% for

IMHO - Don't run and risk fracturing the party...

But do RINO's ever listen??


12 posted on 11/19/2006 5:53:53 AM PST by TOneocon
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To: EQAndyBuzz

"Question is how clean is he?"

On what?


13 posted on 11/19/2006 5:54:03 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

mPres Romney/Gingrich/
VP M. Steele/JC Watts
Homeland Security, hire JD Hayworth, he has no job


14 posted on 11/19/2006 5:54:06 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman
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To: Liz

Scary because....

Consider the alternatives. You can't beat a scary someone with someone even more scary. Consider the 1964 Presidential race, when LBJ, a very scary person already, was building his entire legacy on that of JFK. The very thought of how LBJ may have been involved in the actions that catapulted him to the Presidency, and the cavalier attitude when confronted by challenges to that exalted position, is enough to bring doubt to the most trusting of people.

To boost his own standing, LBJ started the campaign of "scary Barry", and topped it all with the little girl picking daisies, who disappeared in the mushroom cloud. This was probably the epitome of negative campaigning, and it was wildly successful.

I was told that if I voted for Barry Goldwater that year, taxes would rise sharply, there would be widespread civil unrest, the war in Viet Nam would expand, and I would probably lose my job.

I voted for Barry anyway, and sure enough, every one of those predictions came true.


15 posted on 11/19/2006 5:54:21 AM PST by alloysteel (Facts do not cease to exist, just because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Only Rudy could make me a McCainiac. The nice thing about Mad Mc is that he'll be forced to pick a Rightist Veep . . . and I doubt Mc lives until 2017.


16 posted on 11/19/2006 5:54:34 AM PST by BroncosFan ("Now we grieve, 'cause now it's gone / But things were good when we were young.")
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Screw them and the horse they rode in on!

Rudy would likely try to make that legal.

17 posted on 11/19/2006 5:55:20 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Rudy Giuliani is effectively, if not intentionally, a stalking horse for Mrs. Bill Clinton. If he gets the nomination Mrs. Bill will certainly win. If McCain gets it then she will only probably win.


18 posted on 11/19/2006 5:55:28 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

New York's law is not Constitutional, to begin with. You do not swear to uphold anything you don't believe in.
Rudy has done more than just "uphold" the unconstitutional crap, he has expanded it.
You can pick your issues that define "conservative", I'll pick mine!


19 posted on 11/19/2006 5:57:27 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

He should run on the Liberaltarian party ticket.


20 posted on 11/19/2006 5:57:29 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Liz
Liz,

Right now, I'm voting ABC--Anybody But Clinton. Sorry.

The Blue Blood GOP screwed up in '96 when they allowed Dole to ascend to the nomination instead of Lamar Alexander who would've cleaned ol' bill's clock.

Unfortunately, I think the GOP is in the ABC mode as well...at least that's what they'll put before us at all the fundraisers.

21 posted on 11/19/2006 5:57:39 AM PST by rvoitier (Democrat Party, not Democratic Party.)
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To: arthurus

"If McCain gets it"

Lot of assumptions there...don't forget his health.


22 posted on 11/19/2006 5:58:34 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: TommyDale; Anti-Hillary; jla
On the issues that rate high for a human being, Rudy Giuliani is lacking moral character. Just look at his personal life....

Nice take TD. I am sure you will agree that FReeper Anti-Hillary said it best: "Lord God, I pray, rise up a righteous leader in this party to run for the office of POTUS. We do not see one, but you know who they are. Place it on their heart to come forward and lead this nation back to her glorious roots. In the name of your son, amen!"

23 posted on 11/19/2006 6:00:10 AM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: Liz; areafiftyone
Rudy promoted his ex-driver---Bernie Kerik

lol...you might have some credibility if you provided sources for your lies.

Rumor has it that Kerik was Commissioner of NYC Department of Correction before being appointed NYC Police commissioner by Rudy.

Usually folks want to get the truth out about candidates, not just smear their reps.

24 posted on 11/19/2006 6:00:24 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
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You think you saw Dems make gains in 06? You ain't seen nothing yet when you trot Rudy out as standard bearer.

25 posted on 11/19/2006 6:01:05 AM PST by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: Dark Skies

Kerik was an alley cat just like I was, but he messed up by thinking it wouldn't come out when he went for DHS.


26 posted on 11/19/2006 6:01:59 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: rvoitier

Lamar! wouldn't have cleaned Clintoon's clock. He was, is, and will always be a mediocre RINO with questionable core values. I've known the guy all my life.

About the only person who could've beaten Clintoon in '96 was probably Colin Powell, but he was another RINO squish who probably would've had the Congress back in 'Rat hands 8 years ago.


27 posted on 11/19/2006 6:04:05 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
I'm certainly not a Kerik fan. I can't believe he thought he could get away without being revealed.

On the other hand, I can't understand why the Rudy-haters don't use the truth instead of innuendo.

28 posted on 11/19/2006 6:04:32 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Rudy has payed his dues,

He defeated Hillary's Senate run? /s

29 posted on 11/19/2006 6:04:57 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: TOneocon
IMHO - Don't run and risk fracturing the party...

This past election proved it already is fractured.
30 posted on 11/19/2006 6:05:15 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: rvoitier

Dole and Lamar? Talk about Dull and Duller! At least Dole had a sharp tongue that he used to zing his opponents. Too bad he didn't use it in 1996, probably following the advice of some stupid Beltway consultant who told him he'd look mean if he did.


31 posted on 11/19/2006 6:05:44 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: EQAndyBuzz

>Barbour has some name recognition. Question is how clean is he?<

Just take a look at the link to see what Haley is going to be facing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haley_Barbour


32 posted on 11/19/2006 6:06:07 AM PST by LRS
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To: Liz
FORBES 2008
33 posted on 11/19/2006 6:08:14 AM PST by maineman
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To: Liz

I saw Rudy take control of NYC after the worst terrorist act in history. I saw him cut crime in NYC by 70%. I saw him turn down millions of dollars from a Saudi on moral grounds after that attack and I heard him say he would elect jurists in the vein of Alito and Roberts.

He's EXACTLY the kind of President I want.and no amount of "gay friend this" or "homosexual employee" that will change my mind. No matter how bad the MSM, or you evidently, wants me to dwell on it.


34 posted on 11/19/2006 6:10:45 AM PST by HelloooClareece (Support the CinC during WARTIME or get outta my way.)
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To: Liz
If it is McScream, the Beast or HomoLuvRudi, then this trooper is NOT VOTING for any of them. You have to draw that line in the sand on your personal convictions in life. Voting for any of these three in my opinion is wrong and stupid. I will either vote for another candidate or not vote at all, and that is saying something since I have voted in every election that I have ever been eligible to vote in since becoming a legal voter as an adult.
35 posted on 11/19/2006 6:10:54 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The US Military Services are THE BEST PEOPLE on the planet. God protect them.)
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To: Liz

We have reached a mile stone in America.

people with the conservative agenda are going to vote their wallet.
We are rapidly loosing our Christian values when it comes to voting for candidates.
Giuliani does not have the values of the conservative below the mason Dixon line but when he is put up against Hillery most republicans will support him. It will all come back to the past add-edge in the recent election, HOLD YOUR NOSE AND VOTE.
I for one will not hold my nose the next time I vote. If we can't get a candidate who supports my values I can't persuade myself to give that candidate or party my vote. And, yea I know the response I will receive for this statement so don't waste your time and mine writing to me.

God has taught us to serve one God and, that God is Jehovah.
If you are a Christian you know very well what I am talking about. You don't serve him by electing people who allow an unborn child to be pulled from the womb by cutting it into pieces and sucking its brains out from its scull.
You don't vote for people who support men marrying men and women lying with with women.
Anyone with any reading skills can find many places in the scripture that teaches against these type of life styles.

Yet there are many who say they are Christians who will support people like Giuliani because he is using the GOP for his platform in deceiving Christians.


36 posted on 11/19/2006 6:14:02 AM PST by buck61
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To: HelloooClareece

"He's EXACTLY the kind of President I want"

Are you a Republican?


37 posted on 11/19/2006 6:14:03 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: native texan

But, us conservative know about Rudy as well!!


38 posted on 11/19/2006 6:15:17 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Liz

2008 is the line in the sand for the Republican Party as a viable political entitiy.

The Bush Administration and its associate leadership in the House and Senate failed to deliver on many key elements in the conservative agenda of the Republican political base and on others only under pressure from the conservative base.

A Giuliani or McCane nomination would be the end of it.

Neither of these individuals reflect the social values so important to the Republican political base or to the majority of independent Americans.

Giuliani WAS a terrible mayor for New York. Only 9-1-1 saved his reputation.

He's pro-gay, pro-illegal alien, pro-abortion, anti-gun and an insufferable egotist. Just being from the northeast would have made him suspect to middle America, but combined with these other failings, he would be a political catastrophy.


39 posted on 11/19/2006 6:16:21 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Just go on and vote for that perpetual candidate. What's his name Brown?
40 posted on 11/19/2006 6:16:46 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: kjo

Big media did take out George Allen, but he certainly helped. Anyone who is dumb enough to call a young Indian kid "Macaca" while looking into his video camera is not presidential material.


41 posted on 11/19/2006 6:16:48 AM PST by Nascar Dad (Liberals, Libertarians, Losers....)
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To: buck61
Well there is mass deception already flowing like a flood. Wait until you find out just how Christian Hillry will appear.

I expect campaign '08' theme to be 'love the sinner', and
peace, peace, peace, right out of an old time revival.
42 posted on 11/19/2006 6:17:21 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: EQAndyBuzz
There may be something on Barbour, but I live in a suburb of Mississippi, and have never heard anything even remotely controversial about him!!
43 posted on 11/19/2006 6:18:17 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: buck61
Oh I forgot to add, wasn't Rudy a Clintons supporter and voter????
44 posted on 11/19/2006 6:18:44 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Liz

Rudi's liberal views on abortion, gays, and guns--which I oppose--will not stop me from voting for him if that is what it takes to keep the Hildabeast and Slick Willy from moving back into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I can't think of a stronger advocate for fighting and winning the war against militant Islam than Rudi. If Rudi is top man I sleep well at night. I believe he has enough political smarts to not try to force his liberal social views on the party or the nation while he is president. I also question how much some of his liberal social views are heartfelt. How else but with liberal social positions is a GOPer to be elected in NYC? Name another Republican who has without faltering supported our President and other GOP candidates the way Rudi has? You haven't seen Rudi hitting the president so as to suck up to the liberal media the way McCain has. I am a conservative Republican but that does not mean I believe in forgoing power to stand on principle. Those who follow the purist path are inviting a solid Democrat congress and presidency in 2008.


45 posted on 11/19/2006 6:21:57 AM PST by Combat_Liberalism
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To: native texan
If liberals are thinking this, then Rudy must be the man.

Yup.
I see the Hitlery attack dogs in New York have been unleashed. I have been expecting that for some time.
No surprise there.
Question is, why should I buy this garbage?
I know first hand what Guliani has done for New York.
Exactly what has Hitelry ever done for anybody since she was born, apart from screw up everything she ever touched, inlcudinmeg her notorious, failed Health Plan?
It's Guiliani all the way.
46 posted on 11/19/2006 6:22:32 AM PST by ShawTaylor
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To: mariabush

The thing that comes to my mind about Barbour was after an election, I think 92, liberals in Congress wanted his head and I think it had to do with campaign $$$$ while running the RNC.

Course the speech god McCain has sorted all that out, he helped birth $ORO$ to buy the Congress.


47 posted on 11/19/2006 6:22:55 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Yeah 527's for all.


48 posted on 11/19/2006 6:23:57 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: HelloooClareece
I could have done everything that you say Rudy did. I could have also, baked great chocolate chip cookies and handed them out to the workers at the WTC.

Rudy is no hero, when he condones the murder of millions of unborn babies.
49 posted on 11/19/2006 6:24:10 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Combat_Liberalism
Rudi's liberal views on abortion, gays, and guns--which I oppose--will not stop me from voting for him if that is what it takes to keep the Hildabeast and Slick Willy from moving back into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave

Exactly right.
There is simply NO WAY in hell I am going to sit idly by, and let the Great Satan Hitlery and her super sleazy spouse back into the White House, when I could have voted in the tried and tested, strong on WOT Giuliani instead.
Against Hitelry, Guiliani gets my vote.
It's a no brainer.
50 posted on 11/19/2006 6:27:01 AM PST by ShawTaylor
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