Posted on 11/19/2006 9:00:33 PM PST by LuxMaker
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An influential Democratic lawmaker on Sunday called for reinstatement of the draft as a way to boost U.S. troop levels and draw a broader section of the population into the military or public service.
It doesn't get any better than this. Crash and burn Charley Strangle, crash and burn...
Can anyone post some numbers for active duty and reserve troops?
I'm tryin gto hammer some liberal over the head who all the sudden...think a draft is a swell idea...
Reuters can be relied upon to report, celebrate, exaggerate and trumpet ANYTHING that reflects poorly on America or makes the lunatic Islamists look like choirboys...
Semper Fi
And you're the idiots always whining about how unfair the draft is. GET LOST, we have a far better system in place without injecting today's losers.
Strange how Democraps hate the military but are so anxious to start the draft, these are deranged people folks.
Rangel is a proven liar.
And a big fat oily liar at that..
Has been for a long time.
Not a very good one either.
It takes very little fact checking
to prove that most of the BS
he spouts as "facts" are just the
topmost layer of fantasized sh*t
in his brain.
Was he complaining about the volunteer military before there was a war? What did he think these young people were volunteering for? It's hypocritical to support a volunteer military only in times of peace. Did he complain about this in the context of Bosnia, or Haiti?
Yeah, ole Chucky Rangel had his bluff called by Republicans and introduced the reinstatement of the draft into the House.
Of course ole Chucky voted against his own bill then.
I guess you can say that he voted against it before he voted for it! :-)
SEC. 401. END STRENGTHS FOR ACTIVE FORCES.
The Armed Forces are authorized strengths for active duty personnel as of September 30, 2004, as follows:
(1) The Army, 482,400.
(2) The Navy, 373,800. currently Active Duty: 381,135
(3) The Marine Corps, 175,000.
(4) The Air Force, 359,300
Subtitle B--Reserve Forces
SEC. 411. END STRENGTHS FOR SELECTED RESERVE.
(a) IN GENERAL- The Armed Forces are authorized strengths for Selected Reserve personnel of the reserve components as of September 30, 2004, as follows:
(1) The Army National Guard of the United States, 350,000.
(2) The Army Reserve, 205,000.
(3) The Naval Reserve, 85,900.
(4) The Marine Corps Reserve, 39,600.
(5) The Air National Guard of the United States, 107,030.
(6) The Air Force Reserve, 75,800.
(7) The Coast Guard Reserve, 10,000.
SEC. 412. END STRENGTHS FOR RESERVES ON ACTIVE DUTY IN SUPPORT OF THE RESERVES.
Within the end strengths prescribed in section 411(a), the reserve components of the Armed Forces are authorized, as of September 30, 2004, the following number of Reserves to be serving on full-time active duty or full-time duty, in the case of members of the National Guard, for the purpose of organizing, administering, recruiting, instructing, or training the reserve components:
(1) The Army National Guard of the United States, 25,599.
(2) The Army Reserve, 14,374.
(3) The Naval Reserve, 14,384.
(4) The Marine Corps Reserve, 2,261.
(5) The Air National Guard of the United States, 12,191.
(6) The Air Force Reserve, 1,660.
SEC. 1012. ENHANCEMENT OF AUTHORITY RELATING TO USE FOR EXPERIMENTAL PURPOSES OF VESSELS STRICKEN FROM NAVAL VESSEL REGISTER. (a) ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION- Paragraph (1) of subsection (b) of section 7306a of title 10, United States Code, is amended-- (1) by inserting `AND ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION OF' in the subsection heading after `STRIPPING'; and (2) by inserting before the period at the end the following: `and such environmental remediation of the vessel as is required for the use of the vessel for experimental purposes'. (b) SALE OF MATERIAL AND EQUIPMENT STRIPPED FROM VESSEL- Subsection (b) of such section is further amended-- (1) by redesignating paragraph (2) as paragraph (3); (2) by inserting after paragraph (1) the following new paragraph (2): `(2) Material and equipment stripped from a vessel under paragraph (1) may be sold by the contractor or by a sales agent approved by the Secretary.'; and (3) in paragraph (3), as redesignated by paragraph (1), by striking `scrapping services' and all that follows through the end of such subsection and inserting `services needed for such stripping and for environmental remediation required for the use of the vessel for experimental purposes. Amounts received in excess of amounts needed for reimbursement of those costs shall be deposited into the account from which the stripping and environmental remediation expenses were incurred and shall be available for stripping and environmental remediation of other vessels to be used for experimental purposes.'. (c) CLARIFICATION OF COVERED EXPERIMENTAL PURPOSES- Such section is further amended by adding at the end the following new subsection: `(c) USE FOR EXPERIMENTAL PURPOSES DEFINED- In this section, the term `use for experimental purposes', with respect to a vessel, includes use of the vessel in a Navy sink exercise or for target purposes.'. SEC. 1013. TRANSFER OF VESSELS STRICKEN FROM THE NAVAL VESSEL REGISTER FOR USE AS ARTIFICIAL REEFS. (a) AUTHORITY TO MAKE TRANSFER- Chapter 633 of title 10, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 7306a the following new section: `Sec. 7306b. Vessels stricken from Naval Vessel Register: transfer by gift or otherwise for use as artificial reefs `(a) AUTHORITY TO MAKE TRANSFER- The Secretary of the Navy may transfer, by gift or otherwise, any vessel stricken from the Naval Vessel Register to any State, Commonwealth, or possession of the United States, or any municipal corporation or political subdivision thereof, for use as provided in subsection (b). `(b) VESSEL TO BE USED AS ARTIFICIAL REEF- An agreement for the transfer of a vessel under subsection (a) shall require that-- `(1) the recipient use, site, construct, monitor, and manage the vessel only as an artificial reef in accordance with the requirements of the National Fishing Enhancement Act of 1984 (33 U.S.C. 2101 et seq.), except that the recipient may use the artificial reef to enhance diving opportunities if that use does not have an adverse effect on fishery resources (as that term is defined in section 2(14) of the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act (16 U.S.C. 1802(14)); and `(2) the recipient obtain, and bear all responsibility for complying with, applicable Federal, State, interstate, and local permits for using, siting, constructing, monitoring, and managing the vessel as an artificial reef. `(c) PREPARATION OF VESSEL FOR USE AS ARTIFICIAL REEF- The Secretary shall ensure that the preparation of a vessel transferred under subsection (a) for use as an artificial reef is conducted in accordance with-- `(1) the environmental best management practices developed pursuant to section 3504(b) of the Bob Stump National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2003 (Public Law 107-314; 16 U.S.C. 1220 note); and `(2) any applicable environmental laws. `(d) COST SHARING- The Secretary may share with the recipient of a vessel transferred under subsection (a) any costs associated with transferring the vessel under that subsection, including costs of the preparation of the vessel under subsection (c). `(e) NO LIMITATION ON NUMBER OF VESSELS TRANSFERABLE TO PARTICULAR RECIPIENT- A State, Commonwealth, or possession of the United States, or any municipal corporation or political subdivision thereof, may be the recipient of more than one vessel transferred under subsection (a). `(f) ADDITIONAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS- The Secretary may require such additional terms and conditions in connection with a transfer authorized by subsection (a) as the Secretary considers appropriate. `(g) CONSTRUCTION- Nothing in this section shall be construed to establish a preference for the use as artificial reefs of vessels stricken from the Naval Vessel Register in lieu of other authorized uses of such vessels, including the domestic scrapping of such vessels, or other disposals of such vessels, under this chapter or other applicable authority.'. (b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT- The table of sections at the beginning of such chapter is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 7306a the following new item: `7306b. Vessels stricken from Naval Vessel Register: transfer by gift or otherwise for use as artificial reefs.'. SEC. 401. END STRENGTHS FOR ACTIVE FORCES.
The Armed Forces are authorized strengths for active duty personnel as of September 30, 2002, as follows:
(1) The Army, 480,000.
(2) The Navy, 376,000.
(3) The Marine Corps, 172,600.
(4) The Air Force, 358,800.
SEC. 411. END STRENGTHS FOR SELECTED RESERVE.
(a) IN GENERAL- The Armed Forces are authorized strengths for Selected Reserve personnel of the reserve components as of September 30, 2002, as follows:
(1) The Army National Guard of the United States, 350,000.
(2) The Army Reserve, 205,000.
(3) The Naval Reserve, 87,000.
(4) The Marine Corps Reserve, 39,558.
(5) The Air National Guard of the United States, 108,400.
(6) The Air Force Reserve, 74,700.
(7) The Coast Guard Reserve, 8,000.
End strengths for active forces (sec. 401) The House bill contained a provision (sec. 401) that would authorize end strengths for the active forces, as indicated in the table below: Service Fiscal year 1998-- Request Recommendation
Army 495,000 495,000
Navy 390,802 395,000
Marine Corps 174,000 174,000
Air Force 371,577 381,000
Total 1,431,379 1,445,000
The Senate amendment contained a provision (sec. 401) that would authorize active duty end strengths for fiscal year 1998, as shown below: Fiscal year-- 1997 authorization 1998 request 1998 recommendation
Army: 495,000 495,000 485,000
Navy: 407,318 390,802 390,802
Marine Corps: 174,000 174,000 174,000
Air Force: 381,000 371,577 371,577
The House recedes with an amendment that would authorize active duty end strengths for fiscal year 1998 as shown below: Fiscal year-- 1997 authorization 1998 request 1998 authorization
Army 495,000 495,000 495,000
Navy 407,318 390,802 390,802
Marine Corps 174,000 174,000 174,000
Air Force 381,100 371,577 371,577
Total 1,457,418 1,431,379 1,431,379
1998 authorization for end strength active duty
Army 495,000
Navy 390,802
Marines 174,000
Air Force 371,577
1998 authorization for end strength reserves
ARNG 366,516
USAR 208,000
USNR 94,294
USMCR 42,000
ANG 107,377
USAFR 73,431
USCGR 8000
What purpose does a draft serve? Does the genius think most of the military is made up of poor, black folk, or what?
In 2003, he proposed a measure covering people age 18 to 26. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42; it went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061119/ap_on_go_co/military_draft_7
in 2004, a couple weeks before the election, someone spraypainted "BUSH = DRAFT" on an overpass on campus (here at UT).
Let's see if "RANGEL = DRAFT" appears in the same spot. Not gonna hold my breath.
Do you hear that noise???
It is the sound of Canada building a fence on their southern border.
This is a political ploy, plain and simple. Neither the American people nor the Pentagon want a draft.
Red Charlie Rangel wants to make it make it almost impossible for the United States to go to war by creating mass resistance against any use of the military by potential draftees. He's a traitor pure and simple.
Don't hold your breath, you should go ahead and paint that on the exact same spot.
Maybe it is time to drag some of these metrosexual liberal scumbags out of the coffee houses and put them on the front. Time they carried their weight. Good idea Charlie!
Where is the news, Rangel been spreading this crap for years.
Shhhh!!!
I'm not gonna read the full release, but somehow I doubt Reuters mentioned that Rangel voted against his own bill when it was presented.
The antique Democrats in power or so they think. Back to the glorious days(puke) of the 1930's; high tax, tariffs, Bolsheviek
revolution depression and the draft. The ultimate is subduing
the populace.
Marching backwards!
Now, wait a minute! A Dim wants to reinstate the draft? What a fractured political party.
A volunteer military is the one the of the very great thing about this country. It reaffirms the recognition of individual liberty and freedom that every citizen enjoys. A draft is another name for involuntary servitude and utterly anethema to a free society. Good or bad, we are free to vote with our feet when it comes to war on foreign soil. The reluctant stay home and the patriots answer the call.
I also heard that "military service would not be the only option." This is code for Charley's opponents drive a truck in a foreign war-zone. Charley's friends drive meals-on-wheels back on the block.
He's just doing this to make John Kerry look good...
Jobless Claims Fell by 20,000 in October
According to the U.S. Department of Labor, initial filings for government unemployment benefits dropped by 20,000 during October. The decline in unemployment was described as “the last gasp of failed Republican economic policy” by incoming Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid (D-Nev.). “We’re going to get this turned around now that we’re in charge,” Reid said. “It is unconscionable that Bush’s tax-cutting policies have driven so many into the employed labor force. The loss of leisure time has been immense and unnecessary in a nation as wealthy as ours.”
In related news, Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) called for the reinstatement of a military draft. “As Senator Kerry pointed out, the way it is now, military recruiters prey upon the uneducated lower classes,” Rangel said. “A draft that randomly inducts men and women from all sectors of society will raise the quality of our military personnel.”
read more...
http://www.azconservative.org/Column_Archives.htm
Thank you SIR...and thanks for the added comments..
Democrats claimed Bush would reinstate the draft, but Rangel seems to be the only one doing this. I don't see how this can help the democrats.
"it went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress."
Thank God.
Posted at DU yet? I wonder how they are going to spin this?
"from everything I've seen and heard their left hand doesn't know what their right hands doing. "
Let's hope it stays that way. As long as it does, then they can't spend time making new and insane laws.
My liberal sister seemed all worried about the draft in 2004. I don't wish to argue with her so didn't tell her the Dems are the ones who wish to draft.
I say, leave the war to the professionals - that's what a volunteer military is. People who enlist as a career move.
The draft means disgruntled people who aren't there by choice and are easily manipulated by those who hate the military in the first place. Vietnam is the example. And by the way, why does a volunteer military translate to a professional military?
Women will serve just like men. Their aim is to have every person serve the country for TWO years, in one capacity or another! The last proposal by Rangel was all males & females from age 18 to 42!! It said nothing about "single" males & females, don't know if they intend to try to take married people also!
Several years ago, I attempted to sign up for some courses at the local community college. (I was in military uniform at the time.) The receptionist asked me if I had "registered" for Selective Service. (Needless to say, I went to another institution.)
Last year, while filing out forms for a security clearance, I was aked to provide a Selective Service number or prove that I was born prior to January 1959.
Birng back the draft? I don't think it ever truly went away!
He wants the yoots of America to riot in the streets if force is ever used again. He wants to go back to the anti-War mass protests of the late 60's. He wants the Chicago Police to beat the crap out of the yoots and spray mace on dim politicians trying to coerce those rabid yoots to vote for them. rangel is a stupid evil agent of satan!
LLS
Exactly and we're up to our ears in it while our leaders in both parties tell us we're smelling roses. {I know you what you meant just a play on your word }
Don't you just *love* this "story?" I cannot read enough about it.......LOL.
No problem. I've posted those numbers countless times. Most people don't understand the seriousness of the shortage. We don't need more active duty troops for Iraq, we need more active duty troop period. We are skating on very thin ice manpower wise. This would be true even if we weren't in Iraq.
No really I don't like it a bit. Both parties in congress should be ran out of town on a rail for their neglect of the national defense. It can not be blamed solely on Clinton when the GOP has been the majority since 1995.
I'm going to post a reply I just made on another thread because it applies in this one as well.
In just Iraq alone we are reserve dependent. Somebody yelled war and forget to make provision didn't they? That can only be congress. With the low available numbers bombimg them {Iraq} back into a rock throwing contest would seem wiser. But somebody also yelled war and forgot why we go to war and how to fight to win which means win at all cost. That cost preferably being paid more by the offending nation than ours of course.
I know terrorist cells used Iraq. But they also used Yemen. If I read the score card right Yemen was the one who did an act of war against us that went completely unanswered by both Clinton and Bush. Thanks to our state departments involvement rather than the Pentagon handling the matter we now have several thugs who know how to blow up ships running loose.
Yea even though Yemen aided bin Ladden they got a free pass. Yemen claimed to have the COLE bombers in prison. They should have been given just 24 hours to surrender them or a MOAB response if refused upon the structures they used.
I can not for the life of me understand why if one man was such a big threat and we deployed virtually what is left of our military to a nation to take the man down we made such huge mistakes. Why did Saddam not face a U.S. military tribunal and firing squad? {Not asking you personally} Why was then after being captured the man turned over to a government as corrupt as it was when the man ran it? U.S. soldiers blood was shed to take him down and they deserved a better response to Saddams fate than some misguided civics lesson by a man who thinks he was elected to be the worlds president.
Last but not least I want to make this point as I know you remember it well. Thirty Eight years ago North Korea did an act of war against the United States. A ship [non combat except for a 50 caliber LBJ had installed as a token gesture} was seized in International Waters and it's crew taken prisoner. The crew had no means of defense, no means to E.D. the ship despite the Captains concerns before the mission over not having such capabilities. Yet after the capture night after night the POTUS made empty threats to North Korea setting deadline after deadline threat after threat and did nothing except to have the ships Captain Court Martialed. This from the man and his SOS Sec of Defense who knowingly and willingly send that ship into harms way incapable of defense. That is called hazarding a vessel and is a criminal offense both in the UCMJ {which did not apply to them} and U.S. laws as well.
Today we have a POTUS again making empty threats to the government of North Korea. Of course NK laughs because anything less than a ballistic missile raining down on his palace is beyond our current capabilities. We can not sustain a NK deployment with our current troop levels. If a man is gonna make threats he needs to either back them up or shut up before he makes himself and the nation look like a fool before the world.
Iran? Now there is a threat much much more than Saddam was ever likely going to be again. They are now far enough long in their Nuke weapons program that we may not be able to contain them short of a nuke exchange. This while our POTUS has been on an insane mission from the United Nations to re-build the better Greater Babylon for future thug dictators to enjoy.
BTW I was no Rummy fan. I enlisted when the man was Secretary of Defense for Ford and saw the mess he, Ford, and Congress made of things. Men walking off from their volunteered service obligations on Samsonite enlisments {Meaning if you dodn't like the military just leave} for token measures of punishment and a trip home was common under Rummy's tenure. I did my 4 years under the last few months of Rummy and almost all of Carter's term. I was home in time to vote in that years November elections.
The only light of hope under Cater came in mid to late 1979 with a new Secretary of the Navy who at least had some clue as to why he was there and made drastic needed changes almost overnight. He understood what Rummy did not. Tradition! He knew if you wanted men to be sailors then you treated them as such. He started by first restoring the crackerjack Dress Blues to putting Bosuns whistles back on ships and some volunteer E-7's and above coming back in to restore a sense of tradition and discipline. By late 1980 it did get better. It was a better Navy a more traditional one than it was when I got to my ship in Feb 77. Carter himself though was a brainless dolt for POTUS. I will say this much to his credit though. His carriers did not despite all our problems of that day {and their were many} fail to obtain Light offs or flunk INSURV or other readiness evaluations.
As my late uncle who Captained a GATOR FREIGHTER in the mid to late 1960's told me right after the KENNEDY and KITTY HAWK readiness fiascos. "No one fails INSURV the Navy won't let you fail". Oh he was angry. But he had gone from E-1 in WW2 to 0-5 in rank before retiring in 1970.
I understand your position completely, cva; I was making an early morning joke about Rangel continuing to bring this up; I guess I'm just not up to speed on "irony" so early in the morning.
But your repost is dead on.
The reality of the situation is that they actually have 2 left hands...one is just further to the left than the other one...
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