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Royal: Britain must choose US or Europe
The Daily Mail ^ | 20th November 2006

Posted on 11/20/2006 6:57:32 AM PST by Mrs Ivan

Segolene Royal will try to force Britain to choose between being America's closest ally or being at the heart of Europe if she becomes French president, says a close aide.

Her foreign affairs adviser Gilles Savery, a French MEP, unveiled proposals for a new EU treaty, to replace the failed EU constitution rejected by French and Dutch voters.

He stressed that if Britain refuses to back the new drive towards a more powerful EU, France, Germany Spain and Italy could join forces to create a "quartet" to lead Europe.

He said: "Great Britain is absolutely indispensable to the European Union. It is a great nation, a global power.

" But the question the English have to answer is - do the English consider the English Channel to be wider than the Atlantic?

"We on the Continent have the right to deplore the fact that Great Britain appears to consider the Channel wider."

In comments that will alarm Gordon Brown, he also called for more protectionism aimed at safeguarding EU jobs in the face of globalisation. The Chancellor believes competitive businesses, rather than new trade barriers, are vital for a strong economy.

In an attack on Britain and America's military action in Iraq, Mr Savery also advocated moves towards a more common EU foreign policy.

"Europe can be relaunched with Germany, Italy and Spain. It is perfectly possible to have treaties within the treaty, among four nations," he said in an interview with The Daily Telegraph.

"If other nations want to sign up, that's good. But we cannot have a Europe where one part goes to war in Iraq, another part does not, and we all end up paying the bill.

"The question that needs to be asked is - do we want to be vassals of the United States, do we want to be a 51st state?"

Ms Royal kept largely quiet on her vision for Europe and views on foreign policy during her campaign to win the nomination to be the Socialist candidate.

She is likely to face centre-Right candidate Nicolas Sarkozy in the presidential elections next April. If she wins, Ms Royal and German Chancellor Angela Merkel could form a powerful new alliance at the heart of Europe.

Ms Royal opposes a twospeed Europe. Mr Savery accused Britain of leading an "ultra-Atlanticist" bloc within the EU.

On Ms Royal's economic policy, he added: "She believes, like all the French, that Europe should be more protective and should defend itself better."

Meanwhile, Treasury minister Ed Balls pledged that the Government will in future publish an annual statement of all EU funds spent in the UK.

Announcing the move, he branded the state of the EU budget "a disappointment and an embarrassment". Auditors have refused to give it a clean bill of health for the 12th year running.

Speaking to the Institute of Chartered Accountants in London today, Mr Balls, Mr Brown's right-hand man, will highlight widespread beliefs that EU funds are wasted or open to fraud.


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"We on the Continent have the right to deplore the fact that Great Britain appears to consider the Channel wider."

Deplore it as much as you like. The only countries that really seem to want the EU are Germany and France, anyway, neither of which are allies that I would choose.

1 posted on 11/20/2006 6:57:33 AM PST by Mrs Ivan
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To: Mrs Ivan
Let's see. On one hand, we can choose people who speak English and have been consistently on our side. On the other, we can choose the countries which have traditionally opposed us.

The words "No brainer" spring to mind.

Love, Ivan

2 posted on 11/20/2006 6:59:05 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Mrs Ivan; odds; DCPatriot; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; mtngrl@vrwc; ...

Ping!


3 posted on 11/20/2006 7:01:03 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Mrs Ivan
France, Germany Spain and Italy could join forces to create a "quartet" to lead Europe.

Don't you mean, an "Axis"?

4 posted on 11/20/2006 7:02:15 AM PST by Cooter
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To: Mrs Ivan

Why does the Lady think the US would WANT Europe as the 51st state? Not a chance unless it is the only way to keep it out of the Caliphate.

Nor does it appear in doubt as to which side the English people would chose if asked. One side tried repeatedly to conquer it and the other assisted Great Britain in the repulsion of that would-be conquest.


5 posted on 11/20/2006 7:02:42 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Mrs Ivan

The French have consistently tried to turn Europe into something that is automatically and always in opposition to the US. There is no logical reason why this must be so. This is just the same sort of arrogance that Chirac displayed by telling Eastern Europeans that they were not "well brought up" because they were insufficiently anti-American for French tastes.


6 posted on 11/20/2006 7:04:03 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Cooter
We can ally ourselves with Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and the Netherlands right back at them.

We also have big, powerful friends in terms of Australia, Canada, and the United States. Who the bloody hell needs them?

Regards, Ivan

7 posted on 11/20/2006 7:04:21 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Ivan, you took the words right out of my mouth.

"No brainer" indeed.


8 posted on 11/20/2006 7:04:38 AM PST by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: Mrs Ivan
If she wins, Ms Royal and German Chancellor Angela Merkel could form a powerful new alliance at the heart of Europe.

Yes, they will turn both into complete and utter socialists countries with no return to freedom. Germany has tried this socialism thing once before, kinda back in the 1930s and 1940s I believe, I as my memory recalls, that did not turn out too well for them. Their little experiment into socialism cost the world about 50 million dead in WWII I believe. Sure, both of you try it, since you both are soon going to be come Mozlum nations anyway. By 2015-2020 both will probably have Mozlum leaders in government.

9 posted on 11/20/2006 7:05:36 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The US Military Services are THE BEST PEOPLE on the planet. God protect them.)
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To: MadIvan
The words "No brainer" spring to mind.

I believe, unfortunately, that were it put to a popular vote in GB that the EU's would win. Of course, I may be wrong.

10 posted on 11/20/2006 7:06:11 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Mrs Ivan
Re #1

Let Royal ruin France, then see her watch in horror when National Front takes power.

If Sarkozy does not win, that appears to be the path France is heading to. They are courting cataclysm.

11 posted on 11/20/2006 7:07:02 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Mrs Ivan
Segolene Royal will try to force Britain to choose between being America's closest ally or being at the heart of Europe if she becomes French president, says a close aide.

No, they don't have to choose. She is not the boss of anything.

12 posted on 11/20/2006 7:07:18 AM PST by x_plus_one (Franklin Graham: "Allah is not the God of Moses. Allah had no son")
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To: MadIvan
We can ally ourselves with Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and the Netherlands right back at them.

We also have big, powerful friends in terms of Australia, Canada, and the United States. Who the bloody hell needs them?

I guess the Europeans forgot how things worked out for them the last for about the last seven centuries or so when France or Germany try to interfere with Britain.

13 posted on 11/20/2006 7:08:03 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Maceman
Just when you think the politicians on the Continent are starting to realise that a European superstate is impossible and Britain was right all along, some idiot like this Frog bint comes along and lets fly with some gelatinous socialist vomit.

France has nearly 9% unemployment, ghettos that give Beirut a run for their money and a political culture that is 10 times more snobbish and elitist than anything we see in the House of Lords. I am completely uninterested in hearing her advice or her threats.

Regards, Ivan

14 posted on 11/20/2006 7:08:59 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Mrs Ivan

"do we want to be vassals of the United States, do we want to be a 51st state?"

Or, Brits, wouldn't you prefer to be vassals of France and Germany, do you want to be part of the 4th Reich? :p

I can't put my finger exactly on the moment when France decided that it was more fun to define itself as reflexively anti-US, but they're being nuts. The opinion seems to be that Islamism would be cuddly and cute if only they could ally with Islamists against the US.

"But we cannot have a Europe where one part goes to war in Iraq, another part does not, and we all end up paying the bill."

Why don't they just say it right out. "We must join with Sauron." :D


15 posted on 11/20/2006 7:09:18 AM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: lafroste
I believe, unfortunately, that were it put to a popular vote in GB that the EU's would win. Of course, I may be wrong.

You are definitely wrong. The British people will always choose people who speak English over those who don't.

Regards, Ivan

16 posted on 11/20/2006 7:10:05 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Mrs Ivan
Madame Royal is NOT a serious candidate, and apparently has lost the confidence of her own party, as well as having little better than no chance of gaining the primier post she seeks.

With the "yoots" burning, rampaging and pillaging M.Sarkozy seems to be a shoe in.
The UK has long cast a jaundiced eye on the "froggies" and generally neither like or seem able to abide them for very long. That they (the UK) needs to make a choice of blonde or brunette is patently foolish on it's face and a fiction used as jounalistic filler by the Daily Mail(the UK's MSM)
17 posted on 11/20/2006 7:10:08 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping The Maccallan and enjoying his Stan Getz CD's".)
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To: Mrs Ivan
"The question that needs to be asked is - do we want to be vassals of the United States, do we want to be a 51st state?"

Whether you do or don't doesn't matter, in a few decades it will be moot. You have more important questions to ask yourself.

18 posted on 11/20/2006 7:10:16 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: Mrs Ivan

"The only countries that really seem to want the EU are Germany and France . . ."

Germany was Britain's primary ally in the 18th and 19th Century. France was its primary ally in the first 20th century. Now its primary ally is the United States.

Seems like a better deal than allying with two losers.


19 posted on 11/20/2006 7:10:35 AM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: MadIvan

but which would Britain choose?


20 posted on 11/20/2006 7:12:41 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Gideon Reader
Don't be too sure. Sarkozy is advocating tough medicine. Royal is offering pleasant platitudes. The French have voted for the latter before.

Regards, Ivan

21 posted on 11/20/2006 7:12:55 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Thank you. That is very welcome news.


22 posted on 11/20/2006 7:14:19 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: longtermmemmory
The USA, easily.

Do you really think we like the French or Germans all that much? One country, we've been at war with since forever, the other is an object of ridicule for John Cleese as Basil Fawlty.

Regards, Ivan

23 posted on 11/20/2006 7:14:52 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Mrs Ivan

Britain can hitch it's wagon to the rising United States of the sinking EU. If they throw in their lot with us, they will be independent, free, and rich. If they cast their lot with the Europeans, they will be ensnared in the European bureaucracy, regulated to death, and poor.

This should be a no-brainer, but for some reason it's not.


24 posted on 11/20/2006 7:15:10 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Does it have to be McCain or Giuliani? Are we that pathetic?)
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To: MadIvan
some idiot like this Frog bint comes along and lets fly with some gelatinous socialist vomit.

You just earned an A for descriptive prose.

25 posted on 11/20/2006 7:16:53 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"If Sarkozy does not win, that appears to be the path France is heading to. They are courting cataclysm."

A civil war that the Muslims will win, eventually.
In fact, it's already begun.

IED's for the police is the next step.

26 posted on 11/20/2006 7:17:29 AM PST by blam
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To: Mrs Ivan

Once goods are on a ship, it does not cost that much more to transport them 3000 miles than 30. The Chunnel gives the Froggies a slight structural advantage, but it does not carry enough goods to overcome the fact that they are on the express elevator and going down.

Why would Great Britain want to sign on to that?


27 posted on 11/20/2006 7:22:59 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Does it have to be McCain or Giuliani? Are we that pathetic?)
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To: blam
A civil war that the Muslims will win, eventually... In fact, it's already begun.

You know, nobody does bloody genocidal madness quite like the Froggies. They may surprise you. One thing's for sure, it ain't gonna be pretty, and it ain't gonna be PC.

28 posted on 11/20/2006 7:25:06 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Does it have to be McCain or Giuliani? Are we that pathetic?)
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To: Mrs Ivan

Was anyone else wondering which member of the royal family would have dared make a comment like this? My money was on Princess Michael.


29 posted on 11/20/2006 7:26:33 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: No.6
I can't put my finger exactly on the moment when France decided that it was more fun to define itself as reflexively anti-US, but they're being nuts. The opinion seems to be that Islamism would be cuddly and cute if only they could ally with Islamists against the US.

The moment was just as soon as we kicked the krauts out in Workd War II.

30 posted on 11/20/2006 7:26:50 AM PST by curmudgeonII (One man...and the Lord...are a majority.)
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To: Mrs Ivan

Thanks for posting. Outstanding FReeper comments BUMP!


31 posted on 11/20/2006 7:29:59 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Mrs Ivan

This little girl cant me much of a study of history. Other than WW1 and WW2 (where the US and Britain were allies) I would be hard pressed to find a political climate were Britain naturally sided with France.

Remember, if you draw a line in the sand, someone may actually step over it.


32 posted on 11/20/2006 7:32:03 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Mrs Ivan

do we want to be a 51st state?"

How arrogant of her to even think we'd ever allow that.
The question should be: Should Great Britain join Europes decline or hedge her bets with the United States and the rest of the non-Islamic west.


33 posted on 11/20/2006 7:33:09 AM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: HostileTerritory
Ségolène Royal is the Socialist Party candidate for FRENCH President.
34 posted on 11/20/2006 7:53:08 AM PST by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: MadIvan
The British people will always choose people who speak English over those who don't.

So do Americans.

35 posted on 11/20/2006 7:57:39 AM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Cheburashka

Oui, je le sais bien. Mais ca, c'est que je pensais avant d'ouvrir l'article.


36 posted on 11/20/2006 8:08:01 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Mrs Ivan
Cheeky, ain't she?
37 posted on 11/20/2006 8:09:47 AM PST by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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Cheeky, ain't she?

Shurely not!

Nanny knows best is just another mewling socialist with no better idea of what is good for her country than a dead newt.

38 posted on 11/20/2006 8:15:09 AM PST by Mrs Ivan (English, and damned proud of it.)
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To: Mrs Ivan

Britons need to obey.


39 posted on 11/20/2006 8:15:39 AM PST by greasepaint
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To: greasepaint
Britons need to obey.

Said with tongue in cheek, I hope.

40 posted on 11/20/2006 8:16:35 AM PST by Mrs Ivan (English, and damned proud of it.)
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To: Mrs Ivan

Just what the world needs, another "know best" Frenchman. /sarcasm>


41 posted on 11/20/2006 8:17:31 AM PST by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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To: Cobra64
I thought of reminding everybody of the old British saying,

"The Wogs start at Calais."

But that would not be PC these days.

Wait a minute, why would I care about that?

Ok, everyone, remember "The Wogs start at Calais."
42 posted on 11/20/2006 8:24:48 AM PST by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: Mrs Ivan

Lets see.

EU-a weak socialist(communist lite)super state over run by muslims and anti-US zealots.Where the UK will lose it soveriegnty to the likes of France and Germany(they will controll it not the UK).

or

US: A sister nation that shares history,language,culture,and has the deepest military/intel alliance on the planet.


I dont see why the UK has to choose. Why cant it keep its trade relationship with the EU and keep its alliance with the US? The EU is quickly becoming an enemy of the US with rhetoric like this.I look for them to join with russia,and communist china in trying to counter the US with some one world nonsense. Choose wisely British brothers your long history is at risk.


43 posted on 11/20/2006 8:26:57 AM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Mrs Ivan

America or the Dark Side is the choice.


44 posted on 11/20/2006 8:29:05 AM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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To: All

What's next for Europe - under these Grande Dames?

Emasculation of all non-productive males???

No doubt they will attempt to influence Hillary's election too.


45 posted on 11/20/2006 8:34:09 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: Mrs Ivan

So they can be vassals to the US or the EU? How about letting the UK have the ability to ally with whomever they please? What with it being a sovereign nation and all.


46 posted on 11/20/2006 8:34:45 AM PST by Patriotic1
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To: HostileTerritory

No, those of us who read the article aren't.


47 posted on 11/20/2006 8:37:45 AM PST by Patriotic1
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To: Patriotic1
No, those of us who read the article aren't.

Sorry I was unclear. I saw the headline on the link on the list of recent posts, had my thought, and then read the article which quickly cleared things up. If you knew it was Segolene Royal before opening the article, kudos to you.

Obviously I left myself open to a lot of snark by the wording of my original post.
48 posted on 11/20/2006 8:41:43 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory

LOL. Sorry about that... Since so many posters don't read the article before posting, I thought you were one. Happy Thanksgiving!


49 posted on 11/20/2006 8:42:41 AM PST by Patriotic1
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To: MadIvan
>>The words "No brainer" spring to mind.

Exactly the phrase I was thinking before reaching the end of the first sentence.
50 posted on 11/20/2006 8:48:42 AM PST by Gene Eric
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