Skip to comments.Mitt Romney - The Christianist Candidate
Posted on 11/22/2006 10:11:01 AM PST by Deut28
The Christianist Candidate
In case you were unaware, it's Mitt Romney. As with most Christianists, the idea of allowing different states to try different solutions to the same problem is dispensable when moral absolutes are involved. In other words, the fundamentalists have no interest in federalism. If federalism means that California can have marriage equality and medical marijuana, today's GOP base wants none of it. Here's Romney's discussion of John McCain's approach:
Romney was less charitable to McCain, who on Sunday told ABC News: 'I believe that the issue of gay marriage should be decided by the states.' McCain also said, 'I believe that gay marriage should not be legal.' Romney seized on the remarks. 'That's his position, and in my opinion, it's disingenuous,' he said. 'Look, if somebody says they're in favor of gay marriage, I respect that view. If someone says like I do that I oppose samesex marriage, I respect that view. But those who try and pretend to have it both ways, I find it to be disingenuous.'
It's now disingenuous to have a position on a matter but believe it should be decided by indidividual states rather than by federal control? Disingenuous? Of course, Romney knows better. He's smart, he's aware of the important principle of federalism - but he's going for the Christianist wing, the wing that only supports states' rights when states support Christianist policy prescriptions. And so another conservative principle gets inverted by the allegedly "conservative" candidate.
I honestly can't tell from this article if Sullivan favors a federalist approach to addressing the marriage issue or not. I presume he's rather displeased with the recent election results from many states on the issue.
Has Sullivan formally given up his facade of pretending to be a Christian?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
I certainly can appreciate his emotional position on the issue, but I'm at a complete loss in trying to understand his political and legal position.
I can't even tell from his various writings if he feels it's a Federal or a State issue. All he seems to do is blast those that hold a different position, and never match their arguement with his own.
I suspect that Mr. Sullivan is hypocritical on this issue, because I highly doubt he takes a state's rights position on slavery and other moral absolutes.
Waiting on the "Romney can't be a christian...he is LDS and no one but no one but maybe his family will vote for him" posters to show up.
"I do think on the movement in the right, the areas that produced Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, there is a yearning for a clearer voice of conservatism and I think Mitt Romney has an opportunity to fill that". Newt Gingrich 11/19/2006
I do too, but my mind doesn't want to go there.
LDS is no more Christian than Islam. However his religion alone would not prevent me from supporting him.
I know some Mormons well and they are definitely Christian in their basic beliefs. And didn't we go through this 44 years ago and decide that religious affiliations are not relevant in terms of government? Why such bigotry now?
Have the rats issued a press release demeaning Romney the way they did when McCain and Giuliani set the wheels in motion for "exploaratory" committees? That will be interesting to see. I have a feeling the rats would prefer to see Romney get the nomination.
Sullivan is an idiot, but he is right that there is a certain section of the base that cares about federalism only when it suits their ends and not otherwise.
That said, he exaggerates that section's size and distorts the extent of their positions and oversimplifies the Gay Marriage issue far too much.
Sully sealed it for me,
Where do I get my Romney bumperstickers?
Sulllivan is so blinded by his obsession with the male anus, that he can't see anything else.
Hopefully you also understand that the Supreme Court can invalidate any state law they want.
That is why McCain's position is disingenuous.
Sullivan is a single issue voter, though the issue changes by the minute. Sodomite marriage seems to be all he cares about at the moment but the next CNN story can change it back to the issue he loves to beat Bush up with and that is the alleged torture of Islamo Fascists.
I gave up on Sullivan when he said he wanted to fight the war against the Islamists but was voting for John Kerry.
I thought Romney was a Mormon?
How on earth do you handle this issue federally? Let me explain the problems with doing this one on a state by state issue:
1. People move. If two guys get married in Vermont and later move to Oklahoma are they still married?
2. The IRS. Does the Vermont couple file jointly as married and the Oklahoma couple not?
3. That 14th Ammendment. Yes, we don't care for it, but it'll mean the courts will decided this on a one size fits all matter.
It's more Christian then Islam.
I've done a fair amount of reading about Mormonism, I've found that there are a lot of hysterical things said about them that aren't true. There are also a lot of things they say that I don't believe and don't agree with, but don't think are important to the big questions of grace and salvation.
That said, there are things that I find flat out wrong theologically, things that I could see people saying, under the Christian understanding of grace, would deny them salvation. I have extreme trouble buying into their definition of grace, and if you can't recieve that...you are in a lot of trouble IMHO.
That said, they are extremely complicated issues that, personally, I'd rather leave up to God. They say they believe in grace, they have some concept of it, even if warped, so let's just let God figure it out.
John McCain has made a deal with the radical gay activists to support gay marriage. This agreement give cover to some of the gay Republicans who were being threatened by the rabid, gay activists. I am thinking specificly of Lindsey Graham, who became a target during the impeachment, but was given a pass, once he joined the McCain camp.
The support of Andrew Sullivan should be a red flag for any Republican candidate. Sullivan is a one issue kind of guy. Sex is apparently all the man can think about.