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Indiana Gas Tax Debate (democrats want to cut taxes?)
wndu ^ | 11/25/06

Posted on 11/26/2006 8:05:26 AM PST by hoosierboy

Democrats, who control the Indiana House, want to eliminate the state's sales tax on gasoline.

But, Republicans, who control the Indiana Senate, are skeptical.

Senate Republicans say it is unlikely the proposal would become law.

Republicans say exempting gasoline from the state's six percent sales tax could cost the state as much as $300 million a year.

And, it would only save drivers a few cents at a time.

House Democrats first suggested eliminating the sales tax on gas in August when gas prices were about three dollars a gallon.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: energy; gas; gastaxes; indiana; tax; taxes
Its stories like this, that make me wonder if hell hath frozen over. Makes we wonder will I keep voting republican. Although, a broken clock is correct twice a day???? Go figure.
1 posted on 11/26/2006 8:05:27 AM PST by hoosierboy
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To: hoosierboy

What have we become?


2 posted on 11/26/2006 8:09:18 AM PST by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: hoosierboy

It's no wonder that the Democrats won 3 House seats in Indiana.

There's going to be a heck of a problem for national Republican candidates in 2008 if the local GOP party doesn't fix itself in states including Indiana, Ohio, and Colorado.


3 posted on 11/26/2006 8:10:24 AM PST by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: hoosierboy
Cost the state!?!?!?!

It would put $300 million back into the hands of consumers. Where it belongs.

4 posted on 11/26/2006 8:10:40 AM PST by TopDog2 (Onward Christian soldiers...)
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To: hoosierboy
Republicans say exempting gasoline from the state's six percent sales tax could cost the state as much as $300 million a year. And, it would only save drivers a few cents at a time.

That's the way Democrats argue. $300 million taken from the public sector and infused back into the economy is no small change. It doesn't matter how small the increments are. To say that tax cuts "cost" anything is the mark of a statist liberal.

Time to clean house in the Indiana GOP.

5 posted on 11/26/2006 8:10:52 AM PST by ElkGroveDan ( What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?)
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To: builder

There's a South Park episode about Paris Hilton which explains the phenomenon of CERTAIN Republicans clinging to power quite succinctly.

I'll let you look up the title of the episode.


6 posted on 11/26/2006 8:11:47 AM PST by rwilson99 (95% of Al-Jazzera Viewers Agree... the world is less safe (for them) since 9/11)
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To: hoosierboy
Democrats, who control the Indiana House, want to eliminate the state's sales tax on gasoline.

Their goal is "compromise."

They want gas stamps (like food stamps) for their "poor" (unemployed by choice) base.

7 posted on 11/26/2006 8:12:35 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: TopDog2

"Cost the state!?!?!?! It would put $300 million back into the hands of consumers. Where it belongs."

"Big government conservatism" needs to experience an early death.


8 posted on 11/26/2006 8:12:52 AM PST by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: hoosierboy

Pennsylvania found out that Gov Ed Rendell wants a gas tax hike of 12.5 cents. We found out a few days after the election. We had a 3.8 cent hike last year. The roads need to be repaired. Rendell gave $412 million of the $942 million federal gov. grant ( to fix roads and bridges) to Septa ( poorly run regional transportation system). The federal
funds were earmarked for road construction and repair.
Rendell now wants to replace diverted money with a tax hike.
Democrats have not changed. Watch for some sort of switch or game they are playing.


9 posted on 11/26/2006 8:14:06 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: hoosierboy

Well of course the Dems were grandstanding in August, but the fickle Hoosier voters are always on the line in whether to vote for the Pubs or Dems. And with good old Governor Mitch in place, he hasn't helped the Pubbies here in the state.

Eliminating the gas tax would be great, and be a benefit to rich and poor, but what are they going to replace it with? Oh I know, increased income taxes on the "rich".


10 posted on 11/26/2006 8:15:15 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: hoosierboy; ElkGroveDan
But the thing is this, WNDU story left out was what would be the democrats alternative(which WNDU left out in their 6 sentence "article").

You all get suckered in my the media it's almost pathetic.

This whole "article" is a drive by media, attempt to sour conservatives.

Hell it worked for the 2006 election, so if ain't broke, why fix it.

11 posted on 11/26/2006 8:16:15 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
But the thing is this, WNDU story left out was what would be the democrats alternative

Sounds to me like the Democrats want to cut the tax.

You all get suckered in my the media it's almost pathetic.

I haven't been "snookered" by anyone. Republicans are staking out an idealogical position inconsistent with all the things I and most others have been fighting for as Republicans. It is perfectly acceptable for me to criticize them.

This isn't baseball where we cheer for the hometown team no matter what they do. This is public policy where actions mean things, and where decisions affect the economy. The Republicans in this story are acting like liberals. They need to stop it and go read some simple economics, like Milton Friedman's "Free to Choose" (available in paperback).

12 posted on 11/26/2006 8:23:27 AM PST by ElkGroveDan ( What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?)
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To: oldironsides
Democrats have not changed. Watch for some sort of switch or game they are playing.

The issue is gas stamps.

They're bringing up gas taxes to draw attention to the cost, and how their unemployed (by choice) base can't afford to pay.

13 posted on 11/26/2006 8:24:14 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: ElkGroveDan
Sounds to me like the Democrats want to cut the tax.

From a six sentence article?

There is a popular radio commercial going around with the tagline "what's the catch" and if I know democrats there is a "catch", and WNDU left it out.

14 posted on 11/26/2006 8:25:59 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: concerned about politics; ElkGroveDan
The issue is gas stamps.

They're(democrats) bringing up gas taxes to draw attention to the cost, and how their unemployed (by choice) base can't afford to pay.

Ah the "catch" that went unreported in the WNDU article. The democrats will probably propose another tax increase elesewhere.

Especially on those "evil" rich.

15 posted on 11/26/2006 8:29:21 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: hoosierboy

state gas tax goes to pay for road repairs including guard railings and surface etc. it would be silly thing for democrats to do....where then would they get the money needed for that task? your other pocket?


16 posted on 11/26/2006 8:46:47 AM PST by river west
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To: concerned about politics
Their goal is "compromise."

They want gas stamps (like food stamps) for their "poor" (unemployed by choice) base.

Exactly and their "compromise" , will be to make the repubs look like the taxers while they provide supplemental help ( stamps) to the down trodden. Hoosiers will suck it up like gravy.

17 posted on 11/26/2006 8:51:49 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and Apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: caver
"but what are they going to replace it with?"

That's not the correct question.

The question to the democRATS is, "We agree with you on the tax cut -- now, which program are you proposing to cut $300 million?"

18 posted on 11/26/2006 8:52:06 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Dane; All
Who are the "evil" rich? What income level is "rich"? When I look around and see people with high incomes...ones who I would classify as rich...these are the very people who are creating jobs around here. They are the entrepreneurs, the economic movers-and-shakers. They develop, create, and expand the economy which raises income for the state. It also makes me ask myself: "According to the Democrats, I'm supposed to hate the rich. But, no matter how hard I try, I can't find one good thing the poor have done for me lately." It would seem to me that policies that make more people rich is better than one that takes away from these productive members of society and gives to the unproductive members. Like they say: "A rising tide lifts all boats".
19 posted on 11/26/2006 8:57:58 AM PST by econjack
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To: hoosierboy

I asked my assembly person, Dario Fromer about this tax way back when, I was laughed at by his office staff.

Jack Scott's office, said No way, we need the money too much.


So. California, State assembly and Senate.


20 posted on 11/26/2006 9:00:47 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: hoosierboy

The reasoning behind a gas tax was to pay for the roads we drive on. Obviously that makes sense.. tax the people who use the services.

So a gas tax isn't a bad thing.. I realize in the article it says make gas exempt from the sales tax. My bet is that the sales tax on gas doesn't go towards road construction so it would make sense to exempt this particular one.

However, I'm not sure that having every road in America a private one is exactly a good idea.


21 posted on 11/26/2006 9:01:21 AM PST by Almondjoy
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To: hoosierboy
A compromise in order to raise taxes on other criteria.

Geez, the liberal media fools another one.

22 posted on 11/26/2006 9:09:59 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: hoosierboy

my state capped the taxes on gases to try to keep the prices lower (forget that we're practically #1 in high gas prices) & guess what? Yup- you guessed it- gas station owners bilked the system & the savings were NEVER passed on to the customers. They lowered prices in less attractive areas while raising their prices in more populated areas to 'compensate' for the 'loss in revenue' they said. Yeah o.k! http://sacredscoop.com


23 posted on 11/26/2006 9:12:49 AM PST by CottShop
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To: hoosierboy

It's quite possible that dems HAVE changed their tune, to some degree, on taxes. They want to stay in power for a long time...A LONG TIME...TIL THE END OF TIME!! The way to do that is to actually govern from the middle. Broad mass appeal to conservatives who realize that the only choice will be Rudy or McCain (both left-wing nut jobs, in conservative clothing). Increased taxes and decreased military only serve to take $$ out of dem pockets as well AND shorten their lives.


24 posted on 11/26/2006 9:26:30 AM PST by albie
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To: Dane

It also worked for O'Bannon in 2000.

The Republicans always get blamed for manipulating oil prices with their buddies in "Big Oil", but wasn't it Clinton who released oil from the Strategic Reserves to curb the price rise in 2000? O"Bannon exempted the sales tax for a few months, till the election was over.


25 posted on 11/26/2006 9:41:36 AM PST by digger48
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To: hoosierboy
The dem. gas tax repeal is in response to Indiana REP.Gov. Mitch Daniels proposed cigarette TAX INCREASE.

Yea GO figure is right.

You would pull your hair out and go insane, trying figure it out!

26 posted on 11/26/2006 9:50:33 AM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: hoosierboy
If they really do mean it, I can't see Republicans NOT voting to eliminate the gas tax.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

27 posted on 11/26/2006 12:34:03 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: TopDog2

Don't you love that, the idea that all money belongs to the government and any not taken in taxes costs THEM. Though, usually, it's the democrats who feel that way.


28 posted on 11/26/2006 12:52:32 PM PST by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: kenth

What's ours is theirs...


29 posted on 11/26/2006 1:20:41 PM PST by TopDog2 (Onward Christian soldiers...)
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To: hoosierboy; Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; ...
"Republicans say exempting gasoline from the state's six percent sales tax could cost the state as much as $300 million a year."





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30 posted on 11/26/2006 2:47:22 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/optimism_nov8th.htm)
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To: builder
What have we become?

We have become a nation of ill-informed zealots rooting for their team, whether they are right or wrong.

Whatever Democrats propose, Republicans oppese, and vice-versa.

Principles don't matter. Power does.

31 posted on 11/26/2006 4:24:48 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

oppese= oppose


32 posted on 11/26/2006 4:26:02 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Bingo.


33 posted on 11/26/2006 7:11:30 PM PST by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: nj26
There's going to be a heck of a problem for national Republican candidates in 2008 if the local GOP party doesn't fix itself in states including Indiana, Ohio, and Colorado.

Governor Daniels will be up for reelection in 2008 and he is becoming increasingly unpopular. If he runs again, I think he will, he could be a drag on any Republican Presidential candidate. The time change is very unpopular. While I don't like it, it isn't enough for me to vote against him. However, many will.

Unless we have a very good Republican Presidential candidate running 2008 don't be surprised that Indiana goes Democrat.

34 posted on 11/26/2006 7:21:04 PM PST by jerry639
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To: builder
What have we become?

Democrats.
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35 posted on 11/27/2006 10:50:55 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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