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Inca justice system eyed by Morales may use whipping
The Washington Times ^ | November 29, 2006 | Anton Foek

Posted on 11/29/2006 7:38:33 AM PST by 3AngelaD

THE HAGUE -- Bolivian President Evo Morales, on a state visit to the Netherlands, said he is searching for a new model of democracy that could include reviving the ancient tradition of whipping petty criminals as an alternative to jail. "When I was a kid I was punished several times, being whipped and lashed," the leftist president said Monday... "Whenever I did something wrong, I received punishment with a chicote [the loose end of a rope], and always believed that the system our ancestors used was better than the system in the northern justice system....," he said. Meanwhile, some 5,000 Indians from across Bolivia converged on La Paz, the capital, yesterday to demand that opposition lawmakers approve a sweeping land reform bill proposed by Mr. Morales... The use of whipping to punish petty crimes in Bolivia dates back to the days of the Incas, when men were known to have walked around carrying colorful ropes in baskets... Mr. Morales, who has irritated the Bush administration by allying himself with Presidents Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and Fidel Castro of Cuba, was invited by the Dutch government... Mr. Morales, who has moved to nationalize foreign oil and gas holdings in his country, was to conclude a deal while in the Netherlands with Royal Dutch Shell, the Anglo-Dutch oil company... Bolivian Energy Minister Carlos Villegas, in The Hague with Mr. Morales, declared that foreign investors are more than welcome in his country... "Brazil's Petrobras and Spain's Repsol have both cut their investments after we reversed the rules of the game, leaving plenty of opportunity for the others in the fields of gas and oil, petrochemicals and iron or steel," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bolivia; celebratediversity; crime; eenrgy; energy; godsgravesglyphs; inca; inka; latinamerica; leo; oil; thewisdomoftheincas; thwack; whips; whuppins; wodlist
The more things change, the more they stay the same.Spare the rope and spoil the child. Next: Mexico reinstates human sacrifice.
1 posted on 11/29/2006 7:38:38 AM PST by 3AngelaD
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To: 3AngelaD

I'm all for torture as a penalty, but I really want it as punishment for physical crimes such as rape or murder.


2 posted on 11/29/2006 7:41:21 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: 3AngelaD

Next, you can get whip for thinking the state isn't god.

And that's lenient.


3 posted on 11/29/2006 7:45:02 AM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: 3AngelaD

I have a feeling that in the end, Mr. Morales will himself receive a whipping at the hands of his own justice system.


4 posted on 11/29/2006 7:46:44 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: 3AngelaD

I'm not going to disagree with Morales here.

How many criminals could have been turned from a life of crime by the short-lived humiliation and pain of the lash? The trouble with many modern penal systems are that they are comfortable, and make it easy for criminals to avoid reality. Comfortable criminals do not reform.

I am way past caring about the "barbaric" nature of corporal punishment. Let Morales use the whip: let's watch and see if it works.


5 posted on 11/29/2006 7:49:14 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: Brilliant

The lilly-livered liberal side of me was shocked and horrified when that kid got his ass whipped for vandalizing cars in Singapore. But I know one thing. I won't vandalize cars in Singapore.


6 posted on 11/29/2006 7:50:42 AM PST by Callahan
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To: 3AngelaD

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/peru/worlds/sacrifice1.html
The Sacrificial Ceremony
by Liesl Clark


The Tanta Carhua Story
"Beautiful beyond exaggeration," is how one Spanish chronicler described Tanta Carhua. Carhua was a ten-year old Inca child whose father offered her to the Inca Emperor as a Capacocha sacrifice. She was taken by priests to Cuzco where she met the Inca Emperor, and on her return journey to the mountain where she would be sacrificed the procession passed through her home village. According to the legends, Tanta Carhua told the village: "You can finish with me now because I could not be more honoured than by the feasts which they celebrated for me in Cuzco."

Tanta Carhua was then taken to a high Andean mountain, placed in a shaft-tomb and walled in alive. Chicha, a maize alcohol, was fed to her both before and after her death. And in death, this beautiful ten-year old child became a goddess, speaking to her people as an oracle from the mountain, which was reconsecrated in her name.

Capacocha
Very little is known about Capacocha, the sacred Inca ceremony of human sacrifice, but with each new archaeological discovery of a sacrificial mummy, more is revealed. The earliest and only known written accounts of the ritual are chronicles written by Spanish conquistador historians. From the chronicles and from each new discovery of a mummy, the pieces of this great puzzle are put together to reveal an intricate and extremely important ritual that involved sacrifice of children, worship of mountains as gods, and elaborate burial procedures.

Sacrifices were often made during or after a portentous event: an earthquake, an epidemic, a drought, or after the death of an Inca Emperor. According to archaeologist Juan Schobinger, "Inca sacrifices often involved the child of a chief. The sacrificed child was thought of as a deity, ensuring a tie between the chief and the Inca emperor, who was considered a descendant of the Sun god. The sacrifice also bestowed an elevated status on the chief's family and descendants." The honour of sacrifice was bestowed not only on the family, but was forever immortalized in the child. It is believed that the sacrificial children had to be perfect, without so much as a blemish or irregularity in their physical beauty.

After a child was chosen or offered to the emperor, a procession would begin from the child's home village to Cuzco, the crown seat of the Inca empire. Priests, family members, and chiefs would accompany the child on this great journey to meet the emperor. Huge ceremonial feasts would take place in Cuzco where the child would meet the emperor and forever bring credit to the family in this important event. Priests would then lead the grand procession to the designated high mountain. Often, a base camp would be established lower on the mountain, at a more comfortable elevation. Here, llamas (which carried up 80-pound loads of soil, grass, and often stones for the camp structures from the villages below) would be coralled, and permanent stone structures would be built to offer shelter to the priests and the child.
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Continued at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/peru/worlds/sacrifice2.html


7 posted on 11/29/2006 7:57:19 AM PST by LRS
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To: agere_contra

Couldn't they just put women's panties on their heads and call it a day?


8 posted on 11/29/2006 7:58:50 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: LRS

That is....seriously sick.


9 posted on 11/29/2006 8:04:11 AM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: agere_contra
I'm not going to disagree with Morales here. How many criminals could have been turned from a life of crime by the short-lived humiliation and pain of the lash? The trouble with many modern penal systems are that they are comfortable, and make it easy for criminals to avoid reality. Comfortable criminals do not reform. I am way past caring about the "barbaric" nature of corporal punishment. Let Morales use the whip: let's watch and see if it works.

I have always felt that a whipping in a public square would be the best punishment for certain crimes - like naming your child "Quaaneesha J'amahl".

10 posted on 11/29/2006 8:05:55 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: agere_contra

I think you're right - it will do more to quickly correct criminals than sitting in a cell watching TV for a year.

BTW, I believe that last whipping performed by a state government was in 1946 in Delaware. Apparently the state law prescribed flogging as a punishment for wife beating. FYI


11 posted on 11/29/2006 8:06:03 AM PST by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: patton
>That is....seriously sick.<

From the continued second page:

Whether the children died a violent death remains a debate among scientists. Skull fractures have been found on most of the sacrificial mummies. Johan Reinhard, who admits Juanita, too, has a skull fracture on the back of her head, believes this was a quick and painless means of knocking the children out so that they wouldn't have to suffer a long and grueling death of exposure to the elements. He believes the children were knocked out with a blow to a cushioning towel on the backs of their heads.

Ahhh!How thoughtful of them!

12 posted on 11/29/2006 8:10:00 AM PST by LRS
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To: LRS
No, the sick part, is a politician killing its child for political gain.

Somehow reminds me of the Clintons.

13 posted on 11/29/2006 8:17:11 AM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: 3AngelaD

Back to the future.


14 posted on 11/29/2006 8:19:08 AM PST by wildbill
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To: 3AngelaD

Watch all the Leftists who go wild over alleged human rights infractions at Abu Graib and Guantanamo suddenly laud physical punishment if practiced by a Leftist dictator wannabe like Morales.


15 posted on 11/29/2006 8:26:57 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: patton

Human sacrifice was the norm in Pre-columbian civilizations, although Latin Americans refuse to talk about it and many are in deep denial that it happened. It went on for centuries, and only ended with the Spanish (not that the Spanish didn't do their fair share of slaughter when they arrived, but it was not ritual slaughter to ensure that the sun came up each day.) Read up on the Aztecs and other meso-American cultures. Check out the Temple of Skulls at Chichen Itza (Maya) or the sacrifical knives at the Templo Mayor in Mexico City (Aztec) or the wall painting of the torture and killing of defeated enemies at Bonampak (Maya again). Or read up on the children who were buried alive by Incas for sacrifical purposes. This is the mindset that Morales brings to government, make no mistake. Whipping would be the least of it.


16 posted on 11/29/2006 8:31:21 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: 3AngelaD

Burying a child alive for political gain - sound like a democrat.


17 posted on 11/29/2006 8:35:30 AM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: 3AngelaD


Whipping? But aren't all Marxists great humanitarians?


18 posted on 11/29/2006 8:37:18 AM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Tokra

Or the stocks!

What I wouldn't give too see a few unnamed politicians there waiting for my rotten tomato.


19 posted on 11/29/2006 9:32:27 AM PST by bordergal (There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men bad enough for this treachery)
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To: 3AngelaD
"reviving the ancient tradition of whipping petty criminals"

Why limit this to "petty criminals" - let's have whipping for big criminals like liberal pols, corrupt UN diplomats, and terrorists!! In these cases it would not be an alternative to jail time but an introduction to jail.....
20 posted on 11/29/2006 9:45:48 AM PST by Enchante (America-haters and Terrorists Around the World Embrace Chamberlain Democrats)
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To: 3AngelaD

Wow. Great.
Is he going to bring back infanticide too? Ritual sacrifice?

They should go back to their Inca roots and give up the wheel too.


21 posted on 11/29/2006 10:23:33 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: 3AngelaD
Read up on the Aztecs and other meso-American cultures. Check out the Temple of Skulls at Chichen Itza (Maya) or the sacrifical knives at the Templo Mayor in Mexico City (Aztec) or the wall painting of the torture and killing of defeated enemies at Bonampak (Maya again). Or read up on the children who were buried alive by Incas for sacrifical purposes. This is the mindset that Morales brings to government, make no mistake. Whipping would be the least of it.

The Aztecs were sacrificing so many victims each day that they had channels built along the edge of the pyramids for all the blood to flow. At their peak they were killing hundreds a day. Not just "killing" - they would plunge a knife into the victims chest and pull out the still-beating heart and throw it on a charcoal burner.

Noble Savage, indeed.

22 posted on 11/29/2006 10:40:37 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Brilliant

LOL!!!


23 posted on 11/29/2006 5:21:10 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: 3AngelaD
"Whenever I did something wrong, I received punishment with a chicote [the loose end of a rope], and always believed that the system our ancestors used was better than the system in the northern justice system. It's much more democratic," he said. He must mean democrats. Celebrate diversity. Inca Sharia, what a concept. This dork has also praised the taliban and said he wants to run Bolivia just like them. I think some international observer report said that the Taliban was running things just like Bolivia, or the Marxist FARC narcotrafficantes or something. The synergies abound!
24 posted on 11/29/2006 5:26:36 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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