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Christians Must 'let go' Some Beliefs For Sake of Peace, Theologian Says (MSM lies - See Post 28)
Tennessean.com ^ | 11/29/2006 | ANITA WADHWANI

Posted on 11/30/2006 2:05:10 AM PST by Dallas59

To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth, a Lipscomb University theologian told an interfaith gathering at the university.

"We are not going to get very far in our relationship with Jews or Muslims if we do not let go of this idea," Lipscomb professor Lee Camp said at Tuesday's conference.

The unusual gathering of several dozen clergy and lay people was devoted to resolving religious conflict in Nashville and around the world.

"We need to forsake the Christendom model," Camp said. "The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?"

Co-sponsored by the First Amendment Center at Vanderbilt University, the daylong conference was prompted by a desire to begin a dialogue about global religious conflict.

After five years of rising gas prices, disturbing privacy issues that followed the Sept. 11 attacks and the fear of terrorism, it became apparent that everyday life in Nashville is directly affected by religious conflicts in the Middle East and elsewhere, conference organizers said.

"We felt like the larger community is calling for this," said Larry Bridgesmith, executive director of Lipscomb's newly established Institute for Conflict Management.

Panelists representing different faiths presented their own views on how to begin to bridge the religious divide.

For Kahled Sakalla, a spokesman for the Islamic Center of Nashville, some of the answers lie in better education about Islam in the non-Muslim world.

Allah, the God Muslims worship, is the same God Christians and Jews worship, and the Quran recounts the same biblical stories of Mary and Jesus, he said.

"Yes, we have differences, but it's important to focus on commonalities," said Sakalla, one of four panelists representing different faiths who addressed the Lipscomb conference.

Mark Schiftan, rabbi of the Temple in Belle Meade, said he also believes people of faith must begin to look for common ground.

"If all of us believe we were created in God's image, then we have to believe that everyone else is also created in God's image," Schiftan said.

Charles McGowan, president of the Christian group Operation Andrew said: "It's important to us in Nashville that we be proactive. Religious leaders must engage one another if we are going to experience in this city the peace and calm we all desire."

But the issues that have divided the world's religions for millennia are so deep and fundamental — ranging from the question of whether the land of Israel rightfully belongs to the Jews and whether there is one way to salvation — that tackling them will require both dialogue with other faiths and a more introspective look at one's own beliefs, panelists said.

Some liberal theologians have suggested that different faiths are all variations on one another and that beliefs are all basically the same, a position with which Camp deeply disagrees.

Instead, he believes, Christians must not back away from their beliefs but further examine them and their own history.

First, Christians must examine their "sins of omission," he said — such as not taking the time to learn about other religions. Then they must look at their "sins of commission."

"We have such short historical (memory) spans as white Christians," he said. "There is a history of anti-Semitism, the violence and bloodshed of the crusades and cultural imperialism. We have to deal with the reality of what Christians have done, which in some cases has been to kill people."

Camp described himself as a conservative Christian but conceded his opinions may be viewed as "radical" by other evangelical Christians.

Christians must shed the idea that they need to promulgate a worldwide Christianity, he said.

"If I hold to a model of Jesus … what I've committed to in my baptism is loving my enemy," Lee said. "I'm committed to not killing you, but to serving and honoring you. It's an exclusive commitment to the way of Christ, not to the exclusive authority of Christ."

Sakalla said there may never be reconciliation on the fundamental theological divisions.

"Every religion has different teachings," he said. "For Muslims, it's: Do you believe in one God and that Muhammad" is his prophet? "I don't think we can teach individuals that the way you go to heaven in other religions is OK. You have to teach differences." •


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Jesus is the Son of God and NOT a prophet of the fake Allah.
1 posted on 11/30/2006 2:05:13 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

From LGF


2 posted on 11/30/2006 2:06:21 AM PST by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: Dallas59

Islam is a rip-off of Christianity. I find it curious that he did not make the same request of Muslims. Just another attack on Christians.


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3 posted on 11/30/2006 2:09:38 AM PST by xuberalles (Anti-Liberal Novelties, Titillating Tees! http://www.cafepress.com/titillatingtees)
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To: Dallas59
Christians must shed the idea that they need to promulgate a worldwide Christianity, he said.

Mark 16:15:

And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."

No, Christians do not have to "shed the idea" that they need to disregard this commandment of God's.

4 posted on 11/30/2006 2:12:39 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: xuberalles

I should've said: CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION.


5 posted on 11/30/2006 2:12:48 AM PST by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: Dallas59

Oh all right, as long as it's just little things like Jesus not being the son of God.


6 posted on 11/30/2006 2:13:28 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Dallas59

No worries...that works too!


7 posted on 11/30/2006 2:14:27 AM PST by xuberalles (Anti-Liberal Novelties, Titillating Tees! http://www.cafepress.com/titillatingtees)
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To: Dallas59
"To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth,...

This is being used to infer that the rest of the world is what needs to change, In order for anyone to live peaceably with Muslims, Muslims have to stop murdering people - it,s really as simple as that.

8 posted on 11/30/2006 2:16:36 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (Religion of peace my arse - We need a maintenance Crusade - piss on Islam)
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To: Dallas59

"that tackling them will require both dialogue with other faiths and a more introspective look at one's own beliefs,"

The dialog chosen by the Muslims was flying planes into buildings; discussion OVER!


9 posted on 11/30/2006 2:17:44 AM PST by xowboy (My Parents were Right.......Love It or Leave It.)
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To: Dallas59

This is the biggest bunch of bull I've read in a long time.
It's from "The Onion" right? If not, it should be. We don't "let go" the fact that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary.

If anything Moslems have to "Let Go" of killing us infidels.
If they will do that I will "Let Go" of saying "Islam Sucks".


10 posted on 11/30/2006 2:17:58 AM PST by Recall
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To: xuberalles; Dallas59
Yes. Islam started as a variant of the Christian Arian heresy, which held Christ to be a great human -- period. Then all of the ideas of Mohamed were added.

However it is too bad that the headline used (Jesus Not Son Of God), did not appear in the article, nor any synonymous paraphrase of it.

11 posted on 11/30/2006 2:18:04 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (I went down in 1964 for Barry Goldwater with all flags flying! This is just a blip!)
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To: Dallas59

Well pass the moderate middle their victory medals.


The reason and purpose of why Christ would use Peter as example of denying Him thrice gets significant clarity after reading this.


12 posted on 11/30/2006 2:20:12 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Dallas59
"Allah, the God Muslims worship, is the same God Christians and Jews worship, and the Quran recounts the same biblical stories of Mary and Jesus, he said."

Not surprising that a false Christian like Camp would remain silent when Sakalla told this lie.

13 posted on 11/30/2006 2:22:59 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte

The way I read it, the Koran has Mary holding onto a Palm tree for dear life while delivering Jesus..nope, not the same story.


14 posted on 11/30/2006 2:26:53 AM PST by Recall
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To: Dallas59
To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth....

Isn't it the muzzies that want to create a muslim kingdom on Earth NOW?

I also didn't know we were not living peacefully with the Jews.

(Must be true, a college prof. said so...)

15 posted on 11/30/2006 2:27:16 AM PST by dirtbiker ("Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge..." Proverbs 1:7)
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To: Dallas59

So this guy who calls himself a Christian theologian is preaching that fellow Christians need to abandon their faith in the divinity of Jesus Christ so as not to offend Muslims.

Interesting. I wonder if he would also counsel all those who just plain believe in God to abandon that bit of faith as well so as not to offend atheists. I don't think so, since there is currently no movement among overzealous atheists worldwide to strap bombs to themselves and blow up random civilians. Even speaking as a person who holds no religious faith, myself, I'm appalled at this person's blatant lack of respect for the sincere religious beliefs of others.

I would label this as just plain COWARDICE on his part and I think that he would benefit from going back to read the accounts as told in all four gospels of when Peter three times falsely denied knowing Jesus when confronted by an angry crowd.


16 posted on 11/30/2006 2:28:23 AM PST by spinestein (There is no pile of pennies so large that I won't throw two more on top.)
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To: Dallas59
To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth, a Lipscomb University theologian told an interfaith gathering at the university.

Does this moron think the muslims are going to put aside their notion of an islamic theocracy on earth? The muslims idea of peace on earth is to kill everyone who is not a muslim and who refuses to convert.

17 posted on 11/30/2006 2:29:41 AM PST by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
That was my doing and that's what I got out of this sentence..

""We need to forsake the Christendom model," Camp said. "The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?"
18 posted on 11/30/2006 2:30:32 AM PST by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: All

ON THE NET...

http://forums.tennessean.com/viewtopic.php?t=13232


20 posted on 11/30/2006 2:32:57 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Dallas59
"We felt like the larger community is calling for this..."

"Can't we all just get along?"

"Yes, we have differences, but it's important to focus on commonalities..."

Sorry, I'm having a hard time getting past the difference muzzies want to behead infidels, molest women and children, and receive (whatever number) of virgins in heaven for blowing themselves up....

(I actually have no problem with them blowing themselves up, it's when they kill innocents doing it...)

21 posted on 11/30/2006 2:34:32 AM PST by dirtbiker ("Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge..." Proverbs 1:7)
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To: Dallas59
Mat 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

Pretty much covers it!

22 posted on 11/30/2006 2:38:30 AM PST by mitch5501 (typical)
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To: Dallas59
Camp described himself as a conservative Christian but conceded his opinions may be viewed as "radical" by other evangelical Christians.

Ya think? Really? I mean except for that "Jesus thing", we're OK, aren't we?

23 posted on 11/30/2006 2:38:33 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Dallas59

Lipscomb professor Lee Camp - Useful idiot of Satan Du Jour


24 posted on 11/30/2006 2:38:46 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: All

QUOTE:

From The Bible:
Matthew 7:15-20
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


25 posted on 11/30/2006 2:39:12 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Dallas59
that's what I got out of this sentence..

Remember, Jesus has many titles (I love the 'Hallelujah Chorus' from Handel's Messiah, which lists many of them). It is understandable to jump to this conclusion, but this dhimmi wannabee probably deliberately avoided the title you mentioned. As far as I can see, most of this stuff does not technically oppose the Nicene Creed.

26 posted on 11/30/2006 2:42:19 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (I went down in 1964 for Barry Goldwater with all flags flying! This is just a blip!)
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To: Cindy

That pretty much sums it up.


27 posted on 11/30/2006 2:42:22 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Dallas59

It seems this is a MSM INIQUITY (Twisting and Perverting of the Truth) ALERT. Here is the reply from the prof and Lipsomb university

http://www.lipscomb.edu/filter.asp?SID=4&fi_key=657&co_key=10941



Lipscomb professor responds to Tennessean article
On November 28, 2006, Lipscomb University held a historic meeting for the city of Nashville and the surrounding community. The Institute for Conflict Management invited individuals with differing religious beliefs to come to campus and participate in a dialogue. That purpose is consistent with one mission of this institution: to proclaim our faith and values to a broader community. For those engaged in the day long endeavor, the program was enthusiastically endorsed.

As is often the case in dealing with difficult questions, misunderstandings or misinterpretations can occur. By now many of you have read the Tennessean article or heard various news reports purporting to summarize comments by Dr. Lee Camp. Having been a participant in that seminar and heard Professor Camp’s statements, I can assure you the article printed in the Tennessean did not accurately reflect the substance of Dr. Camp’s presentation or his personal beliefs.

As a point of clarification, Dr. Camp has provided the following summary statement of his presentation and beliefs.

“On Tuesday, Lipscomb University’s Institute for Conflict Management hosted an “Invitation to Dialogue: Conversations on Religious Conflict.” The full-day program included a variety of speakers, and from a broad range of backgrounds: Jewish, Islamic, and Buddhist, as well as Catholic and Protestant. My assignment for the day was to articulate the “Theological Ground for Peaceful Co-Existence.” Due to a front-page story in The Tennessean that mis-characterized my lecture and beliefs, numerous questions have been raised regarding what I believe, and what I said. Many have expressed feelings of dismay in response to the story, feelings I also shared when I read the report. Brief news stories can seldom do justice to substantive conversations.

“The dialogue prior to my lecture had been most encouraging and refreshing: numerous speakers had insisted that Jews, Muslims, and Christians must not pretend that our differences are insignificant. Moreover, we can acknowledge the seriousness of the differences, while honoring one another. Such conversation encouraged me, precisely because I have long disagreed with those who say that Jews, Muslims, and Christians are all “saying the same thing.” Serious adherents of their respective faiths know this is not the case.

“In my lecture, I too insisted that we must not discard what is most important to us. I am a Christian who holds, without apology, to the Lordship of Jesus. I cannot accept any strategy of “conflict resolution” that asks me to set aside that particular claim. I believe and teach that Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

“This exclusive claim of the authority of Christ thus presents a problem for “conflict management.” I went on to ask these questions: How can the Jew or Muslim trust us Christians if we hold onto the exclusive Lordship of Jesus? Given that I refuse to deny the Lordship of Jesus, what can I or other Christians possibly contribute to peace-making, whether global or local?

“Here is my answer: Because I profess that Jesus is Lord of Lords, I have committed myself to loving both neighbor and enemy. Because I profess that Jesus is King of Kings, I have committed myself to serving and honoring all people. Because I profess that Jesus is the ultimate authority to which all other authorities must submit, that authority requires of me to extend gracious, generous hospitality to the stranger, the pilgrim, and those who do not see the world as I see it.

“This, of course, is not how the authority of Christ has always been practiced. In serious dialog with Jews and Muslims, we American Christians, who tend to have very short historical attention spans, must acknowledge the sins of Christian history. The claim of the Lordship of Jesus has often been divorced from Jesus’ call to be merciful to those with whom we differ. In fact, the claim has often served as a battle-cry, an imperialistic profession used to destroy Jews and Muslims. In view of this history, Jews and Muslims have good reasons for not trusting those who wear the name Christian.

“Because I profess Jesus as Lord, I must let go of any strategy that seeks to violently impose “Jesus is Lord” upon another. I believe and profess “Jesus is Lord,” and am compelled by Jesus’ Lordship to share this Good News world-wide. But if such sharing treats others in a way contrary to the teachings of Jesus, I have thereby denied my profession. I choose not only to proclaim that “Jesus is Lord,” but to live Jesus as Lord, among all—believer or unbeliever, Catholic or Protestant, Muslim or Jew.”

Lee C. Camp
Assoc. Professor of Theology & Ethics
Lipscomb University
29 November 2006

Upon learning of the article in the Tennessean, we reviewed Dr. Camp’s actual comments and sought perspectives from conference attendees. This e-mail from Charles McGowan, a prominent religious leader, was consistent with other comments we received:

“The Tennessean did Lipscomb and Dr. Lee Camp a great disservice in how they reported his remarks. He absolutely did not say what the paper reported him to have said. … I commend Lipscomb University for this bold step and for creating a table to which we would invite Muslims and Jews. It is, however, a risky place and one that requires much grace and wisdom which I believe God will give us if we humbly seek His face.”

As an administration, we believe that continuing this dialogue is essential to fulfilling the ministry of reconciliation to which we have been called and for which Christ died. The ministry of reconciliation is not without risk and is sometimes difficult. As we participate in this dialogue, I encourage each of us to practice the principles of
Matthew 18 as we engage in community with each other.

L. Randolph Lowry III
President, Lipscomb University


28 posted on 11/30/2006 2:44:51 AM PST by Louisiana (Consider the Source)
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To: trisham

Yep.


29 posted on 11/30/2006 2:45:13 AM PST by Cindy
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To: All
What do you make of Mark Mardell's interpretation of Mr. Benedict's views on Christianity and Greek tradition: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6195574.stm ?

Is this actually Benedict's stance, or merely the misinterpretation of an atheist/agnostic?

30 posted on 11/30/2006 2:45:31 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: Dallas59
"We need to forsake the Christendom model," Camp said. "The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?"

Muslims have no need of trusintg Christians since Christians are not asking for their trust. The only thing Christians need of Muslims is for them to put their guns and knives away.

The more pertinent question is how can Christians trust Muslims when their religion explicitly endorses lying to Christians to gain advantage for Islam, and killing Christians when lying doesn't work?

31 posted on 11/30/2006 2:45:52 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: Dallas59

Muslims do not worship God, although their deity does have trappings of God (as Islam does have trappings of Judaism and Christianity).


32 posted on 11/30/2006 2:46:44 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: Dallas59

Wow, this Camp dude is evil. He needs to be stripped of his credentials and sent to the same place as Ted Haggard.


33 posted on 11/30/2006 2:47:07 AM PST by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: Dallas59

Our God is NOT the same as the god of Islam.

Christianity is centered on the fact that Jesus is God, not a knock-off.

Christianity leads to salvation; Islam is a death cult.


Funny how the liberal "theologians" don't want Christians to claim exclusive beliefs, but they are scared sh@tless to challenge Moslems on their exclusive beliefs.

Can't we all just get along?

Short answer: No.


34 posted on 11/30/2006 2:48:19 AM PST by exit82 (Clinton didn't try. He just failed.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
What do you make of Mark Mardell's interpretation of Mr. Benedict's views on Christianity and Greek tradition?

Mr. Benedict?

35 posted on 11/30/2006 2:52:01 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: BlessedBeGod

Easier than using Ratzinger (spelling?). His last name is long and uncommon in the United States, so to spell properly, Benedict was used. Mr. was also used purposefully.


36 posted on 11/30/2006 2:55:07 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: Dallas59
Don't recall having any problems living side-by-side with Jews in America. Catholics and Jews in my neighborhood get along just fine.

On the other hand, Muslims who have moved into my Boston neighborhood seem standoffish...remote. It's a tad unnerving but it takes time to get to know people.

I don't think I have to give up my belief in Jesus Christ as my Savior to get along with Jews or Muslims. If they have a problem with my beliefs...it's their problem not mine!!!


37 posted on 11/30/2006 2:55:27 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: Dallas59

Who the heck is lee camp? I've never heard of him. Perhaps he equates himself with Christ as an expert on God?


38 posted on 11/30/2006 2:57:08 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Dallas59

This world is filled with Traitors of one sort of another.

We have traitors to our country, we have some on capitol Hill. We have traitors in our colleges, now this man is a traitor to his religion.


"There is a history of anti-Semitism, the violence and bloodshed of the crusades and cultural imperialism. We have to deal with the reality of what Christians have done, which in some cases has been to kill people." *******

Yes Christians have killed people, Jews have killed people, Islamics have killed people. Why mut it be Christians who give up their faith.

This man is slime and stupid to boot IMO.


39 posted on 11/30/2006 2:59:53 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Dallas59

Are these people drugged? Do they get a rebate on gas produced from Muslims oil producing states? Where are they getting their information about Islam?

In Africa alone they've encroached on and brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands innocent non-Muslim civilians, raped the women and enslaved the children. And that's just the last year and doesn't include the millions that have faced similar fates in the last decade.


40 posted on 11/30/2006 3:00:40 AM PST by backtothestreets (Invite Jesus to pray with you.)
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To: All
Camp was SERIOUSLY MISQUOTED - See Post 28

Or follow this link.

http://www.lipscomb.edu/filter.asp?SID=4&fi_key=657&co_key=10941

41 posted on 11/30/2006 3:01:08 AM PST by Louisiana (Consider the Source)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
The correct name is Pope Benedict. Only two more letters than "Mr.," and you get the name right. See how easy it is?

Kind of like the difference between "President" Bush and the "Mr." Bush that the MSM likes to diss him with.

42 posted on 11/30/2006 3:01:14 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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Anyone can call themselves a 'theologian'.

I declare myself one and say that there will never be peace in the World until Jews are no longer Jews and Muslims are no longer Muslims. Further more, they must accept Jesus.....

That is basically the same thing that this hack who is somehow labeled a 'theologian' is asking Christians to do.

So is not my opinion/judgement just as valid as his ????


This man calls for this and he still thinks of himself as a Christian ????
43 posted on 11/30/2006 3:02:29 AM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: Dallas59

This guy's a maroon. Let's just roll over, give up our faith so that the Muzzies can steamroll us with theirs. Right. Gotcha.

Idiot.


44 posted on 11/30/2006 3:04:24 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Dallas59

Christians and Jews have lived side by side for eons. Muslims are the ones that must, I repeat, MUST examine their sins of omission.


45 posted on 11/30/2006 3:04:29 AM PST by yoe
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"We have such short historical (memory) spans as white Christians," he said. "There is a history of anti-Semitism, the violence and bloodshed of the crusades and cultural imperialism. We have to deal with the reality of what Christians have done, which in some cases has been to kill people."

School children are taught and reminded of those every day as well as fed distortions of such. Why are they not also taught the comparable sins of the Jews and the Moslems ???
46 posted on 11/30/2006 3:08:03 AM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: Louisiana
It's hard to know how Camp proposes to "get along" with muslims when their own koran says there's only three ways to do that -- convert, become dhimmi or die.

Which do you choose, Dr. Camp?

47 posted on 11/30/2006 3:10:00 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Dallas59

this can only be fair if I first can post the prophet mohammeds picture in both faltering and unflatering poses....

,.........but no it is an unfair diatribe spewed by a self castrated 'Peace in our time' 'Chamberlain'.

What a Wuss.


48 posted on 11/30/2006 3:11:00 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: BlessedBeGod
Except for the fact that President Bush is the president (of the United States). The term which you so obviously want to be used for Mr. Ratzinger is iffy.

You can be offended all you want, if you want, though that was not the intent.

49 posted on 11/30/2006 3:11:10 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: Louisiana

Thanks for posting this, Louisiana. My blood pressure just dropped 20 points. Now, the questions are "Did a major newspaper lie?" (can't believe THAT would happen /s/) or is it CYA time for Mr. Camp?


50 posted on 11/30/2006 3:11:54 AM PST by Humal
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