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Victim Describes Beating (Black Mob Attack on White Girls in Long Beach, CA on Halloween)
Long Beach Press-Telegram ^ | 10/2/06 | Tracy Manzer

Posted on 12/02/2006 9:58:08 AM PST by Yaelle

LONG BEACH - A 21-year-old woman who had a dozen bones on one side of her face shattered during a Halloween attack testified in court Friday, recalling the beating in chilling detail.

The victim - who asked the Press-Telegram in previous interviews to be identified by only her first name, Loren, out of concern for her safety - was with two friends visiting a haunted house in Bixby Knolls when the three white women were attacked by a group of black youths.

She appeared composed and confident while on the witness stand. The only moment that revealed any nervousness came as she stood next to a diagram where she was asked to note her position and the position of her friends and the attackers at the time of the beating.

As Deputy District Attorney Andrea Bouas and several defense attorneys stopped for a brief discussion, Loren nervously capped and uncapped a red marker as she waited for the prosecutor's questions to resume.

Loren's mother said outside court that the 21-year-old victim was horribly nervous about testifying, having never done it before.

Her daughter is also struggling with her extensive injuries, she said. A team of doctors, including two surgeons, are trying to determine Advertisement how best to treat her dizzy spells and her drooping eye.

Several of her teeth have died and will have to be replaced with a partial plate. No one yet knows if she will regain the sight partially lost in the one eye.

She is studying photography, and her injuries forced her to drop all her college classes this year. Her injuries could destroy her dreams of pursuing a career as a professional photographer.

Loren was perhaps the most seriously hurt the night of the attack, which resulted in the arrest of 10 Long Beach youths - 9 girls and one boy, ages 12 to 19 - within moments of the 9:30 p.m. beating.

A few days later, police arrested two 17-year-old males, both from Long Beach. They have been charged with the same counts for which the 10 minors are currently being tried, or adjudicated as it is called in juvenile court.

The charge includes three felony counts of assault by any means of force to produce great bodily injury. Eight of the 10 minors currently in court had a hate crime enhancement added to their charges, and the two 17-year-old boys - whose adjudications are set for early January - also face the hate crime allegation.

All of the minors are black, and witness statements that the youths shouted racial slurs while beating the three victims have resulted in community and nationwide outrage.

Court proceedings so far have been slow, due in part to the difficulty of transporting the 10 minors to the Long Beach courthouse from various Los Angeles County juvenile detention centers.

Each minor has his or her own attorney, to avoid a conflict of interest, making for drawn-out arguments at times.

Friday's session, scheduled to begin at 1:30 p.m., started late after the prosecutor argued defense lawyers had violated Superior Court Judge Gibson Lee's order the previous day.

On Thursday, defense attorneys told reporters they changed the seating of the defendants. Until then, all the minors had sat directly behind their attorneys.

When the district attorney asked the first witness to take the stand to identify the minors in court Thursday, she matched the wrong police photograph to one of the girls in court.

Defense attorneys seized on the mistake. During cross examination the witness admitted the error, saying she could not see all of the defendants and therefore picked the wrong one. After further prompting, she said she based her identification the night of the arrest largely on what the minors were wearing, not their facial features.

Prior to the start of testimony Friday, Bouas argued that the defense attorneys had talked about moving the defendants but were told by the judge not to, according to bailiffs and officers in the closed courtroom.

The minors were rearranged anyway and Bouas accused the defense of running a "shell game," officers said.

Many of the defense attorneys became angry at the accusation, the officers said. They told the judge they did not know how the youths had been rearranged, but agreed to have the minors seated behind their assigned lawyer from now on.

"The judge stopped short of saying they violated an order," one officer said. "But he made it clear that it would not happen again."

All the officers spoke on condition of anonymity.

Once that matter was settled, the public was allowed into the courtroom and Bouas began with Loren's testimony.

Loren described how she and her friends began the night at her house, where they dressed in their costumes - she as Betty Boop, her friend Michelle as a pirate and her friend Laura as a vampire.

They had decided to go see the haunted house, located on Linden Avenue at the corner of Bixby Road, while they were waiting for a fourth friend to get off work. That was when they were all going to go to a costume party, she said.

When she and her friends arrived at the haunted house, she said, a young black male - whom she estimated to be 17 to 19 years old - was standing with a group of youths and began hollering "Are you with it?" at her and her friends while grabbing his crotch.

After the victims made their way through the haunted house and returned to the front yard where they had started, she noticed the crowd had grown larger and included girls and boys.

"He said, `Are you with it?' again," Loren testified. "He was loud, he was yelling."

The crowd was also getting louder and more boisterous and the victims could hear other things, she said.

"I heard them (say) something about the white people and `white b---."' Loren testified.

She described trying to walk away and being pelted with pumpkins and lemons. She was hit in the back of the head and in her back. The force was strong enough to cause pain, she recalled.

She also recalled seeing one of her friends - Laura - get hit in the back and in the legs. That is when her friend turned around and told the crowd to stop.

As Laura turned back toward Loren and Michelle, she said, she saw at least two girls grab that friend by her long hair and her dress and yank her backward.

"I heard one voice say, `I f------ hate white people,"' Loren testified.

It was a male voice that shouted the statement, loud enough to be heard over the shouting crowd, she said.

At about the same time she said she heard male and female voices saying, "white b---," and the group surged toward Laura, partially surrounding her friend and cutting off her access to Michelle and Loren.

Loren recalled yelling to Michelle that they were getting separated. Michelle was shouting back that she was calling 911 as she dialed her cell phone.

The victim described, and was asked to demonstrate, how her friend was knocked to the ground. Loren then recalled seeing a young man flip a skateboard he had at his side up over his head.

"I saw him flip it up and swing in the direction of Laura," she testified, describing the suspect as black, tall and with a medium build, adding that he was big but not overweight.

His hair was close to his head, in either braids or corn rows, she added.

Loren said she rushed back to Laura but was quickly surrounded by a group of about a dozen people, mostly girls. They circled her in two rows, one inside the other, she described.

She first felt someone kick the back of her leg, just below her knee, and her leg buckled. But she did not fall, the victim testified.

Punches to her face and the back of her head rained down on her, with more than one person hitting her and most of them girls, she said.

She felt her left cheek pop from the force of one extremely strong blow and assumed it was from a male.

She said she ducked her face and flailed her arms, trying to stop her attackers, but they continued beating her.

"I could feel the rhythm of one-two ... getting punched in the back of the head and the face," she recalled.

She was eventually knocked to the ground when she tried to flip open her cell phone to call for help, and it was knocked out of her hand, she said.

Many of them were girls, she said. Some were wearing sweaters with the Rocawear logo, several had braids and some wore hoop earrings, Loren testified.

Rocawear is a popular line of clothing created by rapper Jay-Z.

Curled in a ball on her knees, Loren said she wrapped her arms over her head and kept her legs tucked under her body. She could feel people pounding her with their fists and kicking her, striking her on top of her head, around her face, her back and up and down her body, she said.

"Once I hit the ground, I remember being kicked by what I thought was a man," she testified. "Because the force was so hard, and when I looked up I thought I could see ... male legs."

At one point, she peered out from under her arm and said she could see one of her friends laying on the ground.

"She was being stepped on," she testified. "It looked like males."

It didn't stop until a black man ran up and began pulling people off her, Loren said. She recalled him yelling at the youths to stop.

She said a young black woman grabbed her under her arms and helped her stand up, taking her closer to where her friends were standing.

The woman screamed for ice for the victim's swollen and bloody face as neighbors began to come forward, Loren recalled.

"I was bleeding really bad and grabbing at my nose," she said.

The police arrived first, followed by paramedics. Not long afterward, officers told her that they had found some people who might have been involved and wanted to drive her to a nearby parking lot to see if she could identify those people.

The victims were taken in separate vehicles one at a time, Loren said.

She sat in a police SUV with an officer who wrote down what she said as a line of youths was asked to come forward one by one into the glare of several police headlights and search lights.

She said she immediately recognized the first person, a girl in a white shirt, and told the officer, "Yeah, that's the one that beat my friend. I think she was attacking Laura."

Loren explained in court that the reason she told the officer she thought it was the girl who attacked her friend, rather than say she knew it was the girl, was because she had been instructed to be as specific as possible.

She had seen the girl going toward Laura, she said.

"She was attacking Laura, but I wasn't positive she was punching her or pushing her," Loren explained.

She also said she wasn't able to identify all the minors arrested that night.

As the district attorney began to show the victim police photos taken of the 10 youths in the parking lot, several defense attorneys objected.

Showing the victim the photos before asking her to identify the minors in court would coach her into saying precisely what the prosecutor wanted, they argued.

The same objection was raised with the first witness to testify; an 18-year-old who was in the area with her baby, her friend and her younger sister at the time of the beating. As in the first witness' case, the judge overruled the objection but it was quickly followed by several others made by most of the 10 defense attorneys in court.

Judge Lee ended Friday's proceedings at that point, saying he would return to the issue next week. Court is expected to resume Monday at 1:30 p.m.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: attack; black; hatecrime; racism; white
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I nearly get sick reading this. I would if it happened across the country but moreso as I was trick-or-treating with my sons only blocks away from this attack. This is one of the most vicious attacks I've ever heard of. You talk about your hate crimes.

Where's Jesse? Where's Al? Where's the NAACP? Ohh, that's right. The NAACP says they are "withholding judgement" as to whether or not this is a hate crime. Bet if the perps were 30 white youths and the vics were three innocent black girls, they'd find some "judgement." In this case, Jesse would only probably show up for the perps.

Everyone, if you haven't been following this story and would like to know more, here are some more links.

The victims share stories of the attack : here

Long Beach officials want a Hate Crime definition so tight it would not include the Reginald Denny beating in the Rodney King riots: here

Excellent report on the neighborhood "Kumbaya" meeting in which the local councilwoman attacked the media, saying she didn't want this "incident" to get as much coverage as it has; said meeting was NOT supposed to get out beyond those "directly affected" (because surely no one in SoCal needs to know that white teens can be marauded by wild packs of murderous black youths): here

Here is the Long Beach Press Telegram's public spanking of the councilwoman: here

NAACP does a little tap-dancing but condemns the vicious attack: here

One of the several previous FR links on the story http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1744929/posts

1 posted on 12/02/2006 9:58:16 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
....resulted in community and nationwide outrage.

Have Sharpton and Jackson expressed their outrage yet?

2 posted on 12/02/2006 10:01:42 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Yaelle
Bet if the perps were 30 white youths and the vics were three innocent black girls, they'd find some "judgement." In this case, Jesse would only probably show up for the perps.

Yeah, you just have to look at the Duke case to prove that. In the Duke case there is no evidence that a crime even took place and yet they are all guilty even the ones that can prove they weren't there.

3 posted on 12/02/2006 10:04:42 AM PST by Always Right
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To: BnBlFlag; bobby.223; JustaDumbBlonde; BurbankKarl; Eagles6; spinestein; Lurker; dhs12345; Sender; ..

Black youths mob and attack innocent white girls Long Beach Hate Crime PING!


4 posted on 12/02/2006 10:06:11 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

These are the "folks" that will keep the dreaded "N" word alive and appropriate.

Semper Fi


5 posted on 12/02/2006 10:07:04 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

There hasn't been nearly as much outrage expressed over this despicable, loathsome act as there has over a few WORDS from a washed-up comedian!


6 posted on 12/02/2006 10:07:24 AM PST by Verloona Ti
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To: Yaelle

"Black youths mob and attack innocent white girls Long Beach Hate Crime PING!"

No no... Long Beach is a third world ountry!


7 posted on 12/02/2006 10:08:30 AM PST by e_castillo
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To: Yaelle

I look forward to the new leadership of Congress to call for a hate crime investigation of this incident.

Not.


8 posted on 12/02/2006 10:14:56 AM PST by kjo
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To: Yaelle
CNN was all over this story. They ran video of the attack 24x7 for weeks.

Er, they didn't? ...They didn't report on it at all? ...Hmmmmm.

Oh well, I bet the REST of the MSM was all over it, right?

No, you say? Hmmmmm....

9 posted on 12/02/2006 10:15:47 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democracy: The worst form of government, except for all the others.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Have Sharpton and Jackson expressed their outrage yet?

They are too busy pimping money out of Richard what's his name, to fix the real serious hate crimes, the verbal ones.

Besides black people are only victims of the white power structure, so it's hard to blame them for beating innocent white people

10 posted on 12/02/2006 10:16:44 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Yaelle
shouted racial slurs while beating the three victims have resulted in community and nationwide outrage.

Has it attracted nationwide attention? I don't watch much TV, but I've only heard about it through your posts. Good point about the Reverend Jesse Jackson and Al Sharptongue. I was thinking similarly. They'll probably be raising funds and counseling the disaffected yutes.

11 posted on 12/02/2006 10:17:50 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Yaelle

bookmark


12 posted on 12/02/2006 10:18:07 AM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: Yaelle
It didn't stop until a black man ran up and began pulling people off her, Loren said. She recalled him yelling at the youths to stop. She said a young black woman grabbed her under her arms and helped her stand up, taking her closer to where her friends were standing.

Brave people. Nice to see good rise up in the face of evil.

13 posted on 12/02/2006 10:22:01 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: Yaelle
The non-reporting of this event is a perfect example of why you cannot take anything that Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, liberals in general say as truth or believable.

If it is wrong and a hate crime for whites to beat up on blacks, it is just as wrong for blacks to beat up on whites.

Jackson, the liberal media, the civil rights punks, would be a bit more believable if they applied their "rules" to all evenly. Their silence in this matter shows their ulterior motives and their silence implies an acceptance of this behaviour, which will embolden others to do the same.

14 posted on 12/02/2006 10:36:35 AM PST by technomage (Protest Voters are ignorant, immature, selfish people who have no capacity for long term thinking)
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To: Yaelle

I live in northern LA County and this is the first I have heard/read about the incident. This is appalling. Sadly, I am not surprised that it hasn't gotten coverage, even up here.


15 posted on 12/02/2006 10:45:09 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Yaelle

How come gloria allred isn't sueing the mob??


16 posted on 12/02/2006 10:50:40 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

End of story- they were black- won't see the day of light in the media- period! The press is too focussed on looking out for white-crimes like freedom of speech. I'm surprised this report didn't blame the girl for inciting the violence against her by being in a black neighborhood. http://sacredscoop.com


17 posted on 12/02/2006 11:05:04 AM PST by CottShop
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To: Yaelle
I have witnessed this pack of baboons behavior, the dynamic gathers energy very quickly once they figure out there is no law, authority, or other whiteys around.

One of these days this sort of thing will be caught on video like the Reginald Denny attack was and what will Jesse and his pals have to say then?

If we look back to the LA riots, they tacitly approved of it.

There is a huge double standard/disconnect going on. On one hand the rant of a washed up comic becomes MSM fodder, and then events like this are swept under the rug
18 posted on 12/02/2006 11:07:16 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Yaelle
Little better reporting here than in the other story by hector beccerra which was written to minimize the injuries to the victims and produce sympathy for the perps.
19 posted on 12/02/2006 11:22:26 AM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: originalbuckeye

We live only 8-miles away from this "incident" and this is the first I 've heard of it.

There is something a little odd about college aged kids going out trick or treating...even in a very white upper class neighborhood(which Bixby Knolls is).

It's a shame that these attackers will apparently get away with what very likely could have been murder...with the help of the activist sharpies...dragging up images of Rodney King and such.

..it's shameful.


20 posted on 12/02/2006 11:30:11 AM PST by CBart95
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To: Yaelle

The perpetrators came from a chaotic and prison-like land to America. And having arrived there, apparently they are eagerly seeking out the one little American cranny that is familiar to them --PRISON.


22 posted on 12/02/2006 11:39:45 AM PST by gaijin
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To: beltfed308
This brave hero SURELY saved these girls' lives. He will be testifying in the trial soon. He has been very afraid to come forward.

And who could blame him? The first witness was a young black woman of 18 who was there with her little baby and helped the victims after the attack, as well as helping to identify the attackers. On the morning she was to testify, she looked out the window and saw 6 gangbangers SITTING on her car. She called the police and was escorted to the trial.

24 posted on 12/02/2006 11:47:59 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
"Where's Jesse? Where's Al? Where's the NAACP?"

They're busy crucifying Kramer.


25 posted on 12/02/2006 11:48:43 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: CottShop

It is not a black neighborhood. It appears one of the white victims lived there too. It is a well to do mixed neighborhood.


26 posted on 12/02/2006 11:49:39 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: river rat

We should put them down just like we do any rabid animal.


27 posted on 12/02/2006 11:50:48 AM PST by Dmitry Vukicevich (Vegetarian: Indian Lingo for lousy hunter)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

I am sad that so far, Larry Elder is the only one with a somewhat national audience to report on this crime. It is my fervent wish that this horrible attack would receive enough play nationally that even CNN would be dragged into reporting it. However, it might take an actual skateboard to the head of a CNN reporter to do so, I am sure. Yet it would be on all channels round the clock if the beaten victims were black. No one should want this media inequity, least of all black people.


28 posted on 12/02/2006 11:53:10 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: originalbuckeye

I live in eastern L.A. County and this is the first that I have heard of it too.


29 posted on 12/02/2006 12:03:48 PM PST by DeweyCA
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To: Yaelle
Another very good link on yesterday's chilling testimony: (warning that some of the foul language the perps shouted is included) http://www.lbreport.com/news/dec06/bixhat13.htm
30 posted on 12/02/2006 12:06:31 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

The evidence that "Our Diversity is Our Strength" simply keeps mounting. Amazing, and to think our ancestors did not know this fact!


31 posted on 12/02/2006 12:06:46 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: beltfed308

Reminds me of a quote from Erich Fromm:

There are two races, the decent and the indecent.


32 posted on 12/02/2006 12:07:11 PM PST by bordergal (There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men bad enough for this treachery)
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To: DeweyCA
I live in eastern L.A. County and this is the first that I have heard of it too.

And it's a crying shame. We need to know that there are people in our city, or county, or state, or COUNTRY that are capable at such a "tender" age of becoming barbaric. We need to prevent it. We need to punish it. We need to question how we are civilizing our youth.

33 posted on 12/02/2006 12:08:22 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Popman

so it's hard to blame them for beating innocent white people

Looks like their mindset is that there are no innocent white people so all are fair game. Free speech and all that nonsense.


34 posted on 12/02/2006 12:10:02 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: beaversmom

As you see from the rest of this thread, there are people not far from here who had never heard of this crime. Our media is such a sham. What is political correctness even giving them, other than a phony world that they show but that does not exist, where everyone is good except straight, white, conservative people?


35 posted on 12/02/2006 12:10:24 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: RunningWolf
There is a huge double standard/disconnect going on. On one hand the rant of a washed up comic becomes MSM fodder, and then events like this are swept under the rug.

It bears repeating. I hope someone like Rush or Sean would express a little national outrage. No one else will.

36 posted on 12/02/2006 12:11:48 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Fee
Blacks are lucky they did not live in the US over fifty years ago. Whites would have retaliated by grabbing any black persons who happen to walk by and returned the favor.

Well, that is certainly the wrong answer too.

What we need is to live by merit alone. Behavior alone. Forget ALL colors and differences. No more coddling or PC patronizing. It's hurting people in every shade.

37 posted on 12/02/2006 12:14:22 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: beltfed308
It didn't stop until a black man ran up and began pulling people off her, Loren said. She recalled him yelling at the youths to stop. She said a young black woman grabbed her under her arms and helped her stand up, taking her closer to where her friends were standing.

Notice that the thugs acted as part of a crowd while the righteous people stood out from or against the crowd and acted as individuals.

38 posted on 12/02/2006 12:15:55 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Yaelle

This type of attack was a long time coming. In my opinion, this will only be the first. Black youths have been told for years that whitey is keeping them down, that whitey wants to keep them out of college, that whitey is responsible for not giving them the money to make them "rich", that whitey "repressed" their people for generations, that whitey is the devil himself.

You keep this up all day, every day, and then add the "gansta" crap that they keep listening to and you have an explosive mixture that results in this sort of attack.

What does Sharpton and Jackson expect? This is what they have worked for all these years. What they still don't realize is that all their rhetoric has meaning to this teenage idiots. To them it's a way to get on TV and make money, to these kids, those words mean something and creates hatred for the evil whitey.

Conceal and carry, keep repeating these words.


39 posted on 12/02/2006 12:19:17 PM PST by MissouriConservative (Libertarian = aid and comfort to the democratic party)
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To: gaijin

No, the perpetrators ARE American. They came from INSIDE America. I fear that they came from a place where no one supervised them but each other, for most of their 12-17 years in this country.

The idea that unparented, untaught older children should be left to their own devices is a joke. The founders of this country would have certainly felt that all youths not studying or working all day would turn to idle impractical pursuits. And they didn't even have MTV.


40 posted on 12/02/2006 12:22:22 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: MissouriConservative
What does Sharpton and Jackson expect? This is what they have worked for all these years. What they still don't realize is that all their rhetoric has meaning to this teenage idiots. To them it's a way to get on TV and make money, to these kids, those words mean something and creates hatred for the evil whitey.

How right you are.

41 posted on 12/02/2006 12:23:30 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: beltfed308; Yaelle

I guess one of the lessons here is that while it is tempting to read accounts like this and look at all black people as low-life savages, there are some good and very brave black people out there. The ones who intervened are risking a lot - they have to live in the neighborhood.


42 posted on 12/02/2006 12:25:54 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: Yaelle

This isn't an isolated incident. Similar thing happened twice in Las Vegas this year, one where a group of black youths swarmed a parking attendant at a major hotel and beat and kicked him -- all caught on tape and then again this summer when they swarmed downtown and into a casino -- I believe a person died in that incident. Last month a similar attack happened at an upscale mall in Jackson, Miss.


43 posted on 12/02/2006 12:26:43 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: CBart95

I think it said they were dressed up to go go a halloween party and decided to go see the haunted house in Bixby Knolls while waiting for a friend to get off work. Yes, that area is upper-class but the surrounding area (Willmington, Harbor City) certainly are not..


44 posted on 12/02/2006 12:30:25 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Yaelle
Where's Jesse? Where's Al?

Rubbing their hands and laughing,along with that moron from the NYC council.After all,they inspire this kind of stuff.It's a black thing.

45 posted on 12/02/2006 12:32:20 PM PST by hschliemann
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To: Fee
"Blacks are lucky they did not live in the US over fifty years ago. Whites would have retaliated by grabbing any black persons who happen to walk by and returned the favor."

Well, that's not the answer either. With bad luck, the one they grabbed for payback would be one of the good people. And the real perps are still out there walking free. That's one of the problems with viligante mob justice.

Best to carry concealed and hope you never have to shoot to defend yourself, but if you do, you have the means to defend yourself.

46 posted on 12/02/2006 12:37:21 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: Verloona Ti

Amen!!!!!!!!!


47 posted on 12/02/2006 12:41:03 PM PST by Plains Drifter (America First, Last, and Always!!!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I'll buy the rope.


48 posted on 12/02/2006 12:42:01 PM PST by Plains Drifter (America First, Last, and Always!!!)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
I guess one of the lessons here is that while it is tempting to read accounts like this and look at all black people as low-life savages, there are some good and very brave black people out there.

The story reminded of when I was in grade school. I used to take the city bus and after school each day I was chased by such gangs while waiting for the bus. Got my butt kicked many times and after having all my money taken I would have to walk 10 miles. One day a old black guy came to my defense and I never forgot it.

49 posted on 12/02/2006 12:47:28 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil

We shouldn't think of all black people as low life savages -- but we should worry that youths of any color behave like this.

Humans need a good 15-20 years of civilizing by competent adults. We need to worry about babies being left uncivilized and growing up godless and wild. PC prevents us from looking at the cases in our country where de-civilization is quite evident.


50 posted on 12/02/2006 12:47:56 PM PST by Yaelle
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