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Terri's Story
Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation ^ | December 3,2006 | Schindler Foundation

Posted on 12/03/2006 3:03:26 AM PST by 8mmMauser

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To: Lesforlife
That is a wonderful mission, Les. One cannot read these pledges without a renewed sympathy for, and commitment to, those who most need our help and protection. Please keep us up to date on the progress of 40/50/1 project, and on ways that we could pitch in.

This thread, you recall, is a birthday tribute to Terri Schiavo. I can't help thinking if we were better committed to the principles you list here, Terri would be sitting by a sunny window at home, enjoying her days.

1,521 posted on 01/16/2007 3:25:25 PM PST by T'wit (Liberalism is in every particular the attitude and tactics of insufferable little girls)
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To: T'wit; BykrBayb
Both cases played out in the press as "turning off life support" for putatively "dead" patients, but in truth, neither was on life support and neither was dying.

I have found more than this t'wit, BB.

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"On January 11, 1983, Nancy Beth Cruzan, 25, suffered massive neurological injuries in an auto accident and was left severely disabled. After three weeks in a coma she progressed to a state in which she could ingest food. She was able to eat mashed potatoes, bananas, eggs and link sausage, and drink juice with her meals. Even though she could chew and swallow, a gastrostomy tube was inserted into her stomach to assure adequate nutritional intake. Whether she maintained her swallowing ability after the insertion of the tube is unknown, as no follow-up swallow study was done because it was thought this would distress Nancy's parents."

1,522 posted on 01/16/2007 5:17:48 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
Interesting!

Cruzan, more than Quinlan, was the template for the execution of Terri. We might want to explore if further. (You can bet that George Felos did.) The "clear and convincing" standard of evidence that the patient wishes to be snuffed goes back to Cruzan. We remember how that worked in Terri's case -- ridiculous hearsay from a cheating, financially interested husband and two in-laws was "clear and convincing" to George Greer (but to nobody else over the mental age of six).

1,523 posted on 01/16/2007 5:58:47 PM PST by T'wit (Liberalism is in every particular the attitude and tactics of insufferable little girls)
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To: T'wit
We might want to explore if further.

You bet. Wait until I post her parents quotes tomorrrow. In brief, it sounds like Nancy was no longer the perfect daughter they knew.

1,524 posted on 01/16/2007 6:13:04 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
Citation to above.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:vtzgrKPuriUJ:www.pregnantpause.org/euth/courtsum.htm+nancy+cruzan+father+suicide&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6
1,525 posted on 01/16/2007 6:17:58 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: T'wit
The "clear and convincing" standard of evidence that the patient wishes to be snuffed goes back to Cruzan.

Actually, her father says "how can I murder my own daughter? I will have to live with it". That's a close paraphrase.

1,526 posted on 01/16/2007 6:24:55 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
>> The "clear and convincing" standard of evidence

What I meant by that was, the standard was set by the Supreme Court in ruling against the Cruzans (IIRC) in their first suit to kill Nancy. The court said they hadn't presented clear and convincing evidence that she would be better off dead, so that became the standard. "Clear and convincing."

>> "...I will have to live with it"

Her father evidently couldn't live with it very long. He killed himself -- in 1996, I think, about five years after Nancy's death.

1,527 posted on 01/16/2007 6:40:00 PM PST by T'wit (Liberalism is in every particular the attitude and tactics of insufferable little girls)
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To: T'wit
What I meant by that was, the standard was set by the Supreme Court in ruling against the Cruzans (IIRC) in their first suit to kill Nancy. The court said they hadn't presented clear and convincing evidence that she would be better off dead, so that became the standard. "Clear and convincing."

How can the Supreme Court over rule a probate judge who follows their own rules? I guess it's called "turned down without further comment".

1,528 posted on 01/16/2007 7:07:00 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
>> Wait until I post her parents quotes tomorrrow.

Good, I want to see those.

We all understand that there are people who can't be troubled to undertake all that special care, even for their own child. But if they won't, or can't, do it themselves, at least let them send the patient to an appropriate care facility. What I can't figure out is people who go to court to have their child (or wife) put to death.

God bless the people who do put their own plans aside in order to care for a sick child or loved one.

"At the end of our lives, we will not be judged by how many diplomas we have received, how much money we have made or how many great things we have done. We will be judged by ‘I was hungry and you gave me to eat. I was naked and you clothed me. I was homeless and you took me in.’" -- Mother Teresa.

1,529 posted on 01/16/2007 8:20:06 PM PST by T'wit (Liberalism is in every particular the attitude and tactics of insufferable little girls)
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To: 8mmMauser; Lesforlife; EternalVigilance
Ping to post 1,520.


The March for Life will be Saturday, January 20, 2007 at the State Capitol beginning at 1:30.

1,530 posted on 01/16/2007 11:04:31 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: bjs1779

That is so sickening. As a parent, I can't imagine how any "parent" can do that to their own child.


1,531 posted on 01/16/2007 11:24:12 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
The March for Life

(CNSNews.com) - The siblings of Terri Schindler Schiavo - the brain-injured Florida woman whose life ended in March 2005 by court-ordered dehydration at her husband's request - plan to attend the annual March for Life in Washington, D.C., on Monday. "It's not just about abortion, anymore. The culture of death in our nation is threatening the lives of people like my sister through euthanasia," Terri's brother, Bobby Schindler, said. "It is happening quietly every day in nursing homes, hospitals and hospices around our nation. People need to be aware that this could touch a member of their family at any time," he added. The Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation, formed initially to save Terri's life, is working to help medically vulnerable patients and their families faced with similar situations. "We deal with cases all the time where families are desperately seeking someone - anyone - who can help them deal with medical professionals and facilities that are refusing to provide life-sustaining treatment for their loved ones," said Suzanne Schindler, Vitadamo, Terri's sister. "It is absolutely frightening how often this is happening. Families need somewhere to turn.""

Schiavo Siblings to Attend March for Life

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1,532 posted on 01/17/2007 3:30:28 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Bundle up, dear marchers!


1,533 posted on 01/17/2007 3:34:29 AM PST by T'wit (Liberalism is in every particular the attitude and tactics of insufferable little girls)
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To: All; fkabuckeyesrule; Candee
Ping to this thread by fkabuckeyesrule on a radio show featuring Terri's story! Thanks, Candee.

This week on Proclaim!, Attorney David Gibbs joins us to talk about the sanctity of life. We’ll hear of the battle he fought in an effort to save the life of Terri Schiavo. Don’t miss this important story today on Proclaim! with Dr. Michael Easley.

Dr. David Gibbs – Terri Schiavo’s Story

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1,534 posted on 01/17/2007 3:35:51 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit

At the moment it is 8 below zero here. Finally it is cooling off.


1,535 posted on 01/17/2007 3:36:48 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Does one suppose the Southern Poverty Law Center is objective or maybe a little biased?

I was surprised to find today my heart is filled with hate, enlightened by this writer who finds all of my kind of the most vile of haters. Little puppies and kittens better watch out for me today!! I qualify as a plain old fashioned Catholic which is defined these days as a (gulp!) traditional!

Terri's Legacy must be getting to them.

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In one case, the simmering anti-Semitism of the radical traditionalists may even have affected the thinking of a serial-killing terrorist. A new book by Maryanne Vollers, Lone Wolf: Eric Rudolph: Murder, Myth, and the Pursuit of an American Outlaw, suggests that Rudolph may have been influenced by radical traditionalism, in addition to his known ties to the neo-Nazi theology of Christian Identity.

The movement also may be gaining influence on the larger political scene. A case in point is that of Christopher Ferrara, leader of the American Catholic Lawyers Association. Ferrara, who writes for the anti-Semitic, radical traditionalist journal The Remnant, was the lawyer for the family of Terri Schiavo and a key player, along with Republican and Christian Right leaders, in getting Congress to pass a law to keep the severely brain-damaged woman alive. It was later overturned.

The 'Synagogue of Satan'

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1,536 posted on 01/17/2007 3:46:53 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

6 above here in the dip suth. As of yesterday, even calm pond water was open. Today we'll see the Canadas ice skating :-)


1,537 posted on 01/17/2007 3:47:15 AM PST by T'wit (Liberalism is in every particular the attitude and tactics of insufferable little girls)
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To: All; T'wit
Still, pointing to long-term political success does not necessarily answer the charge that the Bush administration represents an egregious departure from or even a betrayal of conservative ideals and principles. This is precisely the contention of Jeffrey Hart, a longtime senior editor of National Review. Near the conclusion of his "The Making of the American Conservative Mind," a relaxed, chatty, anecdotal account of the past half-century through the lens of National Review's reporting and editorials, Hart comes down hard on Bush, a "transformative" President who in Hart's judgment is emphatically not a conservative one.

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Hart's criticisms, stated relatively mildly in his book, took on much more strident expression in his contribution to the pre-electoral Washington Monthly symposium. There, Hart described Bush as "a man who has taken the positions of an unshakable ideologue" on issues ranging from the Terri Schiavo case to supply-side economics. If conservatism is a "politics of reality," this President, wrote Hart, lives sheltered in delusion. No longer is the adjective "Wilsonian" sufficient to describe his disconnectedness from reality. Indeed, Bush's naïve belief in the universality of the human preference for freedom over tyranny makes "Woodrow Wilson look like Machiavelli" by comparison.

After Bush Is conservatism finished?

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1,538 posted on 01/17/2007 3:55:56 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Lesforlife
Washington, D.C. - Monday, January 22nd at 9:00 am, Family Research Council, located at 801 G Street, NW, will host Blogs4Life, the second annual conference of pro-life bloggers.

Blogs4Life is scheduled to take place the day of the 34th annual March for Life, during which thousands of pro-life advocates gather in the Nation's capitol to celebrate life and demand the reversal of the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion.

The conference will feature Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) and Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-CA). Other featured speakers include Bobby Schindler, the brother of Terri Schindler Schiavo and Ramesh Ponnuru, noted author of The Party of Death and senior editor at National Review.

Blogs4Life is an excellent opportunity for individuals and organizations to network with pro-life bloggers and develop an understanding of how weblog technology can be used to strategically promote life and transform ideas into action as we move toward a post-Roe America.

Who: Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS)
Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-CA)
Bobby Schindler
Ramesh Ponnuru

What: The second annual conference dedicated to advancing the pro-life message via weblog technology.

When: Monday, January 22, 2007
9:00 AM - 11:00 AM
2:00 PM - 5:00 PM

Where: Family Research Council
801 G. Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 RSVP: online at www.blogs4life.com (click on Register)

Brownback, Hunter to Join Blogs For Life Conference

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1,539 posted on 01/17/2007 4:03:08 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: candeee; Candee

Oops, got the wrong spelling! Sorry!


1,540 posted on 01/17/2007 4:08:05 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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