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Radio Hoax Exposes Anti-Muslim Sentiment in U.S.
Reuters on AOL News ^ | December 1, 2006 | Bernd Debusmann

Posted on 12/03/2006 4:50:45 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia

WASHINGTON (Dec. 1) -- When radio host Jerry Klein suggested that all Muslims in the United States should be identified with a crescent-shape tattoo or a distinctive arm band, the phone lines jammed instantly.

The first caller to the station in Washington said that Klein must be "off his rocker." The second congratulated him and added: "Not only do you tattoo them in the middle of their forehead but you ship them out of this country ... they are here to kill us."

Another said that tattoos, armbands and other identifying markers such as crescent marks on driver's licenses, passports and birth certificates did not go far enough. "What good is identifying them?" he asked. "You have to set up encampments like during World War Two with the Japanese and Germans."

At the end of the one-hour show, rich with arguments on why visual identification of "the threat in our midst" would alleviate the public's fears, Klein revealed that he had staged a hoax. It drew out reactions that are not uncommon in post-9/11 America.

"I can't believe any of you are sick enough to have agreed for one second with anything I said," he told his audience on the AM station 630 WMAL (http://www.wmal.com/), which covers Washington, Northern Virginia and Maryland

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Another example of liberals tossing up a red herring. The real danger, they say, is not the minority of islamic radicals out there, it's those stupid bigoted Americans.
1 posted on 12/03/2006 4:50:48 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Yeah remember when those bigoted, hateful Americans crashed a a few planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon? Oh right, that was the poor, persecuted Islamo-crazies.


2 posted on 12/03/2006 4:57:31 AM PST by Callahan
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I see there is a poll on AOL for this story and over half believe the Muslims pose no threat. I guess there will have to be another attack in order for people to wake up. (sigh)
3 posted on 12/03/2006 4:59:01 AM PST by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: Callahan
The 'hosts' analogy to Nazism is wrong.

Jews weren't hijacking Zeppelins and crashing them into German office buildings.

One more small point. 'islamic' isn't a race.

L

4 posted on 12/03/2006 4:59:32 AM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
All the while Klein agrees with the Saudi practice of requiring Jews to note their religious affiliation in their passports and then refusing them entry on that basis.

Klein is little more than an unrepenetent Nazi provocateur who refuses to Anglicise his name ~

5 posted on 12/03/2006 4:59:40 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
The real danger, they say, is not the minority of islamic radicals out there, it's those stupid bigoted Americans.

I have a feeling you might get flamed for that.

But I agree with you. The terrorists are a big danger, but the ignorant bigots are part of the problem, definitely not part of the solution.

6 posted on 12/03/2006 4:59:47 AM PST by Allegra (Vote Dulcie / Finbar 2008)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Although you apparently disagree, how about mentioning the Jews who put on stars of David for the Nazis.

The Jews were considered to be a threat by the Germans, as many of the leaders of Communism were ethnically Jewish. Such reasoning--because a few Jewish-descended people started Communism, all Jews are Communists--is crazy.

Although the number of Muslims who have attacked the West are much larger than Marx or Trotsky, most Muslims, in particular American non-convert, non-Nation-of-Islam Muslims, are no more of a threat than the vast majority of German Jews.

Islam as a whole should be discouraged. For example, the media could air a bunch of reports about how Islam is bad. However, to single out every Muslim from the rest of society is definitely not a good thing.

Furthermore, wasn't it decided that the Japanese (and probably the German and Italian) internees were not a threat. Also notable, the so-called Nissei regiment is one of the most decorated in all of American military history.

7 posted on 12/03/2006 5:01:01 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( FRhomepage on IE is very ugly. Firefox was used to make. Can you help?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Except for a few places like Dearborn, there are not so many Muslims here (yet) to avoid assimilation. And I think (hope?) that the ones here now are mainly the smartest and most hard working. Mainly secular in everyday life.

But with all due respect, I would suggest this is a good time to severely restrict or even eliminate Muslim immigration. At least until we see how Europe pans out.

There are things happening in the world that are bigger than all of us as individuals.
8 posted on 12/03/2006 5:02:39 AM PST by outdriving (Diversity is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Those bigoted Americans would just like to have them identified. I haven't seen a rash of any Americans out killing muslims lately. We have a major enemy and they exist among us! I am not for stamps on the forehead, but I sure can't blame people for survival tactics.


9 posted on 12/03/2006 5:03:05 AM PST by dforest
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
P.S. Muslim immigrants, tourists, etc. can have such physical labeling. Potentially, even a database of all Muslims in the country can be collected by the government. However, American citizens should not be singled out in such a way.

Sorry to keep asking these questions, but apparently organizing a webpage is very difficult. If http://www.freerepublic.com/~jedimasterpikachu/ is very disorganized on your screen, can you freepmail?

10 posted on 12/03/2006 5:03:35 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( FRhomepage on IE is very ugly. Firefox was used to make. Can you help?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
He should have simply suggested they be made to wear a yellow cloth and belt.
11 posted on 12/03/2006 5:04:35 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Maybe the radio host should've suggested that Christians in America who convert to Islam should be executed.

Or that Muslims pay a special tax for not being Christian.

Or that Muslims be restricted or entirely prevented from practicing their faith in our "Christian" nation.

Oh wait, I forgot. Those things aren't done by Christians who make up the majority in America. BUT THESE ARE EXACTLY the kinds of things that Muslims routinely institute in countries where they have control!

To sum it up: THIS RADIO HOST is a moron afraid to tackle the real prejudices and fanaticism of Muslims the world over, which reared its venomous head in all its fury on 9-11.


12 posted on 12/03/2006 5:05:45 AM PST by olderwiser
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

If they are true muslims and beleive what their koran teaches,then they are a threat and should not be trusted.


13 posted on 12/03/2006 5:06:01 AM PST by JOHANNES801 (I have no tag line, cause I say nasty things.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Real Muslims believe in Mohammad and the Koran. The Koran demands of real Muslims they either kill, where every they find them, all non-Muslims, or in the case of Christians or Jews, enslave them. To believe anything else is not to be Muslim, including those that call themselves Muslim but do not obey and submit to the Koran and Gods Prophet, Mohammad.
Rinse, lather, repete.
14 posted on 12/03/2006 5:06:09 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Clarification (rarely can be too much of that), Potentially, even a database of all Muslims in the country can be collected by the government (and kept from the average Joe). However, American citizens should not be singled out in such a way (as with a visible armband, and definitely a tatoo--remember those tatooed people in the Nazi concentration camps?).
15 posted on 12/03/2006 5:06:27 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( FRhomepage on IE is very ugly. Firefox was used to make. Can you help?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

AFAIK, there were no camps for Germans or Italians in America. The number of Americans with Italian and German would have been so large, that the half nation should have been imprisoned then.


16 posted on 12/03/2006 5:06:49 AM PST by Michael81Dus ("No one who speaks German could be an evil man." - The Simpsons, 9F22)
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To: Tribune7

Hey, this is America! Any mandatory article of clothing would be licensed.


17 posted on 12/03/2006 5:07:09 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Michael81Dus

... with Italian and German HERITAGE would ....


18 posted on 12/03/2006 5:07:24 AM PST by Michael81Dus ("No one who speaks German could be an evil man." - The Simpsons, 9F22)
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To: JOHANNES801
Yes, if they are actually Muslim. There are many supposed Muslims who are as Muslim as the average European "Christian" (i.e. not very).
19 posted on 12/03/2006 5:07:43 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( FRhomepage on IE is very ugly. Firefox was used to make. Can you help?)
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To: Allegra
The terrorists are a big danger, but the ignorant bigots are part of the problem, definitely not part of the solution.

I'm far more concerned about the hundreds of thousands of islamic male immigrants coming into this country than I am about homegrown bigoted rednecks.

For the life of me I can't remember the last time the Klan sawed the head off a Jewish reporter and put it on the internet.

Nor can I remember the last time members of the Aryan Nations hijacked a jetliner full of civilians and slammed it into an office building also full of civilians.

I'm also hard pressed to think of a single instance where a neo-Nazi rally attracted more than a few dozens whereas mohameden 'rallies' are typically tens of thousands all chanting "Death To Everybody Who Ain't Us" even in places like the UK or France.

Are American bigots unhelpful? Hard to say. What do you mean by 'help'?

Are we in a much more deadly danger from these islamofascist nutjobs who have absolutely no respect for human life? You betcha.

Besides it seems to me we're actually importing far more racist anti-semitic whackkjobs than we're growing domestically.

L

20 posted on 12/03/2006 5:09:38 AM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: JOHANNES801

Let another attack happen in this country and you will see the American people demand this stuff


21 posted on 12/03/2006 5:10:07 AM PST by sachem longrifle (proud member of the fond Du lac band of the Ojibwa people)
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To: JOHANNES801

Let another attack happen in this country and you will see the American people demand this stuff


22 posted on 12/03/2006 5:10:12 AM PST by sachem longrifle (proud member of the fond Du lac band of the Ojibwa people)
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To: Michael81Dus
Yes, the Italian- and definitely the German-descended population was huge. However, some families of either German and Italian immigrants or even naturalized citizens, were deported to overseas internment camps. What happened to the Japanese-descendees was much more extensive.
23 posted on 12/03/2006 5:11:00 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( FRhomepage on IE is very ugly. Firefox was used to make. Can you help?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
I think my "editorial position" on this article is a little misunderstood.

While I actually agree that labeling Muslims is a ridiculous idea, I think the point the radio host was trying to make about exposing anti-Muslim "prejudice" is equally absurd.

He's overlooking the real danger posed by a group of islamic radicals--which we unfortunately can't distinguish from the "good" muslims--to our society. Yes, "rounding them all up" is a disproportionate response and a definite overreaction. But letting down our guard could be lethal.
24 posted on 12/03/2006 5:12:33 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Michael81Dus

Germans and Italians were rounded up and put in camps on a select basis. The largest one was Crystal City, Texas. Some were also held in NYC.


25 posted on 12/03/2006 5:13:14 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Michael81Dus

Actually, there were camps for Germans. In the Southeast U.S.

Somehow, nobody ever raised hell about this.


26 posted on 12/03/2006 5:13:22 AM PST by outdriving (Diversity is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.)
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To: Allegra

Maybe you have some examples of how ignorant bigots are causing such big problems for Muslims in America, since you evidently they are an actual problem, as opposed to a rigged up propaganda talking point of the left/islam-fascist funders?


27 posted on 12/03/2006 5:13:37 AM PST by olderwiser
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Agree. Which is why there coouuld be a database run by the government listing all the Muslims. But by exposing Muslims out in the open (not all use ethnic attire) could lead to vigilantism (and personally against vigilantism).

Sorry to keep asking these questions, but apparently organizing a webpage is very difficult. If http://www.freerepublic.com/~jedimasterpikachu/ is very disorganized on your screen, can you freepmail?

28 posted on 12/03/2006 5:15:30 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( FRhomepage on IE is very ugly. Firefox was used to make. Can you help?)
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To: outdriving

http://www.foitimes.com/internment/cc_tx.htm


29 posted on 12/03/2006 5:16:19 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

True about the red herring and the attempt to somehow justify the Imam stunt with US Air. However, armbands and then tats where a popular means of identification of semetices back in the 1930's.


30 posted on 12/03/2006 5:16:47 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (HOOAH! It's an Army thing.)
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To: Paige
"I see there is a poll on AOL for this story and over half believe the Muslims pose no threat. I guess there will have to be another attack in order for people to wake up. (sigh)"

You don't understand. It was really a bunch of Knights of Columbus that hijacked those planes and crashed them into buildings - CAIR's latest conspiracy theory (sarc.).
31 posted on 12/03/2006 5:18:32 AM PST by BW2221
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To: outdriving
A few got angry. However, the number was much less than the number of interned Japanese-descendees.

Sort of similar to how in the Nazi concentration camps (AND NOT STATING THAT NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND AMERICAN INTERNMENT CAMPS WERE THE SAME, THEY WEREN'T) other people beside Jews were killed. However, Jews were the largest group, and so they are the most identified with the Nazi concentration camps. Japanese-descendees are the most identified with the World War 2 American internment camps.

32 posted on 12/03/2006 5:19:16 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( FRhomepage on IE is very ugly. Firefox was used to make. Can you help?)
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To: outdriving

Nobody raised hell because up to that point the largest terrorist attack on American soil was accomplished by Germans during WWI.


33 posted on 12/03/2006 5:19:17 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Allegra

After 911, "IGNORANT bIGOTS" became "EDUCATED BIGOTS". The problem are the vast numbers of people who refuse to believe there exists a danger from Islamofacist and other sorts of terrorists.


34 posted on 12/03/2006 5:22:56 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Your initial comments were misconstrued by some people quick to bash or find fault with Americans, like this dopey radio host.

I'll say this: Americans have the right to preserve the institutions that founded and have led to prosperity and ordered freedom in this country for over 200 years.

Immigrants who refuse to respect, and/or work to subvert those institutions, do not have any special right to do so.

I have not "pre-judged" that our country has historically represented a land of more real opportunity and real justice than any other nation in the history of the world. This is my considered judgement based on the facts.

So. I will defend our American way of life, without apology, to all comers.


35 posted on 12/03/2006 5:23:26 AM PST by olderwiser
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To: Allegra
Allegra, I understand and sympathize with your views, but we have to understand that left-wing extremist hate-baiters like Klein are also part of the problem. He's not interested in stopping discrimination, he's interested in portraying all conservatives, Republicans, and/or servicemembers as bigots. You and I don't want all Muslims to have to wear a crescent, but Klein doesn't care. He still wants to call us Nazis, and no amount of "We're nice ladies" is going to make him change his mind.
36 posted on 12/03/2006 5:24:42 AM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Stunts like this are designed to appease the liberal cocktail crowd, that are as Isolated as can be from normal Americans and real life.

Don't ever let them play so much on your guilt that you lose sight of whats important.

Defending your family and way of life.

37 posted on 12/03/2006 5:24:53 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Michael81Dus

One-quarter, not one-half.


38 posted on 12/03/2006 5:25:28 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: outdriving
The best idea is, indeed, to prohibit the immigration of Muslims. "Severely restricting" immigration doesn't go far enough. No need to wait to see how Europe pans out...the problems of European countries, all of which feel great regret for literally losing their homelands to Muslim immigratnion, are there big time, and are only getting worse.

Barbarians are not only at the gate; they are inside and infiltrating fast.
39 posted on 12/03/2006 5:25:42 AM PST by gallaxyglue (Have we lost our civilization as we know it?)
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To: Lurker
#20

That was a pretty good defense of bigoted rednecks, councilor.

5.56mm

40 posted on 12/03/2006 5:27:25 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
An important distinction: Americans do not and should not hate moslems. They should hate islam and mohammed-worship.

mohammed-worship is literally the most primitive and threatening force ever seen by the world, and that is strctly because the barbarism called islam has now intersected with oil money and western technology.

We have it upside down sometimes. We curse moslems but not their primitive, irrational and hate-filled belief system.

It is the complete lack by our president in telling the truth about mohammed-worship which is making our War on Jihad far more difficult and bloody.

41 posted on 12/03/2006 5:27:51 AM PST by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: olderwiser; Lurker
Maybe you have some examples of how ignorant bigots are causing such big problems for Muslims in America, since you evidently they are an actual problem, as opposed to a rigged up propaganda talking point of the left/islam-fascist funders?

I really have no idea what you're saying or asking. There is a syntax-disconnect.

Before all you people get all excited and go jumping to conclusions as to what I mean and getting your panties all in a wad and slinging insults and accusations, be aware that I FAVOR racial profiling on Arabs.

I am AWARE that the terrorists are terribly bigoted. Believe me, I have been a target of these morons on more than one occasion. I despise them.

But the "kill them all" and "they're all evil" and "nuke the Middle East" crowds are ignorant yappers and I get tired of hearing them. I have a low threshold for stupidity.

Ignorant bigotry is not the answer to ignorant bigotry.

42 posted on 12/03/2006 5:30:01 AM PST by Allegra (Vote Dulcie / Finbar 2008)
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To: Paige
I see there is a poll on AOL for this story and over half believe the Muslims pose no threat. I guess there will have to be another attack in order for people to wake up.

Many people don't take the threat seriously because our officials have left the border wide open. This discrepancy needs to be explained to the American public.

43 posted on 12/03/2006 5:30:39 AM PST by Fraulein
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To: muawiyah
The problem are the vast numbers of people who refuse to believe there exists a danger from Islamofacist and other sorts of terrorists.

Yes and those people are called "Democrats." I'm fully aware of that.

I'd wager that I've probably come under attack from Islamic terrorists more times than most people on this thread have. I KNOW how dangerous they are.

44 posted on 12/03/2006 5:32:34 AM PST by Allegra (Vote Dulcie / Finbar 2008)
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To: outdriving

I believe no one raised hell because the ones in SE US were camps for German WWII soldiers, actual POWs from Europe, noty US citizens of German ancestry. Some other German-Americans were rounded up and held because the FBI or other law-enforcement authorities deemed them a threat because of suspected involvement in Nazi party activities in the US.


45 posted on 12/03/2006 5:33:27 AM PST by Gothmog (I am so cool)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

They don't need a hoax. All they have to do is ask.


46 posted on 12/03/2006 5:33:49 AM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: durasell
There you go. Thanks.

There are many misconceptions about the whole internment deal.

For instance, ALL the Japanese were not rounded up either. Only those on the West coast that posed a very real threat at the time, given their numbers and proximity to a potential invasion threat.

And many Japanese spies and saboteurs were captured hiding among the legitimate immigrants.

And the interned Japanese were not required to stay in the camps. They were free to leave as long as it was not to the West Coast. Most chose to stay.

The real abuse was locals who appropriated their land and businesses while they were away. This is the real shame for the U.S. in this, not the concept itself.
47 posted on 12/03/2006 5:34:45 AM PST by outdriving (Diversity is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.)
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To: Paige; All

I am sorry. But, another attack by Islamic terrorists against one or more U.S.targets STILL would not awaken the American public to the nature or seriousness and scope of the threat.


48 posted on 12/03/2006 5:35:05 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner cleaning his weapons & enjoying his Stan Getz CD's".)
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To: Gothmog

Some were American citizens. Just like the Italians held on Ellis Island were American citizens.

Note: Not all Japanese Americans were rounded up and put in camps. I know of one family in which the grandparents still hold bitter feelings toward each other because one set took off from SF and didn't go to the camp and the other set stayed and was sent to the camp.


49 posted on 12/03/2006 5:36:18 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Gideon Reader
another attack by Islamic terrorists against one or more U.S.targets STILL would not awaken the American public to the nature or seriousness and scope of the threat.

Sadly, this is absolutely correct.

50 posted on 12/03/2006 5:37:41 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("On 11/07/06, 'true' conservatives and 'rat traitors joined forces to bring Sharia law to America.")
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