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Posted on 12/05/2006 8:32:43 AM PST by Smogger
New York City first in U.S. to ban artificial trans fats in restaurant food.
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I understand that Jews in Nazi Germany did the same thing: watched their freedom being taken away, living in denial that they were losing their freedom, until it was too late and they faced "the final solution". Government in the U.S. is involved in too many aspects of our daily, private lives. Congress, for example, thinks citizens are too dumb to plan their own retirement or medical care, so it has forced upon us Socialist Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. You MUST participate in all three, either through payroll deduction or taxation.
Why? Don't you have any self-control?? Don't want it --Don't Consume it? Whay would we need a law? Geez?
Just that it will not stop w/NYC----!!!!
Socialism seems to be what they want, I say give em ALL of it.
They say "a picture is worth a thousand words," right??? :)
You should have deliverd your child directly into a glass tube and placed them on the mantle in your home---it's the only place there is NO RISK.
Freedom requires responsibility on the part of those who are free. Our government is breaking down to the nanny state you and I hate precisely because of those who are foolish and/or misguided enough to believe freedom means do anything you want. The more you fight to promote debauched irresponsibility the more government intervention we will get. People must grow up and restrain themselves or be restrained. Simple choice.
Thanks for the ping!
I expect you have absolutely no reservations about driving through a school zone at 70 mph? It would also be no problem for you if I decided to hold a home invasion at your place? Got any nice stuff? (please be sure now to tell me to "come on" so you can shoot me. lol - I plan better than that)
I see no reference to inanimate objects or consumables.
I think I understand what you are saying.
If we are going to function as a society and live together, there has to be SOME RULES and boundries. Otherwise we have anarchy. That's the only thought holding me back from being a full blown Libertarian.
Maybe where we differ slightly is my one requirement for functioning in a free society is: DON'T HARM ANYONE ELSE.
And if the Gubmint claims you are harming someone, it better be irrefutable and without question...no junk science or bogus studies about SHS allowed.
Otherwise, liberals can conjure up a multitude of reasons as to why your freedoms should be curtailed.
After all, if that Bacon Double Cheeseburger you're eating causes Type 2 Diabetes you are driving up MY/OUR health care premiums and taxes to pay for your care. Now you are no longer hurting only yourself, you're hurting me too.
That's going to be (is) their argument. The slippery slope just had a 659 gallon bucket of KY dumped on it.
Tell ya what, when I invade your home if you don't resist I will not shoot you. You may have to put in some overtime to cover the deductable, but file the claim and you will get it all back. Presto - the "victimless crime"! Those are Ok and you should be happy now.
I was discussing the overarching issue of a nanny state government and how we, as a society, bring it on ourselves. You took issue with a particular statement sans context. If you want to limit the discussion to some list that you believe helps your argument have fun; seems pointless to me with such constraints so count me out.
Exactly, and those rules and boundries go well beyound what is legal and illegal. Our problem is that too many people now think that good and bad, right and wrong (if they even exist) are deliniated by law and how it can be bent to one's whim. Because of that we are out of control as a society.
I like the old definition of "crime" - physical or monetary harm to people or property.
I know exactly what you're saying, it's really, just, well, weird to see what they serve in the school cafeterias. It's all still-packaged "something" that the kids grab off the piping hot tray and place onto their plate. The lunch lady doesn't even touch the food. Slides the tray into and out of the warmer, that's about it.
My kids bring their lunches, they hate the stuff there. It's just....weird.
Ahh - good. So as long as long as there is no physical harm rape is a-ok. Where in the world did you get that definition? Be careful... with that structure you are placing a lot of responsibility on people to restrain themselves regarding things that are not illegal, but are unacceptable - old definitions and all, don't cha know.
Now I'll feel safer eating non trans-fat buttered popcorn while walking around Harlem at 3 A.M.
My kids take their lunches also. Some of their peers who know better are envious at the copious amounts of delicious healthy food they get to consume.
A rape is harm.
Don't be such a brick.
What harm is caused by me not wearing a seatbelt?
For the record, I have no problem with you not wearing a seat belt. I look at it the same way as I do motor and bicycle helmets - those who do not wear them have noting to protect anyway. I always wear a seatbelt, and always did so long before the law; a law to demand it is irrelevant to me. If you want to gather support round up the hookers, drunks, druggies and pervs to rally round your issue of eroded freedom. They will empathize. I will not. Willful ignorance of the our system of government's requirement for self restraint and responsibility is a big part of what has brought on this nanny state. So those who want to piss into the wind can go right on exercising there right to do so until it is outlawed.
Finally got you to admit it.
To quote the great Walter E. Williams - "This is not a problem associated with Liberty. It is a problem associated with Socialism."
Tyrants come in all sizes and flavors.
Those who advocate or tolerate tyranny are no better than those who implement it.
Carry on. My children or grandchildren will eventually stop you.
Wow, you sure got me there. Kudoos to you. Now run along and work on your reading comprehension. Jeez.
BTW, Discussions like this are the reason for my tagline.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
Now run along and work on your Socialist utopia.
What would you like to ban next?
Maybe you should "restrain" yourself from being so clever.
That way, we won't have to employ government guns to do it for you.
Let me use what I wrote w/ regard to another issue where there are concerns of misdirected legislation; pit bulls:
There is no easy way to deal with irresponsible owners. In a free society there is enormous foundational responsibility to behave properly. The subversion of the standard provided by scripture to the me first - screw you mentality has changed the application of law to our present nanny state system; children do not act responsibly and need a "nanny". So how to apply the law? Aye, there is the rub; because as satisfying as heavy punitive laws can be, they do not bring back a dead kid. So what is left? Ban the breed.
Do I advocate that solution? Of course not. Is that what we will get from legislators who will be more than happy to load restrictions on a situation that the public demands a solution for? Of course it is.
We have a press and a legislature that, even on the R side has a heavy dose of arrogance and elitist attitude. We have what sure seems to be an ignorant public that can be easily swayed by lies, sound bytes and half truths. They think Condoleeza Rice is competition for Uncle Ben. Many in our society have grown irresponsible and childish. And then they wonder why the government is growing oppressive. You want to fight tyranny? Fight the tyranny of stupidity. Based on our exchange I sure can recommend a starting point.
Rather than fight a trans-fat ban or a smoking ban, or a Twinkie ban as they come up, you would rather just accept those things as a manifestation of stupid, and thereby encourage more stupidity; hoping that society will eventually get it right through legislation or repeal of legislation?.
All the while, the legislation goes on, fueled by hysteria or other motivation.
Sorry, I won't "restrain" myself out of fear that someday there may be a law against ribeyes.