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New York City first in U.S. to ban artificial trans fats in restaurant food.
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Posted on 12/05/2006 8:32:43 AM PST by Smogger

New York City first in U.S. to ban artificial trans fats in restaurant food.

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To: Smogger

Next there will be knock raids on homes where illegal trans fat is suspected of being sold or consumed.


51 posted on 12/05/2006 9:53:30 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: Vision

Just read it out loud... foie times should be enough. And btw - keep off the gras.


52 posted on 12/05/2006 9:53:55 AM PST by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: takenoprisoner
Next there will be knock raids on homes where illegal trans fat is suspected of being sold or consumed.

If donuts are cooked in trans-fats enforcement could be a real problem.

53 posted on 12/05/2006 9:56:28 AM PST by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: 70times7
If donuts are cooked in trans-fats enforcement could be a real problem.

LOL!

54 posted on 12/05/2006 9:57:13 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Brad Cloven

Yeah, next they will ban butter, eggs, sugar............


55 posted on 12/05/2006 9:57:14 AM PST by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '07--Go BIG BEN!!!)
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To: Smogger

Smokers warned everyone. Everyone still chose to release the government monster. Enjoy the results.


56 posted on 12/05/2006 10:00:28 AM PST by mysterio
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Maybe there will be a rebellion!

That would go against their programing.

57 posted on 12/05/2006 10:05:47 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: beltfed308

As old Nietsche said; "Modern men are being prepared to lead lives of slavery in the most exacting sense."


58 posted on 12/05/2006 10:13:02 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Our troops are smart. It's our politicians who are stupid.)
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To: mysterio
Smokers warned everyone. Everyone still chose to release the government monster. Enjoy the results.

Yep, when ever I talked to a smoking Nazi, I always asked them if they had the guy arrested.

SN: What guy?

ME: The guy that put a gun to your head and forced you to go into a bar/restaurant that had smoking.

SN: :: blank stare ::

ME: Or was it just more convenient to have the state come in and make the decisions for you, never mind that market forces would have been brought to bear, if you and other like minded people had boycotted establishments that didn't cater to your needs.

SN: :: blank stare ::

59 posted on 12/05/2006 10:21:01 AM PST by AFreeBird (If American "cowboy diplomacy" did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.)
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To: AbeKrieger
I eat trans-fatty foods whenever I want, they've never hurt me.

Can you imagine either posing for, or taking this photo.

I get nauseous just posting it.

Can't imagine what it's like looking at it around lunchtime.

60 posted on 12/05/2006 10:32:43 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: USS Alaska

Don't know which is worse, her, or some of the Helen Thomas pics that come around periodically.


61 posted on 12/05/2006 10:44:55 AM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: Smogger

Now if they'd only ban products made with high fructose corn syrup...


62 posted on 12/05/2006 10:52:46 AM PST by Piranha
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To: Smogger

What does the PIAPS (and her trans-fat thunder thighs) have to say about this?


63 posted on 12/05/2006 10:54:09 AM PST by redstates4ever
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To: proud_yank
Don't know which is worse, her, or some of the Helen Thomas pics that come around periodically.

Try to visualize her and helen in a lesbian position. Oh, yeah.......{I'll spare you the pix}.

64 posted on 12/05/2006 11:02:38 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: USS Alaska

Thanks a lot, there goes lunch. ;)


65 posted on 12/05/2006 11:23:18 AM PST by redstates4ever
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To: mc5cents

Land of the freak and home of the slave.


66 posted on 12/05/2006 11:25:12 AM PST by ichabod1 (After the attacks of 9/11, profiling Muslims is more like profiling the Klan.)
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To: zarf; mc5cents
Bad thing: Nanny state, here we come.

I disagree. If NYC bans something based on local demography (leftists concentrated in Manhattan) and if Americans in Oklahoma can safely eat whatever the hell they want, and Californians can eat whatever tofu they want, then in my opinion, unlike Brussels or DC forcing uniformity--the Republic is still working in this small case like it's supposed to.

[/end run-on sentence]

If the FDA had decreed it, I'd be upset.

67 posted on 12/05/2006 11:28:11 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Piranha
Now if they'd only ban products made with high fructose corn syrup...

Why? Do you also want to ban sugar?

68 posted on 12/05/2006 11:30:33 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: sam_paine
NYC bans something based on local demography (leftists concentrated in Manhattan) and if Americans in Oklahoma can safely eat whatever the hell they want, and Californians can eat whatever tofu they want, then in my opinion, unlike Brussels or DC forcing uniformity--the Republic is still working in this small case like it's supposed to.

Unfortunately, it lends credibility to stupidity and that is never a good thing for the Republic. Policy like this should always be based on sound science instead of political agendas, regardless of where you live.

69 posted on 12/05/2006 11:34:38 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: 50sDad

Then they'll start banning and regulating kitchen knives.


70 posted on 12/05/2006 11:42:42 AM PST by ichabod1 (After the attacks of 9/11, profiling Muslims is more like profiling the Klan.)
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To: Smogger
Good. Real butter and lard are much healthier!
71 posted on 12/05/2006 12:35:21 PM PST by A. Pole (Rumsfeld:"In politics, every day is filled with numerous opportunities for serious error. Enjoy it.")
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To: Mase

No, just high fructose corn syrup (hfcs). This was somewhat of a tongue-in-cheek comment, as I have seen no definitive medical studies showing that hfcs is a health issue, but anecdotal evidence has been presented asserting that the growth in the use of hfcs (since it was introduced in the 1970s) ties closely with the growth of obesity in the US.

I think that in time there will be peer-reviewed articles demonstrating the correlation, and that at that time they will be pulled off the market amid class action lawsuits brought against the manufacturers/distributors involved. However, that time is not today.


72 posted on 12/05/2006 12:46:11 PM PST by Piranha
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To: leilani

School districts everywhere are doing just that.

First it was no homebaked/homemade food for parties because.. "because, well, we don't know where it came from and the Health Department hasn't approved your kitchen". The Soccer Moms were all fine with that because they couldn't cook anyway. Now the fricken state is dictating what can and cannot be served in school cafeterias. That, after years of outsourcing food to places like Taco Bell and Pizza Hut and building schools with minimal kitchen facilities. The most some of the new schools can do it put stuff in the warming tray.

Funny because 10 years ago when they started that B/S I called the district ranting and raving. A friend who worked for the district told me to be careful because they do record telephone conversations with trouble makers.


grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


73 posted on 12/05/2006 12:54:53 PM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: sam_paine

you think that's not coming to a state near you? think again.


74 posted on 12/05/2006 12:57:52 PM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Smogger

So will Bloomberg start suing other states for allowing straw-man sales of Twinkies to NYC residents?


75 posted on 12/05/2006 1:05:30 PM PST by PeterFinn (B’fhearr Gaeilge briste na Béarla cliste.)
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To: Mase; Jaded
you think that's not coming to a state near you? think again.

I do! Sadly.

But at least that's how a Republic is supposed to work. State by state legislature/council vote. Not top-down judicial oligarchy by-fiat.

What you guys describe is also correct. Stupid people are making stupid decisions---state by state. And no doubt, we are probably not far away from FDA b.s. mandating it one way or another (I heard a story today about a switch from high fructose corn syrup to a 'more healthy' cane sugar. Jeez.)

But this is just a normal problem with letting stupid people govern themselves. It's not indicative of a nanny-sate or fascism per se.

Unless we unlink education from federal (and lawyer) control, it doesn't matter what the particular issues are. The looters are coming!

I'm just saying that the Republic is functioning as it's supposed to, and it is venting its alarm steam whistle just like it's supposed to.

But nobody seems to know how to respond. I guess I don't either.

76 posted on 12/05/2006 1:09:57 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Jaded

yeah, well - maybe you never had a child that got sick or had a milk allergy reaction to food some parent brought in for the homebake party.

alot of these regulations wouldn't be needed if businesses acted responsibly. but they don't. they would cook your food in reprocessed urine, if they could figure out a way to make it taste good and it accrued to their bottom line profit.


77 posted on 12/05/2006 1:16:05 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Smogger

more...

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=64817

New York will become the first city in the nation to enact such a ban.

The board also passed a measure requiring restaurants to post calorie contents on their menus.

The board also voted unanimously to allow dogs to run without leashes at certain parks between 9 p.m. and 9 a.m. The proposal had been put out for public comment after some residents complained it was dangerous to have dogs running around in public places. But officials say out of 15,000 comments, only 2,000 were in opposition.

Another measure that would have allowed transgender people to amend their birth certificates without having undergone surgery was voted down.

The board unanimously backed up the current policy that requires proof of sex reassignment surgery.

Transgender advocates say tens of thousands of New Yorkers face severe and pervasive discrimination as a result of their inability to obtain identification matching the gender in which they live.

They say simple things like entering buildings can be difficult because their ID's don't match their looks, and that many cannot afford the expensive surgical procedures needed. Advocates are vowing to continue their fight to change the policy.


78 posted on 12/05/2006 1:20:51 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: oceanview

So you're on board with the mayor? How do you protect your child from the processed food brought in from who knows what food service that may or may not have a current Health Inspection certificate?


79 posted on 12/05/2006 2:01:34 PM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Smogger
So I guess we'll go back to the good old days ...



... and get that healthy lard glow. Or was it just greasy skin?

80 posted on 12/05/2006 2:05:40 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (Some people are like Slinkies: totally useless, but fun to throw down a stair.)
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To: jimbo123
The board also passed a measure requiring restaurants to post calorie contents on their menus.

Man.. NY sucks. This will put most of your Mom and Pop business out of business. The testing performed to determine calorie content is pretty expensive. You will have to submit each menu item for testing.

NY is finished.

81 posted on 12/05/2006 2:07:12 PM PST by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Smogger

To quote a bad Jerry Bruckheimer movie

(trans fat) is something we wish we could uninvent.


The sh*t is nasty.


82 posted on 12/05/2006 2:07:52 PM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: All

Direct link to article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16051436/


83 posted on 12/05/2006 2:16:23 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Piranha
as I have seen no definitive medical studies showing that hfcs is a health issue,

That's because there's no legitimate research showing HFCS is a health issue. I've always wondered how it's possible HFCS can be bad for you while and sugar (sucrose) isn't since they're both made up of the same two ingredients (glucose and fructose) in almost identical proportions. If one is bad for you then the other has to be just as bad. No way around it.

but anecdotal evidence has been presented asserting that the growth in the use of hfcs (since it was introduced in the 1970s) ties closely with the growth of obesity in the US.

I saw a study once that showed a direct correlation between the amount of rainfall in Fiji and the price of peanuts in Georgia. Just goes to show that correlations may be indicative but they don't prove a thing. Any research showing HFCS as being harmful, while sugar is not, has been thoroughly disproved. The growth in the rate of obesity is caused by people consuming more calories than they burn. England and Mexico are experiencing the same problems with obesity that we are yet they use very little HFCS in their diets.

..and that at that time they will be pulled off the market amid class action lawsuits brought against the manufacturers/distributors involved

Anything is possible when people stop caring about the truth. This article is a great example of that occurring. It's unfortunate we're so willing to give up our freedom in the name of junk science.

84 posted on 12/05/2006 2:22:25 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Smogger
What would we do without the government to save us from ourselves?

I must say, though, I agree with requiring restaurants to give more information about the food they serve so that we can make more educated choices for ourselves.

85 posted on 12/05/2006 2:23:56 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: hsmomx3

This is another example of excessive government. Perhaps NYC should regulate the size of newspapers, the content and size of soft drinks, the size of restaurant portions (soup to nuts) and the size of condoms? The Kremlin thought it could regulate everything, also.


86 posted on 12/05/2006 2:24:45 PM PST by pleikumud
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To: sam_paine; Jaded
And no doubt, we are probably not far away from FDA b.s. mandating it one way or another

Undoubtedly. The FDA is driven by politics and public opinion (and not making mistakes) so that is entirely possible. When you allow something like this to happen without a fight it emboldens the know nothing busybodies who will eventually demand the government do something on a national scale. Bush probably wouldn't. Hillary wouldn't hesitate. This decision may prove we're functioning properly on a small scale. Get enough small scale decisions like this and watch the feds come roaring in. I think it's bad no matter where it occurs.

87 posted on 12/05/2006 2:31:54 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Conservomax
The sh*t is nasty.

Do you realize that 20-25% of the trans fat you consume comes from natural sources like meat and dairy? Pretty hard to get away from that sh*t.

88 posted on 12/05/2006 2:37:13 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Jaded

the industry should take these kinds of actions by itself.

do you think ALL food controls and health inspections should be eliminated?


89 posted on 12/05/2006 5:02:30 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Duh, no. Typical nanny-state mentality to ban trans fat, hope you enjoy it. What else would you like to see the State eliminate?


90 posted on 12/05/2006 5:38:13 PM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: AFreeBird

Yep, when ever I talked to a smoking Nazi, I always asked them if they had the guy arrested.

SN: What guy?

ME: The guy that put a gun to your head and forced you to go into a bar/restaurant that had smoking.

SN: :: blank stare ::

ME: Or was it just more convenient to have the state come in and make the decisions for you, never mind that market forces would have been brought to bear, if you and other like minded people had boycotted establishments that didn't cater to your needs.

SN: :: blank stare ::


_________________________________________________________

That is brilliant.

Everyone should use that on Conservatives of Convenience on this forum.


91 posted on 12/05/2006 7:54:23 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 ("Life is tough. It's tougher when you're stupid."--John Wayne)
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To: xowboy; SheLion; Gabz; 383rr; libertarian27; 70times7; redgolum; hsmomx3; beltfed308; PeterFinn; ...

Our fathers/mothers, grandfathers/grandmothers, and great grandfathers/grandmothers lived through this nonsense during Prohibition. They spoke out and the Government enacted an Amendment to repeal it. What has happened since....

When they came for the employees of the oldest profession in the world, I did not speak out, as I had no interest in purchasing sex.

When they came for the purveyors of what was deemed to be "obscene" or "offensive", I did not speak out, as I was not a fan of Lenny Bruce or Howard Stern.

When they came to ban the female mammary gland from TV, I did not speak out, because Brian Boitano told me not to.

When they came for the people who don't wear seatbelts, I did not speak out, as I always wore my seatbelt.

When they came for the marijuana smokers, I did not speak out, as I was not a marijuana smoker.

When they came for the steroid users, I did not speak out, as I was not a steroid user.

When they came for the gamblers, I did not speak out, as I was not a gambler.

When they came for the cigarette smokers, I did not speak out, as I was not a smoker.

When they came for the overweight and the obese, I did not speak out, as I was not overweight or obese.

When they came for the drinkers (again), I did not speak out, as I was not a drinker.

Then they came for me...and there was nobody left to speak out.


92 posted on 12/05/2006 8:19:21 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 ("Life is tough. It's tougher when you're stupid."--John Wayne)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Well there seem to be a number of posters on this forum who've done just that. This is one more assinine piece of governmental meddling that they're perfectly okay with.

Next thing you know they'll be taking away guns.... oh, wait....


93 posted on 12/05/2006 9:07:11 PM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Jaded

"The Soccer Moms were all fine with that because they couldn't cook anyway."

LOL


94 posted on 12/05/2006 9:13:33 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Jaded

I'm guilty as charged with 5 of the first 7. I throw myself on the mercy of the court.

It wasn't my ox being gored so I didn't care. The only 2 I originally thought were silly to ban were breasts on TV and (audible gasp)naughty words on TV.

I'm learning a lot from fellow FReepers. I was wrong and they were right.

Milton Friedman may be dead, but the people he influenced in his 93 years on the planet are still alive. Myself included. That makes him immortal.

"What most people really object to when they object to a free market is that it is so hard for them to shape it to their own will. The market gives people what the people want instead of what other people think they ought to want. At the bottom of many criticisms of the market economy is really lack of belief in freedom itself.
The essence of political freedom is the absence of coercion of one man by his fellow men. The fundamental danger to political freedom is the concentration of power. The existence of a large measure of power in the hands of a relatively few individuals enables them to use it to coerce their fellow men. Preservation of freedom requires either the elimination of power where that is possible, or its dispersal where it cannot be eliminated.
It essentially requires a system of checks and balances, like that explicitly incorporated in our Constitution..."

-- Milton Friedman


95 posted on 12/05/2006 9:36:32 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 ("Life is tough. It's tougher when you're stupid."--John Wayne)
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To: zarf; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; CSM; ...
Bad thing: Nanny state, here we come.

That's right.  The non smokers didn't give a hill of beans about smokers being abused, restricted and controlled.  Now it's 'their' turn to taste the anti's wrath!

High Five!


96 posted on 12/06/2006 1:50:51 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: Smogger
THE ANTI-TOBACCO RECIPE FOR SUCCESS
1. Choose an industry.
2. Regulate the industry.
3. Tax the industry.
4. Sue the industry.
When one source of money dries up, return to Step 1 and repeat.
By S. Phillipe

97 posted on 12/06/2006 1:51:35 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: All


98 posted on 12/06/2006 3:46:40 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: mc5cents

HOME OF THE LAND, FREE OF THE BRAVE


99 posted on 12/06/2006 4:05:49 AM PST by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Good one. The nanny-state is picking up steam.

We told 'em so.


100 posted on 12/06/2006 4:16:29 AM PST by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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