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NASA Schedules Briefing to Announce Significant Find on Mars...
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Posted on 12/05/2006 10:36:33 PM PST by edmond246

NASA hosts a news briefing at 1 p.m. EST, Wednesday, Dec. 6, to present new science results from the Mars Global Surveyor. The briefing will take place in the NASA Headquarters auditorium located at 300 E Street, S.W. in Washington and carried live on NASA Television and www.nasa.gov

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: c2c; georgenoory; mars; marsglobalsurveyor; nasa
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Surface temp on Mars can vary from -133 degrees C to +25 degrees C. If it's really H20, that means it's ice some or most of the time.

http://sciencepark.etacude.com/astronomy/mars.php


51 posted on 12/06/2006 4:53:10 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Spirochete

Well, there's never been a good explanation about how the rover solar panels kept putting out juice and didn't get covered with dust.

Must be all them Martian types with squeegees.

We better send them some quarters pretty soon or the gig is up!!


52 posted on 12/06/2006 4:53:13 AM PST by djf (They have their place. We have our place. They want to turn our place into their place. WAKE UP!!!!!)
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To: Brilliant
What we need is a Genesis Device.
53 posted on 12/06/2006 4:58:57 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: djf

"Well, there's never been a good explanation about how the rover solar panels kept putting out juice and didn't get covered with dust."

I don't know, the theory that the high winds sweep the panels clean works for me.


54 posted on 12/06/2006 5:01:14 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: edmond246

They've found where the other sock goes.


55 posted on 12/06/2006 5:04:02 AM PST by P8riot ("You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone)
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To: djf; RadioAstronomer
He basically said he found lots of evidence of SOME PEOPLE at JPL who's sole purpose in life was to tamper and airbrush photos, and that if we knew the truth, we'd be astounded.

Sooo RA are you one of the SOME PEOPLE? Admit it, the vette was a gift to buy your silence, right? ;)

56 posted on 12/06/2006 5:18:10 AM PST by Joe Miner
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To: edmond246

They discovered that Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids?


57 posted on 12/06/2006 5:38:20 AM PST by LRS
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To: LRS

lol


58 posted on 12/06/2006 5:41:20 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: edmond246

They found Hillary's heart?


59 posted on 12/06/2006 5:42:10 AM PST by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: edmond246

They've finally found a buried Shadow vessel. Who gets to be the sacrificial human?


60 posted on 12/06/2006 5:48:19 AM PST by Truth29
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To: edmond246

61 posted on 12/06/2006 5:50:29 AM PST by StoneGiant (Power without morality is disaster. Morality without power is useless.)
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To: edmond246
I think I know what the significant find is ..... Amelia Earhart.

She was having lunch with Jimmy Hoffa and Judge Crater.

(And the Navy guys from Flight 19 were playing baseball.)

62 posted on 12/06/2006 5:50:49 AM PST by Condor51 (Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)
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To: Renegade

elvis?
obama bin rodham?


63 posted on 12/06/2006 6:12:24 AM PST by wayne_b24 (every day in the Light is a good day...)
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To: Brilliant

Well in my opinion I think the significance would be extraordniary. If we found life on Mars, it would have had to develop totally independent of life on Earth. We could see how our life compares to life on other planets? Or if we come from the same mold, with the same type of structure than we could conclude that life develops the same everywhere, or we were all spawned from the same source.


64 posted on 12/06/2006 6:21:52 AM PST by TerP26
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To: TerP26

What does it matter, though?


65 posted on 12/06/2006 6:36:09 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: TerP26
Well in my opinion I think the significance would be extraordniary. If we found life on Mars, it would have had to develop totally independent of life on Earth.

Not necessarily. Bacteria may by able to survive a meteor impact, and Martian meteors have been found in Antarctica. If life originated on Mars 4 billion years ago, a Martian meteor might have landed on Earth at that time, "seeding" us.

In other words, we all might be descended from Martians :-)

66 posted on 12/06/2006 7:08:31 AM PST by Gunut
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To: Dallas59

Looks like a Terragen image with a lens flare thrown in.


67 posted on 12/06/2006 7:17:21 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: edmond246
If they found something like this...
or this...

it would be significant. Otherwise it's just NASA looking for trillions of dollars of taxpayers' money. Remember the last "life on Mars" scam?

68 posted on 12/06/2006 7:20:05 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: MortMan
They found Hillary's heart?

Nah. They won't find that until they start exploring Pluto.

Mars is too warm.
69 posted on 12/06/2006 7:27:12 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (A liberal is a suicide bomber without the guts)
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To: edmond246


70 posted on 12/06/2006 7:49:00 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (An easy 10-team playoff based on the BCS bowls can be implemented by next year. See my homepage.)
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To: LRS
They discovered that Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids?

In fact it's cold as hell.

71 posted on 12/06/2006 7:56:58 AM PST by AmusedBystander (Republicans - doing the work that Democrats won't do since 1854.)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


72 posted on 12/06/2006 7:58:33 AM PST by kalee (I have taken the pledge... I will no longer read homeschooling or breastfeeding threads on FR.)
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To: edmond246; All

Any sign of gas from Uranus?


73 posted on 12/06/2006 8:20:35 AM PST by olde north church (Hannibal ante portas, the dems don't even ask him to wipe his sandals.)
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To: olde north church

Hey, congratulations! No one beat you to it, and you were post #73! [applause]


74 posted on 12/06/2006 8:22:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; All
Hey, congratulations! No one beat you to it, and you were post #73! [applause]

You applause makes all those years of Mrs. ONC asking me, "What are you, 10?" worth it!

Thanks!

75 posted on 12/06/2006 8:25:35 AM PST by olde north church (Hannibal ante portas, the dems don't even ask him to wipe his sandals.)
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To: olde north church

Chicks.

;')


76 posted on 12/06/2006 8:27:10 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Dallas59; All

A "jon" boat does not have much of a draft. It would be the perfect boat there! ;>)


77 posted on 12/06/2006 8:56:36 AM PST by TMSuchman (American by birth, Rebel by choice, Marine by act of GOD!)
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To: edmond246

According to Hoagland it is water, wet water. Not a pool of water but moist dirt. In any case, this would make a permanent manned base much easier.


78 posted on 12/06/2006 8:59:00 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: edmond246

Now, of course, they will extrapolate the finding of water to the almost certainty of finding life. The NASA people are fond of doing this -- no doubt to create chatter and incease funding. Those who believe in the chance formation of life will grasp at any finding, no matter how small, to trumpet their pet theory. Life is far, far to complicated and information-laden to be an accident. Ask Anthony Flew. He was converted to theism by DNA -- information on a ribbon. He finally came to the realization that information ALWAYS originates in a mind.


79 posted on 12/06/2006 9:12:22 AM PST by Designed
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To: djf
Well, there's never been a good explanation about how the rover solar panels kept putting out juice and didn't get covered with dust.

The explanation is: Winds occasionally blow off the dust accumulations.

80 posted on 12/06/2006 9:28:36 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: edmond246

Where are the clouds?


81 posted on 12/06/2006 9:31:54 AM PST by AndrewC (Duckpond, LLD, JSD (all honorary))
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To: AndrewC
Where are the clouds?

There have been many images of clouds on Mars.





82 posted on 12/06/2006 10:06:13 AM PST by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: edmond246

found the 900 missing Hillary! FBI files?


83 posted on 12/06/2006 10:11:11 AM PST by woollyone (a man self-deceived is twice deceived)
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To: djf

. . . it was the absolute kook fringe groups that

FIRST, earliest

AND MOST ACCURATELY

Described who Hitler was and what he would become and do.


84 posted on 12/06/2006 10:13:44 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Designed
Life is far, far to complicated and information-laden to be an accident.

Your post was good up until this assertion. Why should complexity not be a natural state of nature? Wolfram showed that huge complexity can result from very simple rules. Plato said that harmonies, or resonances would occur in natural process at selected points and not inbetween, and evolution of species wasn't even thought of then. Whitehead said that you can have complexity without diversity, which amounts to the same statement.

That being said, NASA's emphasis on their Search for Life is totally bogus. They need to hire a philosopher.

85 posted on 12/06/2006 10:20:17 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Spirochete
Winds occasionally blow off the dust accumulations.

Art Bell had Jim Bell (Cornell prof, leader of the rovers' pancam team) on a week or so ago, and I was so disappointed
in his contradictory answers to separate, but related questions: Wind blows off the dust, but the atmosphere was
considered too thin to add a microphone to either/both of the rovers, etc.

86 posted on 12/06/2006 10:42:45 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

I heard the interview. It seemed the dust was just as light when it was blown off the panels as it was when the wind put it there in the first place.


87 posted on 12/06/2006 10:45:10 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Calvin Locke

I'm not sure I buy into the wind theory either. I'm almost inclined to think it's some sort of electrostatic effect, where a negative charge is building up and repelling the dust.


88 posted on 12/06/2006 10:56:56 AM PST by djf (They have their place. We have our place. They want to turn our place into their place. WAKE UP!!!!!)
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To: djf
Lots of negative references to Hoagie here. Without getting into a debate on his whole career, I think it is quite relevant to look at his first paper on liquid water on Mars, published 7/19/2000. http://www.enterprisemission.com/press-water.html

See also "Independent Analysis of Stain Distribution Pattern Confirms Key Aspect of Tidal Model of Mars"
http://www.enterprisemission.com/tides2.htm
89 posted on 12/06/2006 10:59:43 AM PST by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: edmond246

I thought that maybe they found my lost socks.


90 posted on 12/06/2006 11:00:50 AM PST by D Rider
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To: burzum

Then what is the big deal?


91 posted on 12/06/2006 11:09:35 AM PST by AndrewC (Duckpond, LLD, JSD (all honorary))
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To: Quix
. . . it was the absolute kook fringe groups that

FIRST, earliest

AND MOST ACCURATELY

Described who Hitler was and what he would become and do.

Yup. But the "kook fringe groups" still have to suffer derision for their apostasy.

Some times they are right, sometimes they absolutely are not.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that NASA "lost" the hi-res video from all lunar landings.

it just strains all credulity to believe that they were that irresponsible. Not even Fedgov is dumb enough to lose the original video of the most important event in human history (besides those regarding Jesus of course).


 

92 posted on 12/06/2006 11:13:59 AM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Thanks for the ping.


93 posted on 12/06/2006 11:22:20 AM PST by GOPJ (Male homosexuality--more dangerous than white bread, transfats, being overweight and SUV's together.)
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To: zeugma

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that NASA "lost" the hi-res video from all lunar landings.

it just strains all credulity to believe that they were that irresponsible. Not even Fedgov is dumb enough to lose the original video of the most important event in human history (besides those regarding Jesus of course).
= = = =

I rather much agree with you.

And, I think there's a better than 50/50 chance that we have bases on the moon, Mars etc. in cohort with an ET group or two. But who but the 'initiated' really knows, save God, ET's etc.?


94 posted on 12/06/2006 12:10:52 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: AndrewC
Those clouds are formed in an atmosphere roughly 0.5% that atmospheric pressure of the Earth's atmosphere. This means they are not a significant volume of water and don't indicate large water formations on the planet. Liquid water cannot exist long on the surface of Mars because it will evaporate or else freeze and sublime due to the low atmospheric pressure. Ice can last a long time under the surface because obviously the pressure exerted on the ice is higher and degassing is more difficult. The same is true for liquid water (though the temperatures obviously must be higher).

What is significant about this discovery is that it is more evidence to confirm the theory that a significant volume of ice or water exists about 50 feet or more underground on Mars. Other pieces of evidence that have supported this conclusion are rampart craters (craters where the debris from a meteor impact fell like slush due to ice and water underground), radar imaging indicating water (especially with the recent radar images from Mars Express), and other older gullies observed. This discovery gives the latter much more credibility since it shows that many of these gullies are probably fairly new formations.

All this by itself is fairly boring (except for the possibility that life could exist in some isolated warm water areas underground). But it has been analyzed a little further and there is strong evidence that there was about 3.5 billion years ago a large northern liquid ocean and that the atmospheric pressure on mars was between 10% and 70% of the Earth's today. This dramatically increases the probability of finding life (extinct or living). It should be noted that about 3 billion years ago the planetary magnetic field on Mars failed which allowed the solar wind to strip the atmosphere (and hence all surface liquid water). If any life survived, it would be in isolated places.
95 posted on 12/06/2006 12:27:56 PM PST by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: burzum
What is significant about this discovery is that it is more evidence to confirm the theory that a significant volume of ice or water exists about 50 feet or more underground on Mars

It still seems to be overly trumpeted.

96 posted on 12/06/2006 1:18:13 PM PST by AndrewC (Duckpond, LLD, JSD (all honorary))
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To: Calvin Locke
... his contradictory answers to separate, but related questions: Wind blows off the dust, but the atmosphere was considered too thin to add a microphone to either/both of the rovers, etc.

The Polar Lander *was* equipped with a microphone :)

97 posted on 12/06/2006 1:52:23 PM PST by Spirochete
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To: burzum
This discovery gives the latter much more credibility since it shows that many of these gullies are probably fairly new formations.

Interesting that the streambeds and gullies have craters in them, meaning that they flowed during moist periods *before* cratering episodes.

OTOH, some gullies and riverbeds cut through small craters, meaning that the craters predate the streams that later cut through them.

98 posted on 12/06/2006 1:59:27 PM PST by Spirochete
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To: Spirochete
Remind me again, was it the weight of the mic, or the wiring that caused it to crash? :)

I vaguely recall listening to Huygens drop to the surface of Titan, too.

99 posted on 12/06/2006 2:03:31 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: potlatch; Las Vegas Dave

Thanks for the ping Dave


100 posted on 12/06/2006 2:50:58 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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