Remains of Apostle Paul May Have Been Found

Associated Press (excerpt) ^ | December 6, 2006

[HAL9000]

Excerpt -

ROME (AP) - Vatican archaeologists have unearthed a sarcophagus believed to contain the remains of the Apostle Paul that had been buried beneath Rome's second largest basilica.

The sarcophagus, which dates back to at least A.D. 390, has been the subject of an extended excavation that began in 2002 and was completed last month, the project's head said this week.

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[what's up]

You will find no scripture supporting the sinlessness and assumption of Mary (as most likely you know).

[FreedomCalls]

The heavenly resurrected body is your present body, only glorified. They are not two numerically distinct bodies, but one and the same body, simply clothed with immortality.

That's the belief system of the ancient Egyptian religion of Isis, Osirus, and Horus -- nothing to do with Christianity.

[Dead Dog]

I am dating my self

You should really try dating other people, now and then.

For Sure, you could get in touch with your inner woman and end up with and inner child. Then you'll have REALLY screwed yourself.

[paulat]

What scripture is there to support that assertation?

There isn't any. It is a Catholic belief.

Just Google "mary assumption scripture" and you will have plenty of information.

[adiaireton8]

That's is part of orthodox Christianity. The two opposite errors are materialism (denial of the soul), and Platonism (also called 'angelism'), which is the denial that our bodies are actual parts of us.

-A8

[paulat]

Pls see #104.

[adiaireton8]

What scripture is there to support that assertation?

There is no Scripture supporting your assumption that all theology be taught formally in Scripture.

-A8

[Mrs. Don-o]

This doctrine of the bodily Assumption of Mary (called the Dormition in the ancient Eastern Christian Church)--- is, like the Bible itself, part of what the Apostles handed down to the Church.

Anyone engaging Catholics or Orthodox on these threads should realize that "where is that in Scripture?" is not the trump card in thes discussions. Keep in mind that neither the original Church nor the Bible itself teaches that the Bible is the sole rule of faith.

The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).

[SuziQ]

Would God have chosen someone unsuitable to be the mother of His Son? We know that Jesus revered His Mother, and Jesus, being the Second Person of the Trinity is part of God, so I'd assume that yes, God revered Mary as well. That doesn't mean that Mary is equal with God, but it does mean that we should revere her, above all other human beings, except for Jesus.

[Dead Dog]

Which part of scripture is this from? I remember my Catholic roommate talking about this, but never new exactly where it came from.

And I mean this as a respectful question.

BTW, I was just at the Vatican two weeks ago. Amazing.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Surely Catholics would not actually say God REVERED (venerated) Mary?"

Well, consider this: Jesus is God, co-equal with the Father. (I think all Christians would defend that statement.)

And Jesus honored Mary. Because Mary was His mother,and the Commandments say "Honor thy father and thy mother."

He certainly didn't worship and adore her, because He is God she is human; a disciple; in her own words, a handmaid.

So: "revere" in the sense of "adore"? No. "Revere" in the sense of "honor"? Yes.

[FreedomCalls]

There is no Scripture supporting your assumption that all theology be taught formally in Scripture.

"Sola Scriptura" - it is the fundamental basis of Protestant faith.

Proverbs 30:5-6
(5) Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
(6) Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

[Ciexyz]

Save me a bone, I need a good luck charm.

[khnyny]

Here you go, you might learn something.

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/maryc3.htm

[FreedomCalls]

See 102.

[what's up]

Would God have chosen someone unsuitable to be the mother of His Son?

God chooses whom He wills. It may not seem "logical" but there you go. God knows better than us.

Some would have considered, for example, that David was unsuitable to carry the line of Christ since he was guilty of adultery and murder. Yet God chose him. David praised God for bestowing grace on him despite his sin; Mary did the same.

[coincheck]

? accelerated decay??:)

[adiaireton8]

The Catholic Church completely affirms that verse, and every verse in the Bible, a Bible which Protestants got from the Catholic Church. But that verse does not teach 'sola scriptura'. We do not add to His words. We simply recognize that many of His words were not written down in Scripture; they were passed down orally from the Apostles to the bishops.

-A8

[adiaireton8]

Mary did the same.

How do you know?

-A8

[SuziQ]

Well, since the Apostles knew her personally, and the youngest one took her in as his Mother when Jesus died, I will defer to THEIR teachings on the matter. They may not have written an Epistle or a letter to one of the outlying communities to that effect, but it was an accepted teaching in the first century of Christianity, and is one of those traditions on which our Faith was founded.