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FYI: Outgoing Santorum votes AGAINST Gates (SecDef Nomination) (mocks 'talking' with Iran)
Washington Post ^ | 12/7/2996 | Washington Post

Posted on 12/07/2006 6:12:52 AM PST by FreedomNeocon

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Overall, 52 Republicans, 42 Democrats and one independent voted for Gates. Three lawmakers _ Sens. Joseph Biden, D-Del., Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Elizabeth Dole, R-N.C. _ did not vote.

Two Bush allies, Sens. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., and Jim Bunning, R-Ky., voted against Gates, citing his criticism of the war and his view that the U.S. should engage Iran as part of a solution.

"Mr. Gates has repeatedly criticized our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan without providing any viable solutions to the problems our troops currently face," Bunning said. "We need a secretary of defense to think forward with solutions and not backward on history we cannot change."

Santorum, who lost his re-election bid last month, mocked the idea of engaging dictators and talked at length of the evils of "radical Islamic fascism." When it comes to reaching out to Iran to discuss the security of Iraq, Santorum said of Gates, "I think he is in error."

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To: Wormwood
But Rick Santorum, regardless of his conservative credentials, has made enough politically suicidal statements that he would be toast in a national campaign.

It looks like that now, but ten years from now he'll look like an oracle. He'll be vindicated.

And since he's a young man, he can capitalize on it, once Americans wake up from this period of silliness.

51 posted on 12/07/2006 7:19:53 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Rick Santorum in 2008, or 2012 or whenever we get serious about Islamofascism.)
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To: RockinRight
If only PA could just give Philly to New Jersey...

No thanks; not even in a swap for Camden, Trenton and Newark!

52 posted on 12/07/2006 7:21:17 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: NeoCaveman
It looks like that now, but ten years from now he'll look like an oracle.

I disagree. Ten years from now he's look like a relic.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

53 posted on 12/07/2006 7:21:24 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata))
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To: Betteboop
Please...we have enough problems....don't want Philly for any reason....and I don't like their cheese steaks, either!!!!!!!

Those are fighting words!

54 posted on 12/07/2006 7:22:30 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata))
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To: outofstyle
Anyone who calls himself a conservative and voted for Casey over Santorum must have rocks in his head. Oughta be ashamed...

Casey is going to toe the liberal 'Rat line when it comes to voting on nominees for the USSC, you watch. He's an empty suit when it comes to being pro-life.

55 posted on 12/07/2006 7:28:51 AM PST by chimera
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Ditto.


56 posted on 12/07/2006 7:29:27 AM PST by khnyny (God Bless the Republic for which it stands)
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To: standingfirm
What was the deep red's problem w/Santorum?

I don't know. They seem to have been mad at the entire GOP and stayed home. If you browse this thread you'll get a sense of their anger at the entire Party:

Hensarling Wins RSC Chair!

57 posted on 12/07/2006 7:29:39 AM PST by Tinian
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To: Wormwood

Ahh, you just don't like what he said about that Supreme Court case.

Well he was right, the Courts by the Nichean ruling have opened the doors to anything goes, and we'll see it soon. Heck polygamists are already talking about using the Texas case in lower courts.


58 posted on 12/07/2006 7:30:30 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Rick Santorum in 2008, or 2012 or whenever we get serious about Islamofascism.)
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To: MadIvan

I wish I could channel Neville Chamberlain and ask him about our chances for a successful outcome if we "engage" with Iran.


59 posted on 12/07/2006 7:32:06 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: NeoCaveman
Ahh, you just don't like what he said about that Supreme Court case.

I believe his statements were politically stupid, regardless of their merit.

I further maintain that he is unelectable by a majority of Americans.

60 posted on 12/07/2006 7:35:50 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata))
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To: Nancee; MadIvan

Mornin' Nancee,

Yes, even if Rick Santorum runs and loses in the primary it will be a precursor for the real run in '12 or '16.

You know I have a theory that McPain_in_the_poopa will lose in the primaries, will run as an Independent, and hand it to the RATS by knocking out the GOP candidate.

However, I still say that the primaries debates will show Rick to be a worthwhile candidate for the next time around.


61 posted on 12/07/2006 7:38:25 AM PST by melancholy
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To: Wormwood
I further maintain that he is unelectable by a majority of Americans.

I agree with that, right now.

I got to believe that intellectual honesty will not always incur the political death penalty, as it does now.

Rick's an odd duck, embracing SocSec reform in a state where it guaranteed him a loss, as its population is so dang old. Just another example of the man's honesty.

62 posted on 12/07/2006 7:39:17 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Rick Santorum in 2008, or 2012 or whenever we get serious about Islamofascism.)
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To: Wormwood
Yet you're a proud Goldwater republican? Well, I'm a proud Santorum republican.

IMHO there will be a disaster coming inolving Gates as Sec. of Defense.

63 posted on 12/07/2006 7:39:23 AM PST by Williams
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To: Wormwood
I further maintain that he is unelectable by a majority of Americans.

This is sadly true. But a primary run in order to keep the party at least somewhat attentive to life/border/security issues wouldn't be all bad.

64 posted on 12/07/2006 7:40:29 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: melancholy
Mornin' to You, too, "melancholy"!

"Yes, even if Rick Santorum runs and loses in the primary it will be a precursor for the real run in '12 or '16."

I like your thinking!

Nancee

65 posted on 12/07/2006 7:41:42 AM PST by Nancee
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To: philsfan24

Would New Jersey take NYC too.


66 posted on 12/07/2006 7:43:44 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell
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To: USS Alaska
So you'd settle for more hillary.

No, you got me confused or I got you confused.

Sorry.

67 posted on 12/07/2006 7:47:22 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: FreedomNeocon; Nancee

A total misunderstanding of the ME thought process:

Negotiator = weak -------> loser

Gates is a loser BEFORE he starts to negotiate. He's supposed to be the rock behind our troops. He comes in with a near-unanimous vote by pleasing everybody.

Last time I checked; you don't win ANY war by pleasing everybody. If everybody is pleased and even calling you victorious you must have lost BIG!


68 posted on 12/07/2006 7:48:14 AM PST by melancholy
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To: FreedomNeocon
I'm really hoping we see more of Rick coming up to 2008... ;)

Us too!!!

69 posted on 12/07/2006 7:49:49 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: chimera
Anyone who calls himself a conservative and voted for Casey over Santorum must have rocks in his head

I agree. I just don't understand it.

70 posted on 12/07/2006 7:50:10 AM PST by outofstyle
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To: melancholy
"Gates is a loser BEFORE he starts to negotiate. He's supposed to be the rock behind our troops. He comes in with a near-unanimous vote by pleasing everybody."

AMEN!!!

Nancee

71 posted on 12/07/2006 7:53:02 AM PST by Nancee
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To: RockinRight

Yep.... Philthydelphia does belong in NJ.


72 posted on 12/07/2006 7:53:10 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Nancee

Then why don't you nudge him a li'l? LOL


73 posted on 12/07/2006 7:53:53 AM PST by melancholy
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To: FreedomNeocon

This really good man should in all fairness be our next President.


74 posted on 12/07/2006 7:54:02 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: FreedomNeocon

Santorum For President!


75 posted on 12/07/2006 7:59:52 AM PST by Gritty (Iran and Syria will stabilize Iraq the way Germany and Russia stabilized Poland in '39 - Ann Coulter)
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To: melancholy
Santorum needs to re-establish a base in his home state. A two term incumbent who lost his Senate seat by 12 points despite having no personal scandal does not augur well for his electability on a national scale.

Santorum was born in Winchester, VA. Pennsylvania may be drifting into the deep blue condition of the other Northeastern states. He might consider re-establishing a career in the state of his birth, which has not yet fully gone over to the dark side.

76 posted on 12/07/2006 8:05:25 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: 3AngelaD
Chamberlain would tell you, don't do it. He learned his lesson, which is why after Hitler broke the Munich agreement, Chamberlain actually took us to war.

The difference between Chamberlain and the Democrats can be thus summarised - one could learn, the other will never learn.

Regards, Ivan

77 posted on 12/07/2006 8:06:56 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: melancholy
"Then why don't you nudge him a li'l? LOL"

Now why didn't I think of that?

Maybe I'll just give him a call and suggest it; what do you think? Or........I could make a trip to Pittsburgh and flat out tell him in person!!

Who knows, maybe I will!

:-)

Nancee

78 posted on 12/07/2006 8:08:00 AM PST by Nancee
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To: Wallace T.
He might consider re-establishing a career in the state of his birth, which has not yet fully gone over to the dark side.

Point well taken.

79 posted on 12/07/2006 8:17:01 AM PST by melancholy
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To: Nancee

:-)


80 posted on 12/07/2006 8:17:55 AM PST by melancholy
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To: Wormwood
No matter. Its not like we would count on people "like you" to get him the nomination anyway. We know what kind of (r)epublican you would be in favor of.

Plus we all know you are a secret 3rd way consensus healing Obama lover anyway... ;)
81 posted on 12/07/2006 8:47:10 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: FreedomNeocon

I wondered who the 2 senators were that voted against Gates......gotta love Santorum.....


82 posted on 12/07/2006 9:06:36 AM PST by little-e (Chloe's mom..)
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To: Wormwood

OK---where, what and when??? Turnpike? Bologna sandwiches? Midnight?


83 posted on 12/07/2006 10:11:17 AM PST by Betteboop
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To: MadIvan

Scaife seems to have given up on conservative causes including his Tribune-Review newspaper. The editorial staff is now a bunch of moderates who are considered conservative by the die-hard union guys and the wild-eyed left wing lunatics at the Putz-Gazette. I think he was embarrassed by the Clintons into withdrawing from his pet causes and turned the paper over to the "journalism school professionals" to run, or maybe he's just old and has given up. He has bought a bunch of dismal little local papers ringing P'burgh and their editorial staffs are more nasty-progressive in the Carville style than if Soros owned them and their editorializing extends to everything in the papers except maybe sports.


84 posted on 12/07/2006 1:41:01 PM PST by penowa
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To: FreedomNeocon

Does anyone have a link to the speech?


85 posted on 12/07/2006 8:30:59 PM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

BUMP!!!


86 posted on 12/08/2006 5:51:47 AM PST by Nancee
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To: ustanker

I am proud of Rick - and Jim Bunning. I don't trust Gates.


87 posted on 12/08/2006 10:34:14 AM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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To: Wormwood

Pat Toomey supported Rick. If conservatives stayed home or supported Casey, shame on them!


88 posted on 12/08/2006 10:36:08 AM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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To: chimera

Casey is not to be trusted on right to life - he told Schumer he will not approve pro life judges.


89 posted on 12/08/2006 10:37:10 AM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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To: Williams

ditto!


90 posted on 12/08/2006 10:40:42 AM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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To: juliej
I knew it. Casey is just another 'Rat liar. Pro-life is just another mask he puts on to get votes of those in his state, probably old-line Catholic Democrats who can find some measure of moral cover by voting for a 'Rat who says he is pro-life. Bunch of lying weasels...
91 posted on 12/08/2006 12:13:24 PM PST by chimera
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To: MadIvan

Santorum was the ONLY politician to spank Hillary on the floor for her support of Alive Birth Abortion and Psychological Health Of The Mother abortions.


92 posted on 12/08/2006 12:16:36 PM PST by Safetgiver (Stinko De mayo, Stinko to the Commies.)
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To: standingfirm

What was the deep red's problem w/Santorum?.... He supported Sphincter instead of Toomey.


93 posted on 12/08/2006 12:19:52 PM PST by Safetgiver (Stinko De mayo, Stinko to the Commies.)
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To: chimera

Read article in Jewsforlife, "Beware of Caseys Bearing Gifts". Little Casey was bought by Schumer.


94 posted on 12/08/2006 12:23:42 PM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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To: Safetgiver

But Toomey campaigned for Rick - that should have been enough to get "conservatives" to vote for him. It is possible that Pennsylvania just plain changed over the past six years.


95 posted on 12/08/2006 12:24:44 PM PST by juliej ( - vote GOP!)
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