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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Thursday December 7th ^ | 12-07-2006

Posted on 12/07/2006 8:49:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie

The Military and The Media

The divide grows

FALLUJAH, IRAQ: I've completed the first leg of the journey to Iraq, after having moved through Dubai, Kuwait and Baghdad. I am now at Camp Fallujah. While in Fallujah, I'll embed with a Marine Police Transition Team (PTT) and also meet with the Civil Affairs Group. The next stop will be Ramadi.

The trip - from my front door to Fallujah - took 3 ½ days, accounting for the 8 hour time shift between the East Coast and Iraq. This is remarkable considering Iraq is a war zone. I spent all of 35 minutes in the Green Zone getting my ID badge and another two hours waiting for a flight to Fallujah. Most of the time was spent waiting at military airbases, trying to catch that next flight out on a plane or helicopter.

During my movement to Fallujah, I was on 3 bases and one camp: At Ali Al Salem (Kuwait), BIAP (Baghdad International Airport), Camp Stryker, and LZ Washington (inside the Green Zone).

The travel is long, and it can be boring if you let it get to you. But you're surrounded by a bunch of soldiers, Marines and contractors that are also traveling, many of them alone. They are either coming back from or going on leave, or moving into or out of the region. Most of them are quite friendly and happy to strike up a conversation. This is an interesting time to speak to them, because they are not as engrossed in the daily grind of Iraq as they are when I see them while I'm embedded. Here is a brief overview of some of the discussions I had with those I met while shuttling around Kuwait and Iraq.

Ali Al Salem:

At the transient tent (where you get to sleep and store your gear while waiting), I spoke to an Explosive Ordinance and Demolitions (EOD) contractor. These are the guys that blow up the leftover explosives and munitions from the Saddam era. He told me about how the media isn't telling the full story about the nature of the enemy, and specifically complained about the manipulation and distortion of the Kay report. He said he's run across bunkers and the equipment and chemical precursors to WMD buried in the deserts of western Iraq.

During a smoke break, an Army private discussed his time in Balad. He said mortars (which are blind-fired) are the greatest threat his unit faces. Not IEDs, I asked? Nope. While waiting to board the flight to BIAP, a Marine Major complained about how the progress in western Iraq has virtually gone unnoticed, and was furious over the characterization of the Devlin report on Anbar province. I gave him my card.


I had the pleasure being the only person on the shuttle bus from BIAP to Camp Stryker, and the driver, an Army specialist, struck up a conversation with me. I needed a SIM chip for my cell phone so I could call the States and in Iraq, so he took me across the base on some extremely bumpy roads looking for a place that sold them. During the drive, he explained his forays into Sadr City, how the residents were largely hostile to U.S. forces, and some engagements he's encountered. Yet he spoke admirably of the Iraqi people. He said they were hard working and willing to fight, and hoped we wouldn't abandon the Iraqi people.

We couldn't find an open store that sold the SIM chip, so he kindly offered to give me his as he knew I was desperate. I paid him for the card and a little extra to call home. He said he'll get a new card tomorrow.

Camp Stryker:

While waiting to catch the flight to the Green Zone, I spoke to two Army captains, one who works in Civil Affairs, the other with the Military Transition Teams. Both explained how the situation could look very different based on your job, but that the Iraqi police and Army were making real progress. They said the Iraqis' skills ranged from poor to excellent, but they always saw improvement.

I also overheard an Army specialist sitting behind me curse the media (and I mean curse), saying they didn't know what they were talking about when it came to Iraq. I talked to him, and explained I'm considered a reporter, and that I won't argue with his points. I made him uncomfortable. Had he known I was 'the press' I think he would have kept it to himself.

LZ Washington:

While waiting to manifest on the flight to Fallujah, CNN played a news segment of President Bush announcing there would be no “graceful exit” from Iraq, and that we'd stay until the mission was complete. Two sergeants in the room cheered. Loudly. They then scoffed at the reports from Baghdad, and jeered the balcony reporting.

In nearly every conversation, the soldiers, Marines and contractors expressed they were upset with the coverage of the war in Iraq in general, and the public perception of the daily situation on the ground. They felt the media was there to sensationalize the news, and several stated some reporters were only interested in “blood and guts.” They freely admitted the obstacles in front of them in Iraq. Most recognized that while we are winning the war on the battlefield, albeit with difficulties in some areas, we are losing the information war. They felt the media had abandoned them.

During each conversation, I was left in the awkward situation of having to explain that while, yes, I am wearing a press badge, I'm not 'one of them.' I used descriptions like 'independent journalist' or 'blogger' in an attempt to separate myself from the pack.

What a terrible situation to be in, having to defend yourself because of your profession. I've always said that the hardest thing about embedding (besides leaving my family) is wearing the badge that says 'PRESS.' That hasn't changed. I hide the badge whenever I can get away with it.

This isn't the first time I encountered this sentiment from the troops. I experienced this attitude from the Marines while I was in western Iraq last year, and the soldiers in the Canadian Army in Afghanistan also expressed frustration with the media's presentation of the war.

Perhaps this tension between the media and the military is nothing new. But it appalls me none the less.

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KEYWORDS: apocalypto; arealconservative; kingoftalkers; rushlimbaugh; talkradio
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To: angcat

I think that would have to be a toss-up. Hillary is pretty bad...

421 posted on 12/07/2006 12:02:21 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Steve Forbes?

422 posted on 12/07/2006 12:02:28 PM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: HonestConservative
All the old folks are shocked, SHOCKED

HA! Probably no clue how much the GOVERNMENT makes off of oil.
423 posted on 12/07/2006 12:02:35 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Sorry soldiers.....your country let you down on November 7.)
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To: rottndog

I don't think even Forbes has the kind of cash Soros has -- at least not that he's willing to lose in order to form a party in his own image.

424 posted on 12/07/2006 12:03:57 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: rottndog

Didn't see that. I don't usually go there.

425 posted on 12/07/2006 12:04:14 PM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: MarkLevinFan

I don't either, but I was bored and went there just to check it out.

Waste of time.

426 posted on 12/07/2006 12:05:39 PM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Too bad the GOP doesn't have someone with Soros-like deep pockets.

You make a good point. How come all we ever hear is how the Republicans are always making legislation that helps the Evil Rich and how there are all of these rich Republicans out there, yet many of the OBSCENELY wealthy and much of Hollywood are Dems WHO YELL ABOUT THE RICH and have no intention of helping out their fellow man?

No false class struggle propaganda there.....
427 posted on 12/07/2006 12:40:16 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Sorry soldiers.....your country let you down on November 7.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Too bad the GOP doesn't have someone with Soros-like deep pockets.

One more comment. You'd think that listening to the false class struggle propaganda that the Republican Party should be flooded over with Soros-like types.
428 posted on 12/07/2006 12:42:00 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Sorry soldiers.....your country let you down on November 7.)
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To: Enterprise

Thanks! I trust Rush liked it, despite the gore?

429 posted on 12/07/2006 12:47:25 PM PST by brigada
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To: Arizona Carolyn

What if WE start something for Rick...I mean, FReepers did bring down Dan Rather, who I passed the other day on 42nd St. looking like a lost soul in his baseball cap.

430 posted on 12/07/2006 1:05:50 PM PST by Miss Didi
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To: Kerretarded

You'd think.... the third party, MSM, in this country has too many people brainwashed otherwise.

431 posted on 12/07/2006 1:07:00 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Miss Didi

Do you think FR could raise $100 million dollars? That's what it's going to take this time thanks to the deep war chest Hillary has accumulated (and no thanks to McCain Feingold).

432 posted on 12/07/2006 1:08:13 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: brigada

I'm pretty sure he liked it. I will see it when it comes out and give you a review if you wish.

433 posted on 12/07/2006 5:36:22 PM PST by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Yes, but I would guess that about 75 million of that must go to fight her negatives and to maintain lawyers that otheres don't need.

So if your a regular non-satanic person, you'd only need half that to be even.

434 posted on 12/07/2006 7:25:53 PM PST by HonestConservative (Snowflake, Levinite and eeevildooer, not necessarily in that order.)
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